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meeple
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/keit/Proleague0910.jpg) Banner By keit January 19th, 18:30 KST: Channel OGN ![[image loading]](http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2751/lineupc.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/76.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/MystLord/SC%20Map%20Pics/199.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/539.jpg)  Calm < New Heartbreak Ridge>  Violet ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/68.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2164/266sin20tornadothumbnai.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/190.jpg)  Hwasin < New Tornado > Luxury![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/84.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/MystLord/SC%20Map%20Pics/235.jpg ) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/32.jpg) Kal < Match Point > HoeJJa![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/82.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/MystLord/SC%20Map%20Pics/239.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/424.jpg) hero < Neo Moon Glaive > Flash![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/noimage.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/8orion8/237_thumbnail.jpg) Closer < Fighting Spirit > ![[image loading]](http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/264/predictions.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2478/resultsz.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7209/recommendedgames.jpg) + Show Spoiler + Kal vs Hoejja was awesome How to watch Channel: OGN http://ogn.ferron.pe Post a stream and I'll probably add it http://www.livestream.com/hanbang - Thanks Deus ex! http://tv.zeroboy.net/roffles - Thanks Roffles | ||
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meeple
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Poll: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): STX (Vote): KT Rolster Poll: Match of the night? (Vote): Calm vs Violet (Vote): Hwasin vs Luxury (Vote): Kal vs Hoejja (Vote): hero vs Flash | ||
Womwomwom
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As for Game 3, unless Kal somehow gets himself into a really, really awful slump due to Jaedong wrecking him in the MSL, Hoejja is simply going to get wrecked. | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
Hoping for ACE match. Go KT! 3-2 | ||
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White_Raven
Australia178 Posts
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meeple
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On January 19 2010 17:11 saikeraku wrote: Lol that's Crazy-Hydra's pic for Violet. Hoping for ACE match. Go KT! 3-2 Bahh... no its not | ||
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Black Gun
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 17:41 Black Gun wrote: 3-0 stx. Pretty much | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Will you stop fucking playing HoeJJa already? Put Stats in there instead FFS. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
but if kt take it to game 4 then kt can win | ||
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TheBB
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Xxio
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
For example: http://www.livestream.com/hanbang ->> http://c.zeroboy.net/hanbang Voilla | ||
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Roffles
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TheBB
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:18 TheBB wrote: Or if you want chat but still black, then replace c with tv. Indeed. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
 .STX FIGHTNG!~ | ||
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radadaundandan
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:21 radadaundandan wrote: Well hogil vs bisu would be nice. If you enjoy one sided rapes. | ||
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diskborste
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Roffles
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Aesop
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meegrean
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:30 meegrean wrote: KT just needs to win one game out of the first 3 games. It can be like how Jaedong OZ wins xD. | ||
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GTR
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Next week. | ||
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Badjas
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Calm spawns in a lovely white color at 9 Violet spawns in a nasty yellow color at 3 | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
Violet Yellow Toss at 3 | ||
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exeprime
United Kingdom643 Posts
Even if that happens, I'm pretty sure Calm (or Kal) can win at least 1/4 games against flash, and giving Hero a 5% winning chance... there's still 30% for STX to win :D | ||
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Roffles
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BloodDrunK
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:38 BloodDrunK wrote: cross positions usually mean violet wins.let's see what happens. 2 player map | ||
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writer22816
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meeple
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Womwomwom
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radadaundandan
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Roffles
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:38 Roffles wrote: Calm scouting in the right direction, looks like he wants to overpool instead of 12 hatch. On January 19 2010 18:38 BloodDrunK wrote: cross positions usually mean violet wins.let's see what happens. HELP HELP I'M BEING TROLLED | ||
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Roffles
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Megalisk
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NguN
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Roffles
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:41 Roffles wrote: Cybernetics core being erected for Violet. Hydra den for Calm. Hydra den. Looks like three hatch hydr abust. Lol erected..anyways Calm is still droning quite a bit...uber timing hydra bust coming? K now hydra pump begins.. | ||
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meeple
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Roffles
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
"please forgive this unfilial son" | ||
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meeple
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Roffles
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Megalisk
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Black Gun
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meegrean
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domane
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
We did enjoy the one side rape. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [hite vs SKT] + I WAS SO FUCKING WRONG..Poor bisu lolol | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:45 meegrean wrote: what's with all the 3 hatch hydras nowadays? Its easy to execute and protoss love cutting corners? | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:45 meegrean wrote: what's with all the 3 hatch hydras nowadays? kills sair/reaver before reaver's out | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Oh hell, we're screwed. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:48 writer22816 wrote: what the? support every KT except lux?Die Lux | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:46 Megalisk wrote: + Show Spoiler [hite vs SKT] + I WAS SO FUCKING WRONG..Poor bisu lolol + Show Spoiler + No you were not pretty much that happened . Bisu got raped  | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:51 raga4ka wrote: + Show Spoiler + No you were not pretty much that happened . Bisu got raped + Show Spoiler [hite vs SKT] + Hehe ya'll knew what I meant when i said one-sided rape | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Hwasin in Yellow at 7 Lux in some nasty color at 4 | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
LUX PURPLE ZERG AT 4 EDIT:Darn beat me again roffles... | ||
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blue_arrow
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everytime violet wins bisu wins, everytime bisu loses violet loses, they both play with a similar style too... they even lost in a similar manner today it's like bisu's awesomeness was halved into two entities with niether part playing well lol i'm drunk | ||
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Roffles
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
lux at 4 | ||
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Womwomwom
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hwasin's feared 2 rax before depot in the middle of the map proxy that Lux won't scout. | ||
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BloodDrunK
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
Big, cheesey plans | ||
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SuperArc
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Roffles
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:54 Roffles wrote: Oh shit, it looks like center raxes for Hwasin. BBS incominggggggg. Overlord in Hwasins main..knows there must be a proxy.. But can lux stop it? | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Rines incoming. 6 Drones pulled. No additional SCVs coming for Hwasin... Just 2... :/ Pool up for Lux. WTF that bunker is so far away.. LUX takes down 3 rines at the cost of a lot of Drones OMG BUNKER FINISHES! LUX NOT ENGAGING AND RUNNING BY! | ||
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GTR
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
HWASIN TAKING DOWN THE NATURAL HATCHERY! HWASIN NOT MINING! | ||
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Megalisk
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
All of Lux's lings go down... GG from Lux. | ||
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Chen
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okum
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I guess he was just panicking? | ||
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Roffles
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BloodDrunK
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
CLOSE SHIT HWASIN >.> | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
 We were robbed of a decent game | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:57 Roffles wrote: How was that sick? He lost too many rines IMOSICK marine micro from Hwasin. Sick shit. | ||
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blue_arrow
