On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: 3 different types of progamers
1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.
2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).
3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.
Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.
I have no idea if your assessment is correct, but I love the chain of thought! So much that a bit more in depth explanation would have been preferred. Potential TLFE topic?
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: 3 different types of progamers
1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.
2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).
3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.
Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.
Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: 3 different types of progamers
1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.
2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).
3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.
Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.
Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility
Have to remember last seasons MSL where Fantasys mech play (or vulture opening was dominating) even Flash lost to Kwanro. Main thing was that zerg was doing a lot of all in hydra builds vs terran which messed up a lots of terran progamers builds. I bet situation would have been different if dominant build would have been 1 rax CC for many weeks.
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: 3 different types of progamers
1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.
2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).
3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.
Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.
i disagree..
1-> more like ..mechanically (pretty much!) perfect and excellent decision making -> flash jaedong bisu (stork too i guess although his pvz isn't as awesome as his others.) -> pwnage. and craetive builds? flash did create a new TvP, new TvZ...
2-> 'creative counter builds' i guess maybe fantasy and calm or wahtever made some creative builds but look at players like fantasy.. he does amazing when the game goes according to his plan but if anything goes awry he totally fucks up. check those fantasy discussion threads for more info. i guess he's not so creative afterall!
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote: 3 different types of progamers
1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.
2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).
3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.
Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.
Might be true up to certain point, but lets not forget that flash's main skill is his decision making. That, combined with mastering build thats proved to be really strong against everything, means basically invicibility
Have to remember last seasons MSL where Fantasys mech play (or vulture opening was dominating) even Flash lost to Kwanro. Main thing was that zerg was doing a lot of all in hydra builds vs terran which messed up a lots of terran progamers builds. I bet situation would have been different if dominant build would have been 1 rax CC for many weeks.
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