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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
May 14 2010 10:08 GMT
#321
On May 14 2010 19:07 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:03 Malinor wrote:
I'm just curious since I really have no idea: 3gate speedlot push, shouldn't he get a fast +1 upgrade to make it much more effective or is it just to expensive/ late to get? +1 speedlots would have raped those lings so hard.


Its pretty useless because the timing is delayed so much that the zerg can get mutas at that point and steam roll the zeals. Kal''s build is all in, and it relies on the zerg making too much defence vs Dts/sairs/reavers by guessing wrong, then zerg gets steamrolled by extremely quick speedlots.


That sounds reasonable, thanks
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#322
On May 14 2010 19:07 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.


When did effort get a den?
Do you mean "due to the fact effort didnt get a den"

I gotta say if I kill your entire base then you killing some ovs isnt that dramatic anyways


He won't kill Kal that easily if he did not go down ramp though, it was Kal's mess up and Effort followed up well. If Kal did not go down ramp and kept the zeals up ramp those speedlings wouldn't be too effective.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#323
On May 14 2010 19:07 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:05 SuperArc wrote:
the forge was made just when Effort's OL died.

Kal can't make one gate play with a super fast +1 and allow Effort to scout this.


I believe that's wrong, the forge came way later. Also he had 3 gates going before he started his forge either way. +1 finished really really late. Therefore I find this build very strange.

I think he opted to spend gas first on the legs then on the plus one. Also, he didn't have any probes on gas for long periods of the early game.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#324
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.

Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.

It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#325
Such a silly game. Hoping for epic 1 hour games alá Stork vs Gorush (or vs GGplay) now. My favourite type of PvZ.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 14 2010 10:09 GMT
#326
Kal not going to 1base this game : 3
brood war for life, brood war forever
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#327
oh god that dude's teeth are creepy
brood war for life, brood war forever
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#328
Kal at top right, Effort in bottom left. Forge FE opening from Kal, pool first from Effort.
BW fighting!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#329
On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.

Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.

It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........


yeah, well Effort had to do some damage with the speedlings tho
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#330
On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.

Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.

It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........

You serious? Did you see his drone count?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#331
oh kal what with the retarded scouting path
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#332
On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.

Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.

It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........

no kidding, Effort could have just massed the lings and used them as defense or ran them by when Kal pushed out with his zealot force meanwhile still teching to muta. It wasn't all in by any means.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 10:11 GMT
#333
kal FFE.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#334
kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings
brood war for life, brood war forever
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#335
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:10 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 19:09 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:07 SuperArc wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:05 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On May 14 2010 19 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              14 2010 19      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 samachking wrote:
On May 14 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote:
WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY SO GOOD, Effort?

So sexy ling bust!!


That wasnt so good, Effort flipped a coin and got it right, he was going 3hat speedling all in, and if Kal waited before going down ramp Effort would've been crushed.

Oh well, all in all he could do at that point after taking a 3rd.


Yes, when you're on 3 bases and your opponent is on 1, making a lot of speedlings is definitely considered an allin.

...

Seriously?


?
Effort had 11 drones on minerals that game, and it was all in because if Kal got a sair he would've sniped 3-4 ovies due to the fact that Effort got a den. He wouldn't be able to defend both his nat and his 3rd too.

Kal didn't have much more probes than Effort had drones. It was all-in from both.

It wasn't allin at all by Effort .........

You serious? Did you see his drone count?

Read my 2 paragraph post from a few pages ago? O_O Have you tried ZvPing while trying to saturate 3 bases vs 1 base and have you actually lived too? Really hate l2p arguments but yeah, l2p...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#336
lings doing good haras
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#337
On May 14 2010 19:12 Crunchums wrote:
kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings

That's debatable.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#338
wtf is wrong with kal
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#339
On May 14 2010 19:12 Crunchums wrote:
kal gets away with 1 cannon vs 6 lings

and by gets away with i mean loses a bunch of probes because of : X
brood war for life, brood war forever
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 10:12 GMT
#340
effort with 4 lings, kal gets a gateway and a cannon, and positions 3 probes at the choke.

effort's lings back off.

6 lings now, and they try to attack, 3 make it past the cannon, and are held of by probes. kal lost 4 probes or so. last ling still running around.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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