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Waxangel
United States33252 Posts
Of course the ideal micro is to cut all the marines with drones without losing any, but it was already past that stage it seemed / | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:58 TheYango wrote: LOL WHAT IS THIS CHEESEFEST OF A NIGHT kal reverse simcity hoejja | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH | ||
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BloodDrunK
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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GTR
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On January 19 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote: Hwasin seriously has had the best marine micro in the last five years? casy =] | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
 I'm kinda torn, as if Kal beats Hoejja we wont see Flash dominate hero... oh well, 3-0 gogo | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
if u go 12 hatch u are fucked u go 9 pool u are soo behind... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:58 SuperArc wrote: Hwasin seriously has had the best marine micro in the last five years? Flash. | ||
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:59 El Resplandor wrote: lol tvz.. if u go 12 hatch u are fucked u go 9 pool u are soo behind... over pool | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
u are still behind if they play standard... | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
(btw tx for the awesome stream Roffles! Im completely lag free tonight which makes no technical sense...) | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:58 domane wrote: How was that sick? He lost too many rines IMO wait what? are you blind? you're saying losing 2 marines out of 5 vs 12 drones is too many? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:59 El Resplandor wrote: lol tvz.. if u go 12 hatch u are fucked u go 9 pool u are soo behind... 9pool speed prevents rax cc and scouting. Best build imo. | ||
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Womwomwom
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On January 19 2010 19:02 Xxio wrote: Why did Lux. send his lings away? the bunker wasn't close enough to hit the hatch...should have just made a sunken and defended Because Lux is a dumbass. You literally don't need any other explanation. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Violet just took a gamble that didn't pay off. Dual stargate is bad news when your opponent is doing a super fast hydra/ling break, and his zealots were way off on the other side of the map, "pressuring" Calm. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On January 19 2010 18:59 Megalisk wrote: Looks like KT.Practice....Didn't Practice enough.. YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Buahahahahaha Anyway. Now it's KTRoster. | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:02 SuperArc wrote: 9pool speed prevents rax cc and scouting. Best build imo. a good T will add cc before scout, he finds ur 9 pool then he just block ramp with 2 scv 4 rines makes cc at main (with u guessing if he is going for 2 rax aca or the cc) or he finds ur pool speed, goes 2 rax aca into expa and the z still has to add 2-3 sunks with a bad eco to stop any break, from there u are still behind as z imo 9 pool followup is a pain | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:02 SuperArc wrote: 9pool speed prevents rax cc and scouting. Best build imo. Doesn't really prevent 1 Fax FE, T will just make in his main and be ahead by a mile. | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:07 Holgerius wrote: Doesn't really prevent 1 Fax FE, T will just make in his main and be ahead by a mile. yup oh and let's not even count 9 pool vs mech = autolose | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: Buahahahahaha Anyway. Now it's KTRoster. KT.Practice was the name Lux was using | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:02 Chen wrote: Remember that space between the in-progress bunker and the land?wait what? are you blind? you're saying losing 2 marines out of 5 vs 12 drones is too many? I think if Hwasin hadn't moved back too far, he could have used that choke. | ||
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: Buahahahahaha Anyway. Now it's KTRoster. ROFL. KT.Practice is Lux's other id. | ||
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meeple
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
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Megalisk
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Yeah, kinda fail coming from KT fan :| | ||
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United States2250 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:14 gaizka wrote: What's the name of the song in roffle's stream right now? To Zanarkand. From Final Fantasy 10. | ||
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Australia1735 Posts
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
. At least it's not 815. | ||
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
ty | ||
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
hoejja at 7 | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Nobuo Uematsu FTW! | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:15 Khul Sadukar wrote: Kal looks different today. He might play standard o.o I think he got a haircut..? | ||
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Chen
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Roffles
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Hoejja looking to take 11 oclock gas expo. | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
u guys miss half of the game by coming every second to post here lol | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:20 El Resplandor wrote: btw why everyone post here what they are watching lol seriously o,oa u guys miss half of the game by coming every second to post here lol Live report..not everyone can watch..I sometimes follow these on my phone because I cant watch livestream on it.. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:20 El Resplandor wrote: btw why everyone post here what they are watching lol seriously o,oa u guys miss half of the game by coming every second to post here lol It's a remnant from the age when not everyone could watch live. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:20 El Resplandor wrote: btw why everyone post here what they are watching lol seriously o,oa u guys miss half of the game by coming every second to post here lol at least it's more useful than telling other people to not post here to miss half the game when you are doing so yourself | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:25 dnosrc wrote: what the fuck was wrong with blizzard when they designed the scarabs?!? :D I was just thinking the same thing hah | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:23 Shikyo wrote: at least it's more useful than telling other people to not post here to miss half the game when you are doing so yourself im watching on TV | ||
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Sadistx
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YZNh3.gif) Am I the only one? | ||
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mylife4iron
United States33 Posts
On January 19 2010 19:31 Sadistx wrote: For some reason Kal's face reminds me of this: (snip) Am I the only one? Yes. I think you're reacting more to his alternate nickname "Goojila" (Godzilla) than his actual face. | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:31 Sadistx wrote: For some reason Kal's face reminds me of this: + Show Spoiler + Am I the only one? + Show Spoiler + i thought that was some sort of a hollow from bleach. | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:34 radadaundandan wrote: Perfect defences by kal. ;o | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:34 El Resplandor wrote: umm so ez for protoss to take a new exp :/ 10 cannons warp in no time Whaaat? Cannons take like hours to warp, only thing is you need only 1 probe for warp them :| First you cry because you can't 9 pool vs T, now u cry because of cannons, WTF seriously if every MU is hard for you then it means that you should try improving your play, that's it. Anyway these ling runs were very impressive by Hoejja | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:41 meeple wrote: Hoejja taking control of this game... taking out 7 again... He's had control for a while.. | ||
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Kal sweats like a pig. | ||
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" to "OMG HOEJJA THIS IS SOME SEXY PLAY" | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:44 integral wrote: wow, candidate for most-thrown game of the year along with flash vs movie game one Hardly. | ||
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OMGOMGOMGOMGOGOMOMGOMGOMGOGMG | ||
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FLASH IS OUT OF THE CAGE | ||
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Hoejja you're still awesome | ||
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zerglings, amazing plagues, more zerglings, and Kal sweating his ass off. GG | ||
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Great job Hoejja! I strongly dislike playing/watching PvZ/ZvP but this was one of the few ones i enjoyed BTW - Now every KT fan is like "ok now 2x Flash, this is gonna be goood" )) | ||
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amazing play from hoejja | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:50 Itachii wrote: stx already wondering whos gonna go out in ace becouse the result of next game is pretty obvious He he heeee  So true | ||
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Flash has arrived. Calm vs flash ace? I don't see hero taking game 4 a all | ||
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As usual I will be upset if Flash prepared for ace (on a tough TvZ map that he'll also be playing JD on as well) Not sure who KT will send though.... | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:50 Roffles wrote: Damn Kal you blew it SO bad. Had you left your reavers at the expos, you coulda completely destroyed his fickle attempts at killing 6 and 4 Yea, Kal definitely should have held on to 6 at least...just left it wide open, he should have known that would happen when he was at the other end of the map. Big props to Hoejja for non-stop pressure though. | ||
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I'm not so sure that Kal would have been successful offensively if he hadn't taken defense away from his expansions. | ||
