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On April 29 2010 19:40 darktreb wrote:
Anyone who says Flash didn't outplay MVP before BCs is blinded by Flash-hate (or MVP-love, haha).
Flash secured both double gases for a significant period of time and was way ahead in resources. Don't say "MVP planned the BC switch better" because he didn't (both sides ended up with more than enough time to max out in BCs).
What MVP did better was elect to sacrifice supply for more BCs. But had Flash elected to match MVP's sacrificing of supply (and not mis-micro), he wins this game, in part because of the significant amount of extra money he mined from outplaying MVP big time in the mid game.
I'll watch the game again but from what I've seen (like 60% watching the game), I almost completely disagree with this analysis.
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Free tries to block his ramp with a zealot, but fails--though he delays long enough for the dragoon to stop the SCV.
Hiya going 1fact CC.
Free still hasn't taken his expansion, but is getting goon range.
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So this was the first game right, MVP is up 1-0? No problem for Flash then, this was just a error.
Can someone who saw the game entire explain to me how MVP did that? THe last I saw it looked like flash had more BC and that he got of EMPs while MVP did not. Then all of a sudden, flash has 0 BC and MVP a shitload? What happend?
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Oh what it's a bo5, i thought it was a bo3 i was getting worried for a second, dw guys flash will rape next week
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On April 29 2010 19:39 fallingdream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 19:35 SuperArc wrote:On April 29 2010 19:34 fallingdream wrote:On April 29 2010 19:32 Harem wrote:On April 29 2010 19:30 okum wrote:
Iris vs Flash in GOM, anyone? Iris didn't win in the lategame through outplaying Flash. MVP did. Two completely different things as Iris's one win was a proxy 2fac build. MVP outplayed Flash? Are you on crack? He spammed more BC's than Flash, bigger number of BC's > smaller number of BC's. How do you outplay someone by having a bigger number of BC's? Fail logic is fail. True, Flash never won a single game you know. He just spammed more shit than other players. Bigger number of units > smaller number of units. Nice logic! Where the strategic and tactical depth in pressing the battlecruiser icon from the starport? ERM FUCK YEAAAH MVP, roflmao can't stop loling. By the looks of it, the Flash anti fans are coming out of the walls! Have your happy day  you guys deserve it after so many many many many many, you the the point ya? many many days of qqing.
It's post like these from kt/flash fans that feed the anti Flash trolls. Flash lost. Period. He lost because MVP outsmarted him in the end, by freeing supply and going mass BC.
I am confident Flash will not lose 2 more games to MVP. We will get our revenge when the rest of the series pans out. MVP will have to pull alot more to beat Flash again, because Flash doesn't lose to the same thing twice.
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On April 29 2010 19:43 Withershins wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 19:41 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, it's amazing to see how much discussion that ensues after Flash just loses a game. XD Flash fans tend to be head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to fanboyism for some reason.
All fanboyism is the same, it's just that right now Flash has more vocal fans because he's doing so well right now
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free getting goon range
one goon hitting the depot wall
hiya getting an ebay
free taking his nat
a zealot joins the fun at the depot wall, but a rine and tank with 2 scvs repairing drive them away
robo for free
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On April 29 2010 19:42 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 19:40 darktreb wrote:
Anyone who says Flash didn't outplay MVP before BCs is blinded by Flash-hate (or MVP-love, haha).
Flash secured both double gases for a significant period of time and was way ahead in resources. Don't say "MVP planned the BC switch better" because he didn't - what he did better was elect to sacrifice supply for more BCs. But had Flash elected to match MVP's sacrificing of supply (and not mis-micro), he wins this game, in part because of the significant amount of extra money he mined from outplaying MVP big time in the mid game. Flash never mined the 7.5 double gas for a significant period of time.
You're right, but he mined his double gas for a lot longer than MVP did up until the BC confrontation. This evened up after MVP won the BC fight but Flash still got more minerals from it (and I'm pretty sure Flash mined more minerals overall by a decent amount, seeing as how MVP still had parts of both his min-onlys left in the end).
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Hiya adding a turret at his wall and floats his CC to his nat
Free getting his 2nd gate
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On April 29 2010 19:43 Withershins wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 19:41 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, it's amazing to see how much discussion that ensues after Flash just loses a game. XD Flash fans tend to be head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to fanboyism for some reason.
Flash fanboys sound exactly the same as Jaedong fanboys so that's definitely not true.
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On April 29 2010 19:41 Plexa wrote:
MVP's recent wins have been pretty sketchy. He's the kind of player that is having a really lucky streak at the moment and will fail hard next season. Backho made a semifinal, anything can happen in BW.
I'm not saying MVP is great and that it's not a random streak or anything. But this game was extremely good TvT gameplay to me. On par with the S-class TvTers, that is.
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On April 29 2010 19:38 Withershins wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2010 19:34 moopie wrote:On April 29 2010 19:33 Plexa wrote:On April 29 2010 19:30 GTR wrote:On April 29 2010 19:29 Plexa wrote:On April 29 2010 19:27 radadaundandan wrote:
This is BO3 right? Flash maybe can make some comeback. Bo5 Nevertheless, after that game I'm convinced Flash will win the next 3 with ease either way it's amazing to see someone who was 'crappy' like mvp take a game off flash M18M beat flash, big deal lol @Pop Just take a look at Flash's recent TvTs and compare them to this one, also look at MVPs recent TvTs and compare them to this one. Flash basically outplayed MVP from the looks of it, except for when he lost his bcs - MVP has had a good run with them lately heh. M18M beat flash with a cheesy DT all-in that caught him unprepared. MVP actually beat him in a drawn-out game. All in? How is it all in when M18M had 3 bases?
2 base. the 3rd base only came after his dt rush was a success, and flash took heavy losses. had it failed, it would have been game right there.
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Hiya actually building plenty of turrets - around the perimeter of his base and beside his main cc
free getting obs first, no danger
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Both players getting their expansions online at roughly equal times.
The denied SCV scout is forcing Hiya to build lots of turrets, but Free is playing a very safe and standard style.
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Wow Hiya is playing very safe.
Lots of turrets.
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lol Hiya spamming turrets
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free's 2nd gas is up and running - citadel starts for him
2nd factory for hiya
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standard game so far
arbiter tech for free i guess
hiya starts an armory
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hiya starts his armory - both players hanging back
first observer out for free and heads down
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