EPTbut he didn't have it yet when effort first tried to bust his ramp?
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
but he didn't have it yet when effort first tried to bust his ramp? | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:03 Malinor wrote: I'm just curious since I really have no idea: 3gate speedlot push, shouldn't he get a fast +1 upgrade to make it much more effective or is it just to expensive/ late to get? +1 speedlots would have raped those lings so hard. Well that speed upgrade is a lot faster, so you can find a faster timing without +1. Also, that forge seemed to be put down only after the lings busted the door, for cannons, but I'm not sure. Replay review didnt show that either. Or maybe it was a +1 build, I dont know. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote: Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
164 < total units > 70 59 < units killed > 104 104 < units lost > 59 9090 < minerals > 8898 3192 < gas > 1552 458 < avg apm > 415 536 < top apm > 536 377 < lowest apm > 234 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:05 Trezeguet23 wrote: but he didn't have it yet when effort first tried to bust his ramp? He only got his forge AFTER that point, and then got his +1 way later than that too. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:02 Lann555 wrote: Lol, the only terrans he has beat this year are go.go and Fantasy  Well yeah, but after his tiebreakers he has been playing pretty good, even tho it's been mostly zvz. Effort has regained his confidence. And the game vs Fantasy was actually also pretty good | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Kal can't make one gate play with a super fast +1 and allow Effort to scout this. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:05 Smix wrote: effort < stats > kal 164 < total units > 70 59 < units killed > 104 104 < units lost > 59 9090 < minerals > 8898 3192 < gas > 1552 458 < avg apm > 415 536 < top apm > 536 377 < lowest apm > 234 Thanks for the translation! 536 top APM each, crazy  | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
458 < avg apm > 415 wow nice avg apm even if it was that short game | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote: ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. When did effort get a den? Do you mean "due to the fact effort didnt get a den" I gotta say if I kill your entire base then you killing some ovs isnt that dramatic anyways | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:03 Malinor wrote: I'm just curious since I really have no idea: 3gate speedlot push, shouldn't he get a fast +1 upgrade to make it much more effective or is it just to expensive/ late to get? +1 speedlots would have raped those lings so hard. he probably didn't expect effort to mass lings like that and was planning to lay down a forge shortly... but effort's mass lings broke his ramp and forced kal to spend his minerals on zealots instead of a forge. it's an interesting game because if effort hadn't massed lings like that, he probably would've missed his sunken timing due to not expecting early speedlots. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:03 Malinor wrote: I'm just curious since I really have no idea: 3gate speedlot push, shouldn't he get a fast +1 upgrade to make it much more effective or is it just to expensive/ late to get? +1 speedlots would have raped those lings so hard. Its pretty useless because the timing is delayed so much that the zerg can get mutas at that point and steam roll the zeals. Kal''s build is all in, and it relies on the zerg making too much defence vs Dts/sairs/reavers by guessing wrong, then zerg gets steamrolled by extremely quick speedlots. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote: ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:05 SuperArc wrote: the forge was made just when Effort's OL died. Kal can't make one gate play with a super fast +1 and allow Effort to scout this. I believe that's wrong, the forge came way later. Also he had 3 gates going before he started his forge either way. +1 finished really really late. Therefore I find this build very strange. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:05 samachking wrote: No it was not allin, and have you ever played a ZvP vs 1base? If they do something aggressive and you didn't cancel your third base for whatever reason, you need to make a lot of Zerglings because you can't get enough sunkens to defend both bases. 11 drones is more than enough to support overlords and Zerglings off 3 hatcheries, and after the immediate threat is gone you can get some more drones and tech. ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. It seems like you're just trying to theorycraft without having any idea on what Zerg has to do vs 1 base protoss if they took a third base. He couldn't get any more drones without dying right away, that's not an allin, he made as many as he needed to. Immediately after the Zealot attack wasn't an immediate threat, he made like 5 drones and mutas, which was more than enough to put him in the winning position. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:05 SuperArc wrote: the forge was made just when Effort's OL died. Kal can't make one gate play with a super fast +1 and allow Effort to scout this. He could have just put it next to the citadel | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On May 14 2010 19:06 FyRe_DragOn wrote: kal sat in his natural too long after he moved down his ramp..i think if he moved ou right away he could have won with that timing attack. donno wtf he was thinking, he just allowed effort more time and harassing opportunities Yeah one of the huge disadvantages of 1 base play is you really can't scout how much he's spending on econ/tech/units. You have to guess multiple times early on in the game and getting a single one wrong means you lose. | ||
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