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edit: if they want to have a chance that is :D | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:55 Levistus wrote: stx needs to borrow jaedong now if they want to win! wat | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:55 Levistus wrote: stx needs to borrow flash now if they want to win! fixed | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:52 Warrior Madness wrote: Great game by Hoejja, bad game by Kal. His defense was just perfect for the longest time. It seemed like he had cannons, an HT and reavers at all his expos. The turning point was when he brought in all his reavers to take out hoejja's expo.... Overkill. If he had defended with those reavers he easily would've defended the bottom right expansion. Actually i wouldn't say that this was a bad game by Kal, it was 1 mistake that Hoejja mercilessly took advantage of. And in veeery brutal way that turned tables totally. It's not like progamers don't make mistakes, what was impressive here was how awesomely 1 mistake was abused by opponent. And SC is also about abusing your opponents mistakes, the more brutally the better you are | ||
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lol... i'd rather have flash right now thanks | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:56 SimonB wrote: Hoejja is very good with cracklings. I just wish he realized he could be much better at ZvP if he mixed some Ultras in there! Then he wouldn't have as much gas for defilers..... | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:56 writer22816 wrote: lmao if hero beat flash It can happen, he's played great against s-class before | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:55 Levistus wrote: stx needs to borrow nicole now if they want to win! fixed | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:57 Megalisk wrote: Then he wouldn't have as much gas for defilers..... he was only on 2.5 to 3 gas at that point | ||
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This is one of the most common mistakes most protoss progamers make. The reason why protoss progamers forget to leave their reavers in their expos is that they are at 200/200 and most of their army consists of zealots. When this happens, the first thing that comes up in the protoss player's mind is "I need to make more archons and high templars for my big ball" However the protoss player usually start getting insecure at this point. They feel like suiciding zealots might give the zerg even the smallest chance. And here comes the big mistake. The protoss player believes it would be a better choice to take ALL his units and try attacking the Zerg, and try to deal alot of damage to the zerg and make sure his army doesn't get torn to pieces. However the protoss player usually overextends himself and ironically gives the Zerg player a chance to create chaos in the game using drops/defilers/cracklings | ||
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MAKE IT HAPPEN | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:58 Badjas wrote: It can happen, he's played great against s-class before Only in ZvP though. | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:59 MrHoon wrote: apparently Kingdom said this about the game awesome info to know | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:00 Womwomwom wrote: Gosh Hero is looking chubber and chubber as time passes. July's rubbing off on him. | ||
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On January 19 2010 19:59 MrHoon wrote: apparently Kingdom said this about the game ah nice, ty for the translation mrhoon | ||
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"Flash's murderer-face "lings?! I will show you how true break looks like" | ||
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I was wrong. | ||
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I hope Violet goes out for Ace | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:07 Zona wrote: Just as I was thinking to myself - Flash is human, he's got to lose sometime. I was wrong. You're not wrong. He still has to lose sometime. Just not now, it looks like. | ||
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They cheese KT's weaker players, but against Flash they play standard? | ||
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Flash is 8:2 on this map :O | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:08 SuperArc wrote: Wow, how stupid is STX? They cheese KT's weaker players, but against Flash they play standard? Dude you can't cheese Flash, what the hell? | ||
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Calm ....ok Hwasin...ok Kal ........listen to Kingdom advice Hero ......OMG WTF !!!!!! NAB !!! | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/14bqjye.jpg) victory approved | ||
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Calm: Please don't coach. | ||
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I wasn't here and I heard 'cheese' | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:10 albis wrote: would be nice to see luxury for ace. he didn't even have a chance to play didn't he just lose? | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:10 Levistus wrote: Coach: Wanna play Calm? Calm: Please don't coach. LOL oh wait it's calm. | ||
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Game 2 - HUGE rape. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:10 MrHoon wrote: BTW can people recap games 1 and 2 for me? I wasn't here and I heard 'cheese' Calm did a 3 hat hydra break. Hwasin did proxy BBS | ||
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Hero vs Luxury for ACE. | ||
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KTFlash to ruin my liquibet (it's your fault kal...) | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:11 kyzers0ze wrote: stx should at least sent out kal =/ flash has been practicing tvz all week And TvP whole previous week... | ||
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ya, 2 rax cheese. not much anyone can do about it unless overlord scouted | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:10 MrHoon wrote: BTW can people recap games 1 and 2 for me? I wasn't here and I heard 'cheese' Violet goes dual stargate and pressures with first 4 zeals. Calm does a hydra/ling break against 2 cannons while the 4 zeals are on far side of HBR taking out the zerg third. Violet gg's. Hwasin goes center BBS while Lux 12-hatches. Lux pulls a gazillion drones, kills a marine or two but loses drones. Hwasin finishes a bunker out of range of the natural hatchery. Lux bypasses with a bunch (8? 10?) of lings. Hwasin walks into the main and kills all but 2 drones, then pulls alls his SCVs to escape the lings. Hwasin attacks Lux's main with all his units, Lux can't hold it off and loses both his remaining workers, gg. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:13 integral wrote: and don't you dare send out a terran, lol they should sent an orc or a NE, that flash is not used to play against | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:12 SuperArc wrote: I am pretty sure this time Flash WANTS to go out in Ace. If KT loses this match they lost their huge lead. It's a matter of 3 vs 1 matchpoints ahead. Not insignificant, sure, but still. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:14 Jackal03 wrote: they should sent an orc or a NE, that flash is not used to play against fucking claws of attack mang DEM CLAWS | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:14 Warrior Madness wrote: Umm.... How did by.hero lose so quickly? I only caught his opening 2 hatch and I then I got up and made a sandwhich. Flash did a timing attack, there were no sunkens for hero... | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:14 Jackal03 wrote: they should sent an orc or a NE, that flash is not used to play against ofc, even Flash cant overcome Blademaster imba. 200+ damage criticals 1-hitting all his tanks | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:14 Warrior Madness wrote: Umm.... How did by.hero lose so quickly? I only caught his opening 2 hatch and I then I got up and made a sandwhich. Creep colony break. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:14 Warrior Madness wrote: Umm.... How did by.hero lose so quickly? I only caught his opening 2 hatch and I then I got up and made a sandwhich. looked like he went for a timing attack before mutas popped and hero was caught with unmorphed creeps | ||
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LOOOOLL :D | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:16 MrHoon wrote: Flash realized how little zerglings Hero had and just did a timing attack because he scanned that the creep colonies were JUST built nah it was a planned bust, he cut scvs for extra marines and he was already headed out when he scanned the colonies | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:17 IdrA wrote: nah it was a planned bust, he cut scvs for extra marines and he was already headed out when he scanned the colonies ohhhhhhh thanks idra! | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:17 IdrA wrote: nah it was a planned bust, he cut scvs for extra marines and he was already headed out when he scanned the colonies No wonder the commentators started getting louder when the CC stopped blinking lol.. | ||
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No Calm dying early to Flash's first push, or Flash losing to muta harass. Endgame please! ..and are they seriously going to show this entire replay? -_- | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:17 IdrA wrote: nah it was a planned bust, he cut scvs for extra marines and he was already headed out when he scanned the colonies Idra if you would be so kind as to answer - in your opinion how much does it help an upcoming opponent (obviously Jaedong in this case) to see one extra recent game of a player in the correct matchup on the right map? Namely Flash's TvZ on FS, a map he's played a lot of (televised) TvZ on lately. I'm always curious as to what the pros think about the impact of one extra game in terms of preparation and study. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:19 Hinanawi wrote: Hopefully we get an epic game here. No Calm dying early to Flash's first push, or Flash losing to muta harass. Endgame please! I second this... I wanna see defiler/ultra play | ||
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I don't think we'll see a quick ace today~ | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:20 darktreb wrote: Idra if you would be so kind as to answer - in your opinion how much does it help an upcoming opponent (obviously Jaedong in this case) to see one extra recent game of a player in the correct matchup on the right map? Namely Flash's TvZ on FS, a map he's played a lot of (televised) TvZ on lately. I'm always curious as to what the pros think about the impact of one extra game in terms of preparation and study. all depends on what you do. it can be to your advantage if you play mind games well, like the kwanro series set flash up really well for the finals, especially given their osl heartbreak game, cuz jaedong is gonna be very nervous about cheesy stuff. that makes flash's standard style alot stronger. given that fighting spirit is a pretty standard map for tvz this game wont have any affect on the finals, cuz either flash is gonna play standard on it in the finals and jd already knows what that looks like, or flash will have some weird build that he obviously wont show here anyway. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:24 IdrA wrote: all depends on what you do. it can be to your advantage if you play mind games well, like the kwanro series set flash up really well for the finals, especially given their osl heartbreak game, cuz jaedong is gonna be very nervous about cheesy stuff. that makes flash's standard style alot stronger. given that fighting spirit is a pretty standard map for tvz this game wont have any affect on the finals, cuz either flash is gonna play standard on it in the finals and jd already knows what that looks like, or flash will have some weird build that he obviously wont show here anyway. pro answer.. would've expected nothing less | ||
