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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 15 2010 02:08 GMT
#1081
On January 15 2010 10:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 10:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 15 2010 09:27 Jayme wrote:
On January 15 2010 06:19 SimonB wrote:
I'm almost more glad to see Kwanro lose than Flash win. It would really be a travesty of fate if he made it to two consecutive MSL finals.

IMO, the progamer with the most amount of success for such little talent and inspiration.


What exactly do you know?

I find it AMAZING that people still think that Kwanro is some skillless scrub even after making it to an MSL FInal and then the Semi's a season later.

Kwanro is actually damn good all around but he just rushes often. Kwanro does not have a weak lategame...


uh kwanro isn't very good, there are zergs with far better early-game execution, and zergs with far better lategame management. Jaedong, Effort, Calm, yarnc & luxury when they play well, by.hero, and zero are all better players overall than Kwanro.

When yarnc/luxury/by.hero are playing poorly, which is a large percentage of the time, it could be said that Kwanro is a "top 5 zerg", but the claim is wholly meaningless. the guy is really nothing special, and has benefitted from comparatively easy draws in both the last MSL and this one


Stork/Zero/Flash/Iris was a pretty good silver run and Bogus/Light/Flash isn't that bad. Particularly beating Flash and Light in series games.

I mean I guess you can rationalize it as Flash was in one of "those" phases and Light decided to channel a bit of Sea and choke his ass off vs Zergs in a tournaments but, all said and done, Kwanro beats good players when it matters pretty often -- more often than any zerg not named Jaedong, Calm, and maaaaaybe Zero.


the names aren't important. kwanro was basically handed most of those games.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 15 2010 02:21 GMT
#1082
GJ Flash. Getting to both finals is incredible. Now you have to take at least OSL!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 15 2010 02:35 GMT
#1083
On January 15 2010 11:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 10:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 15 2010 10:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 15 2010 09:27 Jayme wrote:
On January 15 2010 06:19 SimonB wrote:
I'm almost more glad to see Kwanro lose than Flash win. It would really be a travesty of fate if he made it to two consecutive MSL finals.

IMO, the progamer with the most amount of success for such little talent and inspiration.


What exactly do you know?

I find it AMAZING that people still think that Kwanro is some skillless scrub even after making it to an MSL FInal and then the Semi's a season later.

Kwanro is actually damn good all around but he just rushes often. Kwanro does not have a weak lategame...


uh kwanro isn't very good, there are zergs with far better early-game execution, and zergs with far better lategame management. Jaedong, Effort, Calm, yarnc & luxury when they play well, by.hero, and zero are all better players overall than Kwanro.

When yarnc/luxury/by.hero are playing poorly, which is a large percentage of the time, it could be said that Kwanro is a "top 5 zerg", but the claim is wholly meaningless. the guy is really nothing special, and has benefitted from comparatively easy draws in both the last MSL and this one


Stork/Zero/Flash/Iris was a pretty good silver run and Bogus/Light/Flash isn't that bad. Particularly beating Flash and Light in series games.

I mean I guess you can rationalize it as Flash was in one of "those" phases and Light decided to channel a bit of Sea and choke his ass off vs Zergs in a tournaments but, all said and done, Kwanro beats good players when it matters pretty often -- more often than any zerg not named Jaedong, Calm, and maaaaaybe Zero.


the names aren't important. kwanro was basically handed most of those games.


That's like saying Flash didn't deserve his OSL Title because Stork just kind of handed those 3 games over in the finals.

I WILL MAKE EVERYTHING A FLASH COMPARISON EVERYTIME
Remember Violet.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 15 2010 02:36 GMT
#1084
On January 15 2010 11:07 Slow Motion wrote:
I thought pikachus were supposed to be strong vs air.

pikachu's accuracy fell when the opponent used flash
( ・´ー・`)
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
January 15 2010 02:41 GMT
#1085
Now Jaedong just needs to do his part.

(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
January 15 2010 02:42 GMT
#1086
On January 15 2010 11:36 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 11:07 Slow Motion wrote:
I thought pikachus were supposed to be strong vs air.

pikachu's accuracy fell when the opponent used flash

lol nice
Denotate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada294 Posts
January 15 2010 02:52 GMT
#1087
Game 3, just after 1:00...

HE DRINKS HIS PIMP JUICE
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 15 2010 02:57 GMT
#1088
Flash lost game 2 because he twitched. Perfectly visible at 0:34 of set 2 (according to VOD on jon747 channel)
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 03:21:25
January 15 2010 03:21 GMT
#1089
On January 15 2010 11:57 Lebesgue wrote:
Flash lost game 2 because he twitched. Perfectly visible at 0:34 of set 2 (according to VOD on jon747 channel)
Nah it was just because he was kinda being an idiot. It happens to everyone.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 15 2010 03:36 GMT
#1090
On January 15 2010 12:21 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 11:57 Lebesgue wrote:
Flash lost game 2 because he twitched. Perfectly visible at 0:34 of set 2 (according to VOD on jon747 channel)
Nah it was just because he was kinda being an idiot. It happens to everyone.


I suspect there is a strong positive correlation between twitching and stupid mistake
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 16:36:30
January 15 2010 03:40 GMT
#1091
Double post...
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 15 2010 03:44 GMT
#1092
I thought twitching means he goes into terminator mode?
Jaedong
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 15 2010 04:20 GMT
#1093
On January 15 2010 10:02 dukethegold wrote:
Why do players keep using guardians when most people don't even remember the last time that it worked?

Say hi to Outsider.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 15 2010 04:40 GMT
#1094
On January 15 2010 12:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I thought twitching means he goes into terminator mode?

That's what I thought too...
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
January 15 2010 05:53 GMT
#1095
On January 15 2010 13:40 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 12:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I thought twitching means he goes into terminator mode?

That's what I thought too...

I think twitching toggles it on and off~
this is my quote.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 15 2010 10:43 GMT
#1096
Just watched the games.

Kwanro you are bad. It's like you put yourself in good sitautions until mid-game, where you transform into some b-team zerg.
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 15 2010 10:46 GMT
#1097
On January 15 2010 19:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Just watched the games.

Kwanro you are bad. It's like you put yourself in good sitautions until mid-game, where you transform into some b-team zerg.


I think he just decided he needed to scourge some clowns.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
January 15 2010 11:29 GMT
#1098
On January 15 2010 19:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Just watched the games.

Kwanro you are bad. It's like you put yourself in good sitautions until mid-game, where you transform into some b-team zerg.

It was really just the wrong choice of builds. Personally, I hate seeing zergs go for guardians because It seems like 90% of the games they just die without doing any damage. All Flash had to do was make some wraith and Kwanro got squashed.
GANDHISAUCE
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
January 15 2010 12:35 GMT
#1099
8 rax ban pl0x

Seriously, 8 rax is so gay.
I will eat you alive
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
January 15 2010 14:54 GMT
#1100
On January 15 2010 20:29 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 19:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Just watched the games.

Kwanro you are bad. It's like you put yourself in good sitautions until mid-game, where you transform into some b-team zerg.

It was really just the wrong choice of builds.

B-team zerg's kind of choice!
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