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On May 14 2010 19:07 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19:03 Malinor wrote:
I'm just curious since I really have no idea: 3gate speedlot push, shouldn't he get a fast +1 upgrade to make it much more effective or is it just to expensive/ late to get? +1 speedlots would have raped those lings so hard. Its pretty useless because the timing is delayed so much that the zerg can get mutas at that point and steam roll the zeals. Kal''s build is all in, and it relies on the zerg making too much defence vs Dts/sairs/reavers by guessing wrong, then zerg gets steamrolled by extremely quick speedlots.
That sounds reasonable, thanks 
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On May 14 2010 19:07 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. When did effort get a den? Do you mean "due to the fact effort didnt get a den" I gotta say if I kill your entire base then you killing some ovs isnt that dramatic anyways
He won't kill Kal that easily if he did not go down ramp though, it was Kal's mess up and Effort followed up well. If Kal did not go down ramp and kept the zeals up ramp those speedlings wouldn't be too effective.
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On May 14 2010 19:07 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19:05 SuperArc wrote:
the forge was made just when Effort's OL died.
Kal can't make one gate play with a super fast +1 and allow Effort to scout this. I believe that's wrong, the forge came way later. Also he had 3 gates going before he started his forge either way. +1 finished really really late. Therefore I find this build very strange.
I think he opted to spend gas first on the legs then on the plus one. Also, he didn't have any probes on gas for long periods of the early game.
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On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.
It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........
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Such a silly game.  Hoping for epic 1 hour games alá Stork vs Gorush (or vs GGplay) now. My favourite type of PvZ.
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Kal not going to 1base this game : 3
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oh god that dude's teeth are creepy
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Kal at top right, Effort in bottom left. Forge FE opening from Kal, pool first from Effort.
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On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both. It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........
yeah, well Effort had to do some damage with the speedlings tho
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On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both. It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........
You serious? Did you see his drone count?
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oh kal what with the retarded scouting path
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On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both. It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........
no kidding, Effort could have just massed the lings and used them as defense or ran them by when Kal pushed out with his zealot force meanwhile still teching to muta. It wasn't all in by any means.
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kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings
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On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:10 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 19 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?
So sexy ling bust!! That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed. Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd. Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin. ... Seriously? ? Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too. Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both. It wasn't allin at all by Effort ......... You serious? Did you see his drone count?
Read my 2 paragraph post from a few pages ago? O_O Have you tried ZvPing while trying to saturate 3 bases vs 1 base and have you actually lived too? Really hate l2p arguments but yeah, l2p...
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On May 14 2010 19:12 Crunchums wrote:
kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings
That's debatable.
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On May 14 2010 19:12 Crunchums wrote:
kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings
and by gets away with i mean loses a bunch of probes because of : X
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effort with 4 lings, kal gets a gateway and a cannon, and positions 3 probes at the choke.
effort's lings back off.
6 lings now, and they try to attack, 3 make it past the cannon, and are held of by probes. kal lost 4 probes or so. last ling still running around.
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EPT