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darktreb
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On January 19 2010 20:24 IdrA wrote: all depends on what you do. it can be to your advantage if you play mind games well, like the kwanro series set flash up really well for the finals, especially given their osl heartbreak game, cuz jaedong is gonna be very nervous about cheesy stuff. that makes flash's standard style alot stronger. given that fighting spirit is a pretty standard map for tvz this game wont have any affect on the finals, cuz either flash is gonna play standard on it in the finals and jd already knows what that looks like, or flash will have some weird build that he obviously wont show here anyway. Very cool to hear - thanks! | ||
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Tekin
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Calm really should have pulled more drones...I don't know why he didn't? | ||
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Zona
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
That was quick, Flash has a date after this or something. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:24 MrHoon wrote: Fighting Spirit is a very heavy resource map I don't think we'll see a quick ace today~ Don't worry, i was thinking exactly the same thing | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
go 12 hatch u are fucked go pool first u are behind FUCK tvz imba | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
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SAME GAME!! | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
<3 | ||
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fragamemnon
United States20 Posts
Cheddar Terran FTW. | ||
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Ozarugold
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That was...Flash-like... | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Calm just shakes his head and types out in utter disgust. | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:24 MrHoon wrote: Fighting Spirit is a very heavy resource map I don't think we'll see a quick ace today~ That's what Calm though too. That's why Flash is sooooo good. | ||
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Canada206 Posts
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leejas
United States440 Posts
That looked like the OSL finals. | ||
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albis
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sh02hp0869
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prOxi.Beater
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meeple
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
by my calculation he finished both of his matches in less than 10 minutes altogeher. | ||
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Germany4482 Posts
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United States252 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:32 Roffles wrote: Good one Calm. Nicely done. Nice drone counter. Honestly, 2 drones? | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:32 sh02hp0869 wrote: Just ridiculus how easy it is to 7-8 rax a Z and win. Especially when the zerg is so predictable | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
probably best terran ever (even better than my dearest iloveoov) | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:32 sh02hp0869 wrote: Just ridiculus how easy it is to 7-8 rax a Z and win. Calm pulled only 2 drones..should have pulled alot more at first.. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
1. they were crushed in the first two games 2. an inferior player (Hoejja) is down a lot to a superior player (Kal) on a tough map for the inferior player in the third game 3. Flash has important individual league games to prepare for How times have changed.... What a crushing defeat for STX wow. | ||
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integral
United States3156 Posts
and flash is raping everyone | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
I am eager to watch the MSL finals even more now. What cheeses will Jaedong have prepared or is he going to 9pool every game? Flash needs to be solved. | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:33 Demand2k wrote: Especially when the zerg is so predictable 7-8 rax isent even all in it just imba. | ||
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Canada3791 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:34 integral wrote: I just realized WINNER'S LEAGUE IS NEXT ROUND and flash is raping everyone You cant win WL with just one player. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:32 fragamemnon wrote: im pretty sure he went pool first every gameeCalm earned that one after 12-hatching into 2 hatch muta every game in the OSL semis. Cheddar Terran FTW. | ||
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Highways
Australia6102 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:32 El Resplandor wrote: like i said before go 12 hatch u are fucked go pool first u are behind FUCK tvz imba It sure is imba. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6165 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:34 integral wrote: I just realized WINNER'S LEAGUE IS NEXT ROUND and flash is raping everyone YAHOOOOOOOO Flash will cost 20 point in Fantasy | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:33 Khul Sadukar wrote: Flash is getting too cocky with these rushes. I hope JD stomps him if he tries it... Yeah, this is true. Jaedong would have responded so much faster and pulled all his drones, on top of that he has amazing drone micro. | ||
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On January 19 2010 20:35 BloodDrunK wrote: i think flash just passed oov's elo record or something. Yep, he's past Oov's ELO peak for TvZ. | ||
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sh02hp0869
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On January 19 2010 20:35 Xxio wrote: Yeah, this is true. Jaedong would have responded so much faster and pulled all his drones, on top of that he has amazing drone micro. He still could die as easily wiyh one misstake and Flash wpuld still be in it even if he failed. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:35 raga4ka wrote: So what is actually wrong with 12 pool instead of 12 hat ? Same reason protoss FE with only one cannon. Greed. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:35 Chen wrote: why is everyone bitching about imba. Calm threw away the fucking game by sitting and doing absolutely nothing as the bunker went up. this By all the whiner's logic 2 Drones should >>>>>>>> A bunker, 2 scvs, 2 marines | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
I'm worried about Flash's frequent coughing tho'. | ||
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albis
United States652 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:34 Warrior Madness wrote: Flash is unbeatable.... If you go three hatch he kills your 3rd expo with his aggresive rines. If you go two hatch he will overwhelm you with his midgame push. And while you're busy thinking of a clever strategy to beat him with using 2 hatch or 3 hatch mutas he will bunker rush you. pretty much that | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:35 Roffles wrote: Flash with daily MVP. If there's anyone who should have gotten the award, it shoulda been Kal. Daily MVP for KT should be Kal. I see what you did there | ||
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whathappened
United States213 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:36 kyzers0ze wrote: is flash going to hit 2400 again? Third time is the charm | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:36 MrHoon wrote: this By all the whiner's logic 2 Drones should >>>>>>>> A bunker, 2 scvs, 2 marines the thing is that even if u manage to stop the bunker u lose like 4 (if not all) of ur drones and its basically gg. Go try to micro 8 drones vs 4 marines and 2 scv's w/o losing one... | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:34 integral wrote: I just realized WINNER'S LEAGUE IS NEXT ROUND and flash is raping everyone And individual leagues will be over. If Flash beats JD and has literally all the momentum in the universe.... This could get ridiculous. | ||
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Salteador Neo
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And its not like you lose the game if it fails. This is lame xd | ||
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whathappened
United States213 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:36 pripple wrote: oh how i hope JD 4pools Flash every game in the MSL finals, tired of this bunkershit ;< You should be tired of players playing greedy. If Jaedong saw a Terran doing a 14 CC or a Protoss doing a 12 Nexus, you would bet he would just all-in speedlings. But I'm sure you wouldn't complain about that... | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
That's like the definition of winner's league.  | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Actually I'm pretty sure it's the only thing you can win with just one player. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:39 Waxangel wrote: calm's micro was horrendous, that's about it And the pathing error didn't help . | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:39 Waxangel wrote: clam's micro was horrendous, that's about it fixd | ||
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Poochi
United States117 Posts
edit: winner's league that is. | ||
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Singapore1073 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:39 Waxangel wrote: calm's micro was horrendous, that's about it Yup, just about sums up Calm's micro that game. Slow to react, poor response, and pretty poor micro. Drone counter? Really? | ||
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Creationism
China505 Posts
Yeah, cuz you would need teamwork. The WL system is setup so that if one person keeps winning that another could... oh wait... omfg I can't wait for Flash to 4-0 the crap outta everyone. | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
