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Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 08:44:27
January 14 2010 08:43 GMT
#21
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.


I have no idea if your assessment is correct, but I love the chain of thought! So much that a bit more in depth explanation would have been preferred. Potential TLFE topic?
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States692 Posts
January 14 2010 08:44 GMT
#22
On January 14 2010 17:41 Pistoche wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 17:39 Teogamer wrote:
I dislike Flash more but kwanro being in the finals would be really lame. Cant decide who to cheer for ><


lol first post. Did you sign up just to announce how much you hated flash?


been lurking these threads for a while now so decided to make an account while i waited for this thread to be made
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 14 2010 08:44 GMT
#23
Kwanro fighting! Tuning in for some Pikachu action!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
January 14 2010 08:48 GMT
#24
Hoping for a 3-0 for someone so I can sleep early :D
I will shove Kimchi up your ass and watch you writhe in pain.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
January 14 2010 08:52 GMT
#25
Would be cool with some predictions in the OP (even when they´re biased)
DeepGray
Profile Joined October 2008
United States214 Posts
January 14 2010 08:53 GMT
#26
On January 14 2010 17:48 KimchiFriedRice wrote:
Hoping for a 3-0 for someone so I can sleep early :D

Why don't you just sleep and wait for results tomorrow morning?
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 14 2010 08:53 GMT
#27
Nice OP.

Flash'll take this in 3 or 4...
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
January 14 2010 08:53 GMT
#28
Anyone got the time for this match? KST?
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 14 2010 08:54 GMT
#29
On January 14 2010 17:53 bias- wrote:
Anyone got the time for this match? KST?


It's in 30 minutes...
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 14 2010 08:55 GMT
#30
On January 14 2010 17:53 bias- wrote:
Anyone got the time for this match? KST?


18:30KST Check the calendar at the top right of the sidebar for event dates and times...
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
January 14 2010 08:57 GMT
#31
Flash in 4, Kwanro might do something cheesy (like when he played Stork)
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
January 14 2010 08:58 GMT
#32
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.

Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 14 2010 08:58 GMT
#33
-_. fighting
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 14 2010 08:59 GMT
#34
If Flash loses, Kwanro better win the MSL. I'm not accepting anything less than that.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 14 2010 09:03 GMT
#35
On January 14 2010 17:59 Womwomwom wrote:
If Flash loses, Kwanro better win the MSL. I'm not accepting anything less than that.

Haha, Kwanro win MSL? Never gonna happen. The guy couldn't even win 4 pool vs 12 hatch last MSL.
God Bless
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
January 14 2010 09:07 GMT
#36
On January 14 2010 17:58 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.

Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility


Have to remember last seasons MSL where Fantasys mech play (or vulture opening was dominating) even Flash lost to Kwanro. Main thing was that zerg was doing a lot of all in hydra builds vs terran which messed up a lots of terran progamers builds. I bet situation would have been different if dominant build would have been 1 rax CC for many weeks.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 09:09:22
January 14 2010 09:08 GMT
#37
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.


i disagree..

1-> more like ..mechanically (pretty much!) perfect and excellent decision making -> flash jaedong bisu (stork too i guess although his pvz isn't as awesome as his others.) -> pwnage. and craetive builds? flash did create a new TvP, new TvZ...

2-> 'creative counter builds' i guess maybe fantasy and calm or wahtever made some creative builds but look at players like fantasy.. he does amazing when the game goes according to his plan but if anything goes awry he totally fucks up. check those fantasy discussion threads for more info. i guess he's not so creative afterall!

3-> aggressive. lol k no disagreement here
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 14 2010 09:09 GMT
#38
On January 14 2010 18:07 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 17:58 johanes wrote:
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.

Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility


Have to remember last seasons MSL where Fantasys mech play (or vulture opening was dominating) even Flash lost to Kwanro. Main thing was that zerg was doing a lot of all in hydra builds vs terran which messed up a lots of terran progamers builds. I bet situation would have been different if dominant build would have been 1 rax CC for many weeks.

I blame fantasy for Flash's slump last season.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
January 14 2010 09:10 GMT
#39
Someone post that Chill Kwanro 8z9z0z1a2a3a4a GG pic
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 14 2010 09:10 GMT
#40
GO KWANRO, RAPE THIS IMBA NOOB!
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