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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#521
On April 29 2010 19:40 darktreb wrote:
Anyone who says Flash didn't outplay MVP before BCs is blinded by Flash-hate (or MVP-love, haha).

Flash secured both double gases for a significant period of time and was way ahead in resources. Don't say "MVP planned the BC switch better" because he didn't - what he did better was elect to sacrifice supply for more BCs. But had Flash elected to match MVP's sacrificing of supply (and not mis-micro), he wins this game, in part because of the significant amount of extra money he mined from outplaying MVP big time in the mid game.

Flash never mined the 7.5 double gas for a significant period of time.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4751 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#522
Funny how I basically disagree with nearly everything Plexa writes ever

Besides that I still believe Flash is going to win this series. But MVP's momentum is really strong right now, he is dangerous. I believe it will go to game 5.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8067 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#523
Free v Hiya is actually a match up where I don't know who to root for. I like both players pretty evenly. Hoping for a GG either way
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#524
Hiya starts a wall by his ramp with depot/rax, starts his gas.
Free with one gate core, his gas finishes.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#525
ok this is getting lame, mvp was the better player today. impossible to argue that so lets mvoe to the next one.
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#526
I miss the times when Jaedong was the sole subject of this much forum drama.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 29 2010 10:42 GMT
#527
Crossmap TvP on Fighting Spirit. Luckily for Hiya, free isn't 12nexing.
. . . nevermore
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#528
On April 29 2010 19:41 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:38 PoP wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:33 Plexa wrote:
@Pop
Just take a look at Flash's recent TvTs and compare them to this one, also look at MVPs recent TvTs and compare them to this one. Flash basically outplayed MVP from the looks of it, except for when he lost his bcs


I disagree with this. Although I didn't follow the game closely due to being at work, I thought the game was "at least" even until that BC fight. I was actually thinking MVP was slightly ahead economically the whole time and started his BCs at the absolute perfect timing.

He basically outplayed Flash this game imo. Slightly, but still, this is no fluke or luck or anything. I haven't seen many of MVP's last TvT's, but seeing that game after learning he beat Baby last time is quite enough to convince me he's genuinely good at the matchup. Lately, at least.

MVP's recent wins have been pretty sketchy. He's the kind of player that is having a really lucky streak at the moment and will fail hard next season. Backho made a semifinal, anything can happen in BW.

Ehh, Backho made a semifinal cause his PvP is actually pretty legit. MVP's recent play in TvT has been pretty legit, so who knows.
God Bless
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#529
When Flash loses a game, anti-fans all over the world orgasm.
fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#530
On April 29 2010 19:40 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:39 fallingdream wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:35 SuperArc wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:34 fallingdream wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:32 Harem wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:30 okum wrote:
Iris vs Flash in GOM, anyone?

Iris didn't win in the lategame through outplaying Flash.

MVP did.

Two completely different things as Iris's one win was a proxy 2fac build.


MVP outplayed Flash? Are you on crack? He spammed more BC's than Flash, bigger number of BC's > smaller number of BC's. How do you outplay someone by having a bigger number of BC's? Fail logic is fail.


True, Flash never won a single game you know. He just spammed more shit than other players. Bigger number of units > smaller number of units.

Nice logic!


Where the strategic and tactical depth in pressing the battlecruiser icon from the starport? ERM FUCK YEAAAH MVP, roflmao can't stop loling.

By the looks of it, the Flash anti fans are coming out of the walls! Have your happy day you guys deserve it after so many many many many many, you the the point ya? many many days of qqing.


Angry Flash fan is angry.


Happy Flash anti fan is happy <3.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#531
oh flash lost. what a surprise. oh well, MVPs gonna get raped silly next week anyway.
Woo Jung Ho
Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#532
On April 29 2010 19:41 Holgerius wrote:
Lol, it's amazing to see how much discussion that ensues after Flash just loses a game. XD


Flash fans tend to be head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to fanboyism for some reason.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 10:46:54
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#533
On April 29 2010 19:38 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:33 Plexa wrote:
@Pop
Just take a look at Flash's recent TvTs and compare them to this one, also look at MVPs recent TvTs and compare them to this one. Flash basically outplayed MVP from the looks of it, except for when he lost his bcs


I was actually thinking MVP was slightly ahead economically the whole time and started his BCs at the absolute perfect timing.


What? Flash took each base faster (with the exception of his natural which he was 5 seconds slower on), blocked MVP's double gas for a significant period of time, and also blocked MVP's second min-only (the one at 2 o'clock) for a long time with Tanks.

MVP outplayed Flash overall but he absolutely was not ahead economically (at the time of the BC switching) in any way, I don't see how that's even borderline arguable.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8914 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#534
get over it guys
we have 3 more matches to discuss!
come'on pretty[gm] dont let me down
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 29 2010 10:43 GMT
#535
Almost 10 pages of discussion just because Flash drops a game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 29 2010 10:44 GMT
#536
White guy talking to an asian girl.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
April 29 2010 10:44 GMT
#537
On April 29 2010 19:34 fallingdream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:32 Harem wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:30 okum wrote:
Iris vs Flash in GOM, anyone?

Iris didn't win in the lategame through outplaying Flash.

MVP did.

Two completely different things as Iris's one win was a proxy 2fac build.


MVP outplayed Flash? Are you on crack? He spammed more BC's than Flash, bigger number of BC's > smaller number of BC's. How do you outplay someone by having a bigger number of BC's? Fail logic is fail.

This isn't 4chan. People don't tend to last here long while posting like that fyi.

Just some helpful advice.

And saying MVP won only because he can press the B key? May want to actually play SC or ask Flash because im sure that he doesn't feel the same way.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 10:44 GMT
#538
free with a zealot on his ramp as Hiy'a scv comes - it's able to get through but is finished off by an emerging goon

hiya finishes his ramp wall and his factory, one machine shop being added

a CC being built in the main
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 29 2010 10:44 GMT
#539
On April 29 2010 19:43 fallingdream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:40 tomatriedes wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:39 fallingdream wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:35 SuperArc wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:34 fallingdream wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:32 Harem wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:30 okum wrote:
Iris vs Flash in GOM, anyone?

Iris didn't win in the lategame through outplaying Flash.

MVP did.

Two completely different things as Iris's one win was a proxy 2fac build.


MVP outplayed Flash? Are you on crack? He spammed more BC's than Flash, bigger number of BC's > smaller number of BC's. How do you outplay someone by having a bigger number of BC's? Fail logic is fail.


True, Flash never won a single game you know. He just spammed more shit than other players. Bigger number of units > smaller number of units.

Nice logic!


Where the strategic and tactical depth in pressing the battlecruiser icon from the starport? ERM FUCK YEAAAH MVP, roflmao can't stop loling.

By the looks of it, the Flash anti fans are coming out of the walls! Have your happy day you guys deserve it after so many many many many many, you the the point ya? many many days of qqing.


Angry Flash fan is angry.


Happy Flash anti fan is happy <3.


Not unless he loses the series.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 29 2010 10:44 GMT
#540
On April 29 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote:
Its kinda annoying that every time i see flash going BC vs other BC's he loses, it looks close but he never sacs enough units to make enough bc's and gets rolled, hopefully he can take a look at improve it like he normally does


Timing also. MVP went BCs earlier and built more starports.
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