Flash: Have a nice bunker. Bye. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:38 El Resplandor wrote: the thing is that even if u manage to stop the bunker u lose like 4 (if not all) of ur drones and its basically gg. Go try to micro 8 drones vs 4 marines and 2 scv's w/o losing one... PLEASE SHUT UP AND WATCH THE GODDAMN GAME. FLASH HAD 1 MARINE AND 2 SCV'S. He added 1 marine about when the bunker finished. Calm pulls 5-6 drones, unless he displays shit micro he doesnt lose anything other than mining time and is safe. wtf is this 4 marine bullshit | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:39 whathappened wrote: You should be tired of players playing greedy. If Jaedong saw a Terran doing a 14 CC or a Protoss doing a 12 Nexus, you would bet he would just all-in speedlings. But I'm sure you wouldn't complain about that... And thats is basicly all in dont you se the diffrence here? 7-8 rax not all in. Failed 9 pool wayyyy behind. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:39 Djabanete wrote: That's like the definition of winner's league. On January 19 2010 20:39 darktreb wrote: Actually I'm pretty sure it's the only thing you can win with just one player. On January 19 2010 20:40 Creationism wrote: Yeah, cuz you would need teamwork. The WL system is setup so that if one person keeps winning that another could... oh wait... omfg I can't wait for Flash to 4-0 the crap outta everyone. No team in last year's playoffs was just a one man team. CJ had its whole team, KT had Lux/Flash, Oz JD/Hiya, SKT Bisu/fantasy/Canata | ||
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fragamemnon
United States20 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:36 kyzers0ze wrote: is flash going to hit 2400 again? just updated to 2401  24-3 in the first two rounds of Proleague while winning an OSL and getting to the finals in the MSL is amazing. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:41 Waxangel wrote: oh flash was lucky with the scout, which helped a ton I guess Yeah, though to his credit he did a great job seeing the Hatch without it being seen. Sure you'd expect pros to get that right every time but that definitely doesn't happen in practice. | ||
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iRRelevance
Romania725 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:41 Waxangel wrote: oh flash was lucky with the scout, which helped a ton I guess He sent 2 scvs. Down and left. | ||
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:41 Chen wrote: PLEASE SHUT UP AND WATCH THE GODDAMN GAME. FLASH HAD 1 MARINE AND 2 SCV'S. He added 1 marine about when the bunker finished. Calm pulls 5-6 drones, unless he displays shit micro he doesnt lose anything and is safe. wtf is this 4 marine bullshit This guy is whining so much that it really is getting tiring. On January 19 2010 20:41 radadaundandan wrote: Calm: Hi, I am a 2 hatch muta superzerg! I shall own you with my muta micro! Flash: Have a nice bunker. Bye. Yeah so true, Calm was 2-hatching every-game in OSL semis, Flash now shown him what does Calm need to fix in his play | ||
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
flash is always lucky to not get cross positions for his bullshit | ||
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Waxangel
United States33252 Posts
oh didn't catch that, thanks ^_^ | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:41 SuperArc wrote: No team in last year's playoffs was just a one man team. CJ had its whole team, KT had Lux/Flash, Oz JD/Hiya, SKT Bisu/fantasy/Canata I would be really curious to see what would happen if Flash played WL by himself (as in literally one man team) with no individual leagues to worry about. Could he go 6-5? Even better? Would that not be the most ridiculous thing to watch? | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
tvz imba | ||
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Poochi
United States117 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:44 lazz wrote: summary of last 5 pages: tvz imba more like FVZ imba | ||
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:44 darktreb wrote: I would be really curious to see what would happen if Flash played WL by himself (as in literally one man team) with no individual leagues to worry about. Could he go 6-5? Even better? Would that not be the most ridiculous thing to watch? 44 wins in a round is ridiculous | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:44 darktreb wrote: I would be really curious to see what would happen if Flash played WL by himself (as in literally one man team) with no individual leagues to worry about. Could he go 6-5? Even better? Would that not be the most ridiculous thing to watch? what would that be like? if Flash gets 4 lives thats so imba, in the other team just gets 4 chances to snipe Flash.... I'd expect alot of wins but a bad overall record. alot of teams can win in they have 4 shots at him with all just sniping | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:47 Chen wrote: what would that be like? if Flash gets 4 lives thats so imba, in the other team just gets 4 chances to snipe Flash.... I'd expect alot of wins but a bad overall record. alot of teams can win in they have 4 shots at him with all just sniping I mean if he gets just "one life". I think realistically he can win maybe 2 or 3. There are teams where even if they snipe I don't think can beat him no matter what. | ||
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Canada127 Posts
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Highways
Australia6102 Posts
"I am thinking that Terran has an advantage in Starcraft and their units are too good" SOURCE | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:49 Highways wrote: From the words of Yellow, after being bunker rushed by Boxer: "I am thinking that Terran has an advantage in Starcraft and their units are too good" Yeah, this makes you seriously wonder how savior could dominate all those monster terrans (Iris, Midas, Nada, oov) | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:51 SuperArc wrote: Yeah, this makes you seriously wonder how savior could dominate all those monster terrans (Iris, Midas, Nada, oov) Savior was one of a kind It's a pity there aren't many zergs who can play a defensive management style in SC | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:44 El Resplandor wrote: flash is always lucky to not get cross positions for his bullshit Yes hi is Lucky Luck | ||
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Highways
Australia6102 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:51 SuperArc wrote: Yeah, this makes you seriously wonder how savior could dominate all those monster terrans (Iris, Midas, Nada, oov) He actually beat Midas, Hwasin and Iris in very very tough 3-2 wins. Wasn't complete dominance. | ||
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Canada127 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
three ZvPs are played tonight with Zerg winning them all. and Jaedong's on a 16 game ZvP streak. Maybe Zerg players just need to learn how to mass speedlings like Kwanro. Hey, it worked against Light. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:57 Hinanawi wrote: lololo, the best player in the world beats a couple Zergs, and everyone's up in arms about TvZ imba. At the same time, (SKT vs hite) + Show Spoiler + three ZvPs are played tonight with Zerg winning them all. Maybe Zerg players just need to learn how to mass speedlings like Kwanro. Hey, it worked against Light. Eh... it wasn't that he won. It's just the effortless manner in which he won. Although to be honest, he played brilliantly, and in both games, his opponents made some key mistakes. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:00 meeple wrote: Eh... it wasn't that he won. It's just the effortless manner in which he won. Although to be honest, he played brilliantly, and in both games, his opponents made some key mistakes. Yeah, fair enough. I feel the same way watching ZvP sometimes, but what can you do, it's how Blizzard made the game. Off to bed with me. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
In all seriousness though all you ever hear when flash plays in complaints. Remember the OSL semis? "Omg so gay Flash is turtling lategame with a billion tanks" "Omg so gay Flash wins with a midgame push" vs Jaedong "Omg so gay Flash denying 3rd" "Omg so gay bunker rush" More proof that the gaming community is ridiculously ungrateful. If he wanted to bunker rush then so wat? Let the man bunker rush =P *JD Fan here btw* | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:17 SubtleArt wrote: 3 Terrans won TvZ. 2 Zergs won PvZ, lol all the imbalances played out? In all seriousness though all you ever hear when flash plays in complaints. Remember the OSL semis? "Omg so gay Flash is turtling lategame with a billion tanks" "Omg so gay Flash wins with a midgame push" vs Jaedong "Omg so gay Flash denying 3rd" "Omg so gay bunker rush" More proof that the gaming community is ridiculously ungrateful. If he wanted to bunker rush then so wat? Let the man bunker rush =P *JD Fan here btw* You haven't noticed this trend for the past month? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:17 SubtleArt wrote: 3 Terrans won TvZ. 2 Zergs won PvZ, lol all the imbalances played out? In all seriousness though all you ever hear when flash plays in complaints. Remember the OSL semis? "Omg so gay Flash is turtling lategame with a billion tanks" "Omg so gay Flash wins with a midgame push" vs Jaedong "Omg so gay Flash denying 3rd" "Omg so gay bunker rush" More proof that the gaming community is ridiculously ungrateful. If he wanted to bunker rush then so wat? Let the man bunker rush =P *JD Fan here btw* Did people seriously call Flash gay for denying thirds? | ||
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Damian
Germany335 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:28 SuperArc wrote: Did people seriously call Flash gay for denying thirds? yes, everything that Flash does is elading to gay calls 8[ Go Flash, Last Action Terran ! | ||
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:28 SuperArc wrote: Did people seriously call Flash gay for denying thirds? Omg so gay flash is playing Terran | ||
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Canada1556 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
after lookin into this t hread i was sure i would get at least that one right.. I come back and see.. 0-2 turning into 3-2 gotta be kidding T_T and SKT fucked up as well man :D | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On January 19 2010 22:08 MaGic~PhiL wrote: jesus christ.. after lookin into this t hread i was sure i would get at least that one right.. I come back and see.. 0-2 turning into 3-2 gotta be kidding T_T and SKT fucked up as well man :D i feel ur pain man, i went 0-2 aswell tonight. i really thought stx could win this... and they almost did. screw u kal! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
KTFlash is back! + Show Spoiler + Honestly surprised with Hoejja > Kal though. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
PS Try going against a Terran without a 12 hatch. You'll die miserably. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:13 integral wrote: and don't you dare send out a terran, lol love that quote | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 19 2010 23:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Terran is bullshit. That's all I have to say. PS Try going against a Terran without a 12 hatch. You'll die miserably. ROFL i can't stop laughing of this post | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On January 20 2010 00:43 Biff The Understudy wrote: Just watched Calm vs Flash. Is it me or Calm just failed miserably? It doesn't seem that Flash has done anything special in this game; but did Calm really tried to defend a bunker rush with 2 drones? Don"t get that. Definitely. I don't think I've seen such a horrible response to a bunker rush in a while. You have to wonder if Flash is getting into their heads. You pull too many drones and you lose them to marines, you pull too few and you lose your natural. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 19 2010 17:45 Hinanawi wrote: 3-0 STX victory unless Violet can pull off the win. Will you stop fucking playing HoeJJa already? Put Stats in there instead FFS. LoL | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I think it's funny :x | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
i knew stx's only chance to win this was to 3-0 but kal v hoejja should be epic when i watch it | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
i'm laughing at how ignorant your post is lol. TvZ is too fucking imba, the guy said nothing funny | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + CALM ..A.L C.....M ...L ..A. C.....M ..L.A C.....M CLAM | ||
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United States2870 Posts
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Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:18 AzureEye wrote: i'm laughing at how ignorant your post is lol. TvZ is too fucking imba, the guy said nothing funny It's funny how Flash is so skilled he manages to make a whole match up looks unfair. I have a little game for you though, compare the tvz win ratio of this season with, and without Flash. Then, may be, after a lot of reflexion, you might be able to see that while FvZ is indeed imba, TvZ is in fact rather fair. | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:18 AzureEye wrote: i'm laughing at how ignorant your post is lol. TvZ is too fucking imba, the guy said nothing funny Blah blah blah There are any objective facts? except "Terran is bullshit" and "TvZ is too fucking imba" | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On January 19 2010 21:28 SuperArc wrote: Did people seriously call Flash gay for denying thirds? I dont think theres been anything Flash hasn't been called gay for. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:18 AzureEye wrote: i'm laughing at how ignorant your post is lol. TvZ is too fucking imba, the guy said nothing funny Muta micro mostly negates midgame disadvantage. Its gotten so good now. You can stall terran for quite a while, and once defiler tech is out I think TvZ is one of the most balanced matchups | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
thx for all "tic" boy!! | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 20 2010 02:01 SubtleArt wrote: Muta micro mostly negates midgame disadvantage. Its gotten so good now. You can stall terran for quite a while, and once defiler tech is out I think TvZ is one of the most balanced matchups PHAHAHAHAHAHAH | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
pahahaha indeed a unit with infinite mana that makes you invincible and makes all the enemy units die in one hit and he calls it balanced. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:18 AzureEye wrote: i'm laughing at how ignorant your post is lol. TvZ is too fucking imba, the guy said nothing funny Nate MSL TvZ: 16-12 (57.1%) [ Games ] ZvP: 8-9 (47.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 8-9 (47.1%) [ Games ] Ever OSL TvZ: 14-18 (43.8%) [ Games ] ZvP: 18-20 (47.4%) [ Games ] PvT: 15-13 (53.6%) [ Games ] SPL 09/10 TvZ: 63-46 (57.8%) [ Games ] ZvP: 66-52 (55.9%) [ Games ] PvT: 38-31 (55.1%) [ Games ] Total TvZ: 93-76 (55.0%) [ Games ] ZvP: 92-81 (53.2%) [ Games ] PvT: 61-53 (53.5%) [ Games ] Without Flash Nate MSL TvZ: 9-10 (57.1%) [ Games ] ZvP: 8-9 (47.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 8-6 (47.1%) [ Games ] Ever OSL TvZ: 5-17 (43.8%) [ Games ] ZvP: 18-20 (47.4%) [ Games ] PvT: 13-10 (53.6%) [ Games ] SPL 09/10 TvZ: 54-45 (57.8%) [ Games ] ZvP: 66-52 (55.9%) [ Games ] PvT: 37-30 (55.1%) [ Games ] Total TvZ: 68-72 (48.6%) [ Games ] ZvP: 92-81 (53.2%) [ Games ] PvT: 58-46 (55.8%) [ Games ] DO NOTE. Do not run away with the Flashless stats as a true comparison would be to remove the best zerg and best protoss as well but I'm not going to bother with that. The result would still be similar to what is exhibited above but less markedly so. What we can say for certain however is that all Terrans who are not Flash are doing a relatively poor job this season. This is evidenced above and in that Flash was the only terran to make it into the Semi's (and he did it twice that little outlier that he is). TvZ is NOT imba however FvZ makes it seem like it is right now (25-4 86.2%). | ||
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Ninja4ever.
France231 Posts
On January 20 2010 02:09 IdrA wrote: pahahaha indeed a unit with infinite mana that makes you invincible and makes all the enemy units die in one hit and he calls it balanced. Let's not forget about ultras, that you absolutly have to irriadiate to have a shot at killing, and one fucking single irradiated ultra can take out around 50 rins before dying. | ||
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imDerek
United States1944 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 20 2010 02:16 Ninja4ever. wrote: Let's not forget about ultras, that you absolutly have to irriadiate to have a shot at killing, and one fucking single irradiated ultra can take out around 50 rins before dying. Not to mention that instead of making the Ultras weaker, irradiate makes them stroinger vs MnM | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On January 20 2010 02:16 Ninja4ever. wrote: Let's not forget about ultras, that you absolutly have to irriadiate to have a shot at killing, and one fucking single irradiated ultra can take out around 50 rins before dying. Or, if you have more than 10 tanks, which seems to be a fun terran tactic now, you'll one shot ultras, even under swarm. | ||
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Ideas
United States8080 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:51 Fx_ wrote: Blah blah blah There are any objective facts? except "Terran is bullshit" and "TvZ is too fucking imba" Its common knowledge. Just like how we know air exists but its very difficult to prove that it does. Analysis of matchups cannot be objective unless we say obvious things like Drones have 40 health | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On January 20 2010 02:01 SubtleArt wrote: Muta micro mostly negates midgame disadvantage. Its gotten so good now. You can stall terran for quite a while, and once defiler tech is out I think TvZ is one of the most balanced matchups On the contrary, Anti-Muta micro has gotten very good. Yes Muta Stack is a big advantage to Zergs and allows stalling for hive. Just the FACT that you have to stall Terran to reach a tech where the matchup becomes 50/50 again just shows you that its not a balanced matchup overall. Not to mention that this doesn't apply when Terrans go mech Flash vs Calm (previous one) showed us that Terrans can just mass tanks and kill everything under swarm with splash. So recent meta-game shows us that even defiler tech/ultras can't bring TvZ back to 50/50 anymore | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7795 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Metagame will always change, you can't look at recent data alone, you have to look at older data as well to understand the matchup better. You have to consider who played who, and under what conditions. Why can't you just admit TvZ is the most imbalanced matchup ever? And always will be | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:11 Vasoline73 wrote: lol one game by the best terran late game ever against a zerg really not known for great late game vT proves that defiler ultra is now obsolete. Solid post Azure Way to jump to assumptions. First of all, its not just that one game, Terrans have been massing tanks recently to fight off hive tech. And yes, I do know Flash has good TvZ and Calm has bad ZvT. I've always been saying TvZ was imba even before this match, I wasn't basing it off of this match Are all T's arrogant and denying? | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
Flash on the other hand needs to be in jail. I don't care if he's underage, rape is rape. | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:36 pripple wrote: oh how i hope JD 4pools Flash every game in the MSL finals, tired of this bunkershit ;< 8 rax u have 2 marines out to stop lings xd | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:16 StorkHwaiting wrote: Flash on the other hand needs to be in jail. I don't care if he's underage, rape is rape. Pretty much. What an incredible run. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
if it works dont stop lol | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
Flash is Just warming up for Jaedong... Nice test for him playing against hero and Calm... | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:48 torm3ntin wrote: Lol Flash is Just warming up for Jaedong... Nice test for him playing against hero and Calm...used to many tlpd? lol | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:13 AzureEye wrote: Way to jump to assumptions. First of all, its not just that one game, Terrans have been massing tanks recently to fight off hive tech. And yes, I do know Flash has good TvZ and Calm has bad ZvT. I've always been saying TvZ was imba even before this match, I wasn't basing it off of this match Are all T's arrogant and denying? What's the use? Are you trying to justify a hate towards Terrans beating Zergs? Regardless of whether or not a MU is imbalanced, the topic should never be brought up as an argument. EDIT: Or as a reason to bitch and whine. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
rofl :D maybe it's some sort of implication that Just and Nice are also his warmup for hero and Jaedong!!!!!1111 | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
Without him, Flash never would have even had a chance to play. And he played phenomenal... | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:10 StorkHwaiting wrote: Why isn't anyone talking about Hoejja's brilliant play in game 3? :< Without him, Flash never would have even had a chance to play. And he played phenomenal... Was it Hoejja's brilliant play or Kal's mistake to not leave reavers and HT at his bases? | ||
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Ideas
United States8080 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:10 StorkHwaiting wrote: Why isn't anyone talking about Hoejja's brilliant play in game 3? :< Without him, Flash never would have even had a chance to play. And he played phenomenal... I'm probably a bit biased but it seems to me like hoejja got a little lucky catching kal's army out of position and was just able to snipe nexus' really quick. That game I felt Kal definitely outplayed Hoejja but just blew it with a few mistakes :\ | ||
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
On January 19 2010 20:34 Warrior Madness wrote: Flash is unbeatable.... If you go three hatch into guardians like an idiot he kills your 3rd expo with his aggresive rines. yup this | ||
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:18 Ideas wrote: I'm probably a bit biased but it seems to me like hoejja got a little lucky catching kal's army out of position and was just able to snipe nexus' really quick. That's like saying a terran gets lucky when a zerg leaves his expos with 2 sunkens and no lurkers defilers or nydus | ||
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Moridin
Bulgaria164 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:02 AzureEye wrote: Its common knowledge. Just like how we know air exists but its very difficult to prove that it does. Analysis of matchups cannot be objective unless we say obvious things like Drones have 40 health What's common knowledge here is that you're just a sad troll. But then again, this could just be me stating my own opinion as an acknowledged fact. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:37 RamenStyle wrote: Lol, Flash entering the WL being on fire this much is scary. This is going to be scarier than the JD from the times of JaedongOz. I think current Flash is harder to beat than JD at that time, and his supporting cast is way better than what the Dong had. Hiya was the fourth best player in the WL (after Jaedong, Bisu and Flash). Whats with "all the Oz has no good players apart from JD"? WL Hiya > KT | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:11 AzureEye wrote: @Revy: Recent statistics alone do not prove anything. First of all, you're leaving out the skill level of all the players and the map pool. Secondly, statistics as small as 30 or 40 games don't mean crap, this game is 10 years old, you have to look at the bigger picture with a large sample amount. Metagame will always change, you can't look at recent data alone, you have to look at older data as well to understand the matchup better. You have to consider who played who, and under what conditions. Why can't you just admit TvZ is the most imbalanced matchup ever? And always will be rofl let me just pull out one quote here: "First of all, you're leaving out the skill level of all the players and the map pool." You say this, yet you also want to take 10 year old statistics. Do you remember why Terrans dominated back then? Because the maps were atrocious -- even by today's standards, our imbalanced maps aren't as bad as old maps. On top of that, skill levels? There's a reason the bonjwas were bonjwas and it wasn't because Terrans are better -- the players were just better. Boxer was plain better, Nada was the definition of better, Oov redefined the game. These are all the players with the biggest impact on old statistics, influenced by T favored maps and horrible gaps in skill level. Nowadays, the match ups are much closer because the maps aren't bad, the players aren't that separated by skill, and the overall game has improved. That's why there's not a whole lot of TvZ imbalance anymore -- it fluctuates but that's how it is. Old statistics don't matter because the maps are no longer used and there's no more bonjwas who go 27-3 over 2 seasons against Zerg. No boxers to dominate yellows, and no nadas to dominate chojjas. TvZ is fine, STOP COMPLAINING. I play zerg and I just want you to shut up about it because you're stupid and wrong and every good terran and zerg player has tried to refute you about this, but you just want to constantly spout of age old statistics that aren't relevant. Stop, you're wrong. Zergs aren't the bitches of the world, otherwise they wouldn't have won the past FOUR titles (Jaedong's double OSL, Calm's MSL, Lux's MSL) and SIX of the past 8 medals (Yarnc and Kwanro taking silver, Jangbi and Fantasy taking the other two medals). And they almost all beat terrans along the way (Avalon MSL's 75% ZvT winrate etc). THE GAME'S FINE SHUT UP On January 20 2010 04:42 SuperArc wrote: Hiya was the fourth best player in the WL (after Jaedong, Bisu and Flash). Whats with "all the Oz has no good players apart from JD"? WL Hiya > KT You do know Flash all killed Oz with Hiya involved in the process, right? I know Oz All Killed KT too but point stands, Hiya is by no means a challenge to KT. 8) | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
And it's not "simply," skill, but skill is a huge part of it as Nada and Oov also dominated TvP as well (Their weak points were both TvT, actually). But sure, go ahead and write a fucking thesis on TvZ and put it in its own thread on broodwar so every single analyst that knows what they're talking about can scoff at you. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:55 AzureEye wrote: The Terran players back then seemed better because they were so good at TvZ. For example, Boxer and Oov were infamous for their TvZ. Oov had a 27 win streak versus Zergs. You would say this is simply skill? I doubt it. If you'd like, I can write a long analysis on the current meta-game of TvZ and explain how its imbalanced. I can't do it now but it will come out later a) It wasn't 27-0, that's TLPD missing some games. It's reckoned as 18-0 by Kespa. And you know, Flash just went on a 22-game TvT streak --- by your logic, that proves TvT is racially imbalanced? b) Yes, it was skill, and also T-slanted maps. c) Have you actually watched any of the games that went into that monster streak? Zergs basically couldn't micro mutas and didn't know about defilers at the time. THE GAME HAS CHANGED. | ||
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United States8476 Posts
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LostWraithSC
United States111 Posts
However, I am concerned that a player like Flash who doesn't shy from bunker rushing will have a massive advantage over any zerg player. I'm concerned about the specific bunker rush tactic itself and the psychological consequences of it. It is well known that if a zerg fails a 5 pool, or even a 9 pool, the game's over for them because there is no way for them to recover. Fortunately 9 pools at least have a great chance of success that it's worth the gamble. However after a Terran fails a bunker rush, he is only at a small disadvantage. Before you say "all great players win by building on these small advantages", you have to admit that even when the players are fairly close in skill level, a completely failed bunker rush =/= auto win for zerg. On the other hand, failed 9 and 5 = auto terran win almost invariably. Failed bunker rushes still tie down zerg drones from mining, possibly killing 1 or 2, while using only 1 or 2 scvs. The zerg can't counter as flash has shown us that a bunker + 2 scvs on the ramp = gg counter. Well, one might say all rush strategies are high risk high reward, but it's just that bunker rushes are of much lower risk than zerg rushes. There is also another factor, imo a more important one. It's the opportunity cost of the rush. Terran 14cc and zerg 12 hatch are the two econ builds, but 14cc is a much greedier build compared to 12 hatch, which is only standard for zerg. Zergs have to 12 hatch if they want to match terran for econ, and if they 12 hatch and get bunker rushed they are in trouble (not auto loss but it's really hard to defend esp. if the terran is good/lucky or both). Here's where the psychological problem comes in. To simplify the situation by a GREAT DEAL, the terran has 3 choices at the beginning: bunker, standard, 14cc. Zerg has 2, 9 pool, 12 hatch. Ok I know there's 12 pool and overpool but I still consider them ling builds because if a zerg goes 12 pool (latest pool that's not 12 hatch) he's still at a great disadv if terran plays standard. Basically the zerg has to choose to rush if he wants to be certain he won't be hurt by a bunker rush, and if a terran bunker rushes often (like every other game), zergs just can't play 12 hatch with confidence. By a simple game theory, the equilibrium state is that zerg must 9 pool every game and the terran will play standard every game, putting the zerg at a great psychologicla disadv. It's possible to beat a bunker rush with 12 hatch as well, but again I don't think match up is imba by game mechanics but it's imba psychologically for zerg players. Until zergs find a way to autowin against a failed bunker rush, terran players will have a big psych adv knowing their rush strategy is much more abusable. | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
He has been known for outstanding midgame timing pushes. Flash is a player who is at an advantage at every stage of the game. He macros micro. As lost wraith says as of now its psychologically tormenting for a Zerg to face the ULTIMATE WEAPON. Just think about Jaedong is an underdog. (wat?) What you gonna do man? People have to start hoping Flash out-innovates himself. Or that an otherwisely out of the world player *JD* rises to challenge. ALSO: Hoejja is the f'ing man. WOW GG vs KAL. Had Kal on his toes making mistakes and sweating the multitask. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:11 AzureEye wrote: @Revy: Recent statistics alone do not prove anything. First of all, you're leaving out the skill level of all the players and the map pool. Secondly, statistics as small as 30 or 40 games don't mean crap, this game is 10 years old, you have to look at the bigger picture with a large sample amount. Metagame will always change, you can't look at recent data alone, you have to look at older data as well to understand the matchup better. You have to consider who played who, and under what conditions. Why can't you just admit TvZ is the most imbalanced matchup ever? And always will be How TvZ is balanced now is what matters not how it has been balanced in the past. Oov's run tells you nothing about what TvZ balance is right now, games from that far back have no bearing. Statistics as small as 30-40 games? I'm looking at a sample of over 170 TvZ. More would be better but all in all thats not that bad. As for the skill levels that's the beauty of statistics, it all comes out in the wash. Sure it's not perfect I suppose technically zergs could have been disadvantaged in a disproportionate number of matches but a sample size of 170 is sufficient to draw some conclusions. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 20 2010 04:13 Mortician wrote: Was it Hoejja's brilliant play or Kal's mistake to not leave reavers and HT at his bases? Er did you guys even watch the same game I did? I saw Hoejja tearing down bases while HT's stormed and reavers defended. Hoejja plagued reavers with defilers, continuously dropped lings EVERYWHERE, and controlled the mid. It wasn't so much a "mistake" as it was Kal trying to take the initiative and then getting outmaneuvered by just ridic multitask on Hoejja's part. P can't really split up their ball of death into 8 different little parts. Hoejja could with good obs sniping and lurker defense in the mid. That game was most definitely Hoejja playing amazing not Kal massively noobing. I'm really amazed people aren't impressed by this game and feel the need to complain about bunker rushing instead. Bunker rushes have been around forever. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2010 03:02 AzureEye wrote: Its common knowledge. Just like how we know air exists but its very difficult to prove that it does. Analysis of matchups cannot be objective unless we say obvious things like Drones have 40 health Yes, it's "common knowledge", just like Z>P and P>T. The game is circularly balanced, and by some counts, TvZ is the fairest of the 3 matchups (certainly there are way more people who whine about PvZ and TvP). | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On January 20 2010 06:23 TheYango wrote: Yes, it's "common knowledge", just like Z>P and P>T. The game is circularly balanced, and by some counts, TvZ is the fairest of the 3 matchups (certainly there are way more people who whine about PvZ and TvP). People complaining just means there are more pussy P players and T players than Zerg players =D! I kid, but number of complaints is hardly a good way to measure imbalance. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2010 06:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: People complaining just means there are more pussy P players and T players than Zerg players =D! I kid, but number of complaints is hardly a good way to measure imbalance. I'm aware of that, my point is that, while the opinion that slight imbalances exist is "common knowledge", those that say ZvT is the most imbalanced of matchups are probably in the decided minority. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On January 20 2010 06:27 TheYango wrote: I'm aware of that, my point is that, while the opinion that slight imbalances exist is "common knowledge", those that say ZvT is the most imbalanced of matchups are probably in the decided minority. Thats probably because the Zergs on TL have probably been so damn used to it over a period of last 10 years that they just died out/gave up And we all know that the whinest forum users are Terran users who complain about PvT (plus me) Thats hardly a good way to measure imbalance | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On January 20 2010 06:27 TheYango wrote: I'm aware of that, my point is that, while the opinion that slight imbalances exist is "common knowledge", those that say ZvT is the most imbalanced of matchups are probably in the decided minority. Really? I just looked at the stats for Proleague in '09-'10, '08-'09, '08, and '07 rounds 1 and 2... and TvZ is stastically the most imbalanced in every one except '07 round 2. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2010 07:12 QuakerOats wrote: Really? I just looked at the stats for Proleague in '09-'10, '08-'09, '08, and '07 rounds 1 and 2... and TvZ is stastically the most imbalanced in every one except '07 round 2. Because statistics about games played clearly reflects peoples' opinions? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
On January 20 2010 05:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: Er did you guys even watch the same game I did? I saw Hoejja tearing down bases while HT's stormed and reavers defended. Hoejja plagued reavers with defilers, continuously dropped lings EVERYWHERE, and controlled the mid. It wasn't so much a "mistake" as it was Kal trying to take the initiative and then getting outmaneuvered by just ridic multitask on Hoejja's part. P can't really split up their ball of death into 8 different little parts. Hoejja could with good obs sniping and lurker defense in the mid. That game was most definitely Hoejja playing amazing not Kal massively noobing. I'm really amazed people aren't impressed by this game and feel the need to complain about bunker rushing instead. Bunker rushes have been around forever. I watched the vod today and totally agree that HoeJJa played brilliant. I'm not surprised because his been known for his good ZvP for some time know. When Destination was in the roster he was often sent out to pwn tosses (remember when his burrow lings wrecked havoc in Bisus base, that warmed my heart). | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
It was a really big surprise though, since Kal had already been practicing against Zerg a ton for his series against Jaedong. What I really want is for Luxury to go back to performing like he did in R1 >:/ | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
He'll be back for WL. | ||
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Aduromors
United States279 Posts
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t_co
United States702 Posts
On January 20 2010 09:34 Aduromors wrote: Sending out Calm for ace seemed like a kind of misguided move. Flash has probably been preparing almost exclusively on his TvZ for the MSL. Although It makes sense to send out STX's strongest player for the ace, I'm guessing that if they sent out Kal or Hwasin KT might not have even sent out Flash at all I think they were hoping that Flash would feel apprehensive about revealing in-game timings and hence play subpar, which makes me wonder why Calm didn't smell a cheese coming... | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On January 20 2010 09:34 Aduromors wrote: Sending out Calm for ace seemed like a kind of misguided move. Flash has probably been preparing almost exclusively on his TvZ for the MSL. Although It makes sense to send out STX's strongest player for the ace, I'm guessing that if they sent out Kal or Hwasin KT might not have even sent out Flash at all Just so you know, KT don't know who STX was sending so no matter who they send, Flash would be send out no matter what. | ||
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Highways
Australia6102 Posts
On January 20 2010 06:23 TheYango wrote: Yes, it's "common knowledge", just like Z>P and P>T. The game is circularly balanced, and by some counts, TvZ is the fairest of the 3 matchups (certainly there are way more people who whine about PvZ and TvP). TvP is the most balanced of the matchups. It's only because of the massive Terran whine on TL that people complain about PvT. "14 Nexus is auto win" "DT's are so imba" "OMG recall needs to be nerfed" "All he did was 1a2a3a" "Storms do too much damage" "Carriers are auto win" TvZ is easily the most imba matchup imo. | ||
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sauc
Canada26 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7795 Posts
Sadly if Flash beats JD in the MSL I expect a ton of whine posts like his. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 20 2010 11:02 johnnyspazz wrote: i wish i can witness a protoss own as much as flash is right now soon before sc:bw phases out I'll have faith in Bisu until the end of BW In SCII Savior is going to rape everyone as Protoss On January 20 2010 08:07 SilverskY wrote: There is seriously so much bitching in TL nowadays it's sickening. Flash is good, that's it, please stop crying. Honestly, I don't understand it. Lee Young Ho is untouchable right now and so many people cry about it. What is there to complain about? YES HE'S JUST THAT GOOD When he wins MSL and owns Winner's League, becoming God of all bonjwas, they will stfu. | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 20 2010 15:07 WWJDD wrote: But what if Jaedong beats Flash? It's happened before, and it sure as hell can happen again. Then we go "welp", and we move on. Who the fuck cares who wins as long as we get good games. Because I'm bettting that whoever the winner is will win in an extremely unexciting manner due to the insane skill level of the players involved. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
but on note to haters and complainers, Flash is good, deal with it. This is starcraft, a strategy game for fucks sake; either outplay your opponent or gtfo. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 20 2010 14:31 Xxio wrote: I'll have faith in Bisu until the end of BW In SCII Savior is going to rape everyone as Protoss Honestly, I don't understand it. Lee Young Ho is untouchable right now and so many people cry about it. What is there to complain about? YES HE'S JUST THAT GOOD When he wins MSL and owns Winner's League, becoming God of all bonjwas, they will stfu. People don't really complain less when there's a bonjwa around. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
And glad to see AzureEye being banned for 30 days. Serves him right. | ||
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On January 20 2010 09:45 Highways wrote: TvP is the most balanced of the matchups. It's only because of the massive Terran whine on TL that people complain about PvT. "14 Nexus is auto win" "DT's are so imba" "OMG recall needs to be nerfed" "All he did was 1a2a3a" "Storms do too much damage" "Carriers are auto win" TvZ is easily the most imba matchup imo. One of the things I noticed in pro TvZ, PvT, and ZvP, is if the former lets the latter get to standard late game, the imbalance is greatly in the latter's advantage. | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
terran can gay zerg so hard zerg can gay protoss so hard and protoss can gay terran so hard each of those matchups have a plethora of cheese available to them.. while the reverse dont have as many options. | ||
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BraveNewWorld
United States229 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On January 20 2010 01:30 freelander wrote: When Flash placed his barracks I already started to see this miracolous transformation.. + Show Spoiler + CALM ..A.L C.....M ...L ..A. C.....M ..L.A C.....M CLAM fuckin' LMAO :D did you see the rage in his face right after he typed out? not very Calm of him. | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On January 22 2010 16:56 [X]Ken_D wrote: I was so certain it was going to be Kal vs Flash in the ace match. I know STX has some decently good zerg, but KTF has Flash! Kal would be STX's best chance at winning even though Flash's TvP is pretty good. As long as Kal doesn't do something like 14 nexus, Kal has a good chance at winning. This is the BIGGEST understatement I've ever read in anything related to SC. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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