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Kentucky
Profile Joined November 2009
United States63 Posts
January 14 2010 09:11 GMT
#41
DO IT FLASH
Kentucky
Profile Joined November 2009
United States63 Posts
January 14 2010 09:12 GMT
#42
I'm 23 and I'm sitting in my apartment watching Koreans play a videogame and I'm rooting so hard for one of the Koreans because I desperately want him to beat the other Korean

is this weird?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 14 2010 09:12 GMT
#43
On January 14 2010 18:03 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 17:59 Womwomwom wrote:
If Flash loses, Kwanro better win the MSL. I'm not accepting anything less than that.

Haha, Kwanro win MSL? Never gonna happen. The guy couldn't even win 4 pool vs 12 hatch last MSL.


Hey you never know. This MSL is sponsored by NATE after all.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 09:16:13
January 14 2010 09:12 GMT
#44
On January 14 2010 18:08 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.


i disagree..

more like ..mechanically (pretty much!) perfect and excellent decision making -> flash jaedong bisu (stork too i guess although his pvz isn't as awesome as his others.) -> pwnage. and craetive builds? flash did create a new TvP, new TvZ...

'creative counter builds' i guess maybe fantasy and calm or wahtever made some creative builds but look at players like fantasy.. he does amazing when the game goes according to his plan but if anything goes awry he totally fucks up. check those fantasy discussion threads for more info. i guess he's not so creative afterall!

aggressive. lol k no disagreement here


Perhaps should have added that 1. and 2. cycles (meaning Fantasy was one point leading TvZ build rest of terrans (there could be more who masters fantasys play that point) are going to be 2. and some will fall to 3.)

So when they drop out of 1. they need to master new build untill again some guys makes new build again.

Usually whoever are 1. progamers earns most money. Money is the thing that 2. will make new builds.

This is just my theory, but mainly I have applied it to WC3 builds. Nowdays there are no new builds anymore, so same guys keeps winning.

SC is different because there are still "lots of" money to be shared.
Kentucky
Profile Joined November 2009
United States63 Posts
January 14 2010 09:14 GMT
#45
Anyone know who we're watching on MBC right now?

Some first-person TvZ?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
January 14 2010 09:17 GMT
#46
Cheering for Kwanro. Swarm fighting.
TranslatorBaa!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7802 Posts
January 14 2010 09:17 GMT
#47
[image loading]
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
January 14 2010 09:18 GMT
#48
On January 14 2010 18:14 Kentucky wrote:
Anyone know who we're watching on MBC right now?

Some first-person TvZ?

Firebathero vs Hogil
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Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
January 14 2010 09:19 GMT
#49
On January 14 2010 18:17 Vasoline73 wrote:
[image loading]


Ahahaha I have not seen this before. Fuckin A+.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 14 2010 09:19 GMT
#50
On January 14 2010 18:19 Xinliben wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 18:17 Vasoline73 wrote:
[image loading]


Ahahaha I have not seen this before. Fuckin A+.

Except I think Kwanro got raped that game. =(
God Bless
KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 09:21:20
January 14 2010 09:20 GMT
#51
[image loading]

"No Lair" sign is da bomb!
I will shove Kimchi up your ass and watch you writhe in pain.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
January 14 2010 09:21 GMT
#52
http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/

(So, my school isn't getting serious until like February, so I can continue doing streams and shit.)
POGGERS
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 14 2010 09:21 GMT
#53
On January 14 2010 18:19 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 18:19 Xinliben wrote:
On January 14 2010 18:17 Vasoline73 wrote:
[image loading]


Ahahaha I have not seen this before. Fuckin A+.

Except I think Kwanro got raped that game. =(


yeah he lost, against whoever it was
beep boop
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 14 2010 09:21 GMT
#54
On January 14 2010 18:21 konadora wrote:
http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/

(So, my school isn't getting serious until like February, so I can continue doing streams and shit.)

We knew you couldn't resist us. =D
God Bless
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2228 Posts
January 14 2010 09:21 GMT
#55
On January 14 2010 18:12 Kentucky wrote:
I'm 23 and I'm sitting in my apartment watching Koreans play a videogame and I'm rooting so hard for one of the Koreans because I desperately want him to beat the other Korean

is this weird?

I am 26 and at work doing the same. I feel great. Unless flash loses ofc.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 14 2010 09:22 GMT
#56
On January 14 2010 18:12 Kentucky wrote:
I'm 23 and I'm sitting in my apartment watching Koreans play a videogame and I'm rooting so hard for one of the Koreans because I desperately want him to beat the other Korean

is this weird?


no thats fuckin awesome i would totally want to be your friend <3
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
January 14 2010 09:22 GMT
#57
First time i cheer up for a Z player! Damn Flash you cost me my first ban in 5 years of TL!

Advise for Flash: camping don't help TvZ ... you have to grab some courage and get out to take your win.

!!!!Kwanroll time!!!!!


konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
January 14 2010 09:24 GMT
#58
On January 14 2010 18:21 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 18:21 konadora wrote:
http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/

(So, my school isn't getting serious until like February, so I can continue doing streams and shit.)

We knew you couldn't resist us. =D

I think school knows I love tl
POGGERS
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
January 14 2010 09:24 GMT
#59
Aww kona, no chat? Chat's like half the fun in watching these games at 3am in the morning.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 09:26:19
January 14 2010 09:25 GMT
#60
On January 14 2010 18:12 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 18:08 alffla wrote:
On January 14 2010 17:38 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
3 different types of progamers

1. Mastering builds. Players like Flash, Jaedong, Savior, Bisu and the kind belongs here. Mastered one good build (aka 3 hatch muta, Flash TvP etc), weakness: When new builds comes from 2. progamers these are players who suffers.

2. Creative counter builds. Players like Fantasy, Calm etc. Sometimes makes good builds against dominating builds from 1. progamers (Fantasys vulture play). Weakness: Finding that surprise build that gives them enough time to get far leagues before counter gets made (sometimes it gets many tries/loses to get proper build).

3. Aggressive builds. Players like Kwanro and such. They are at best when 1. and 2. Are fighting to get proper counters to their builds. Abuses build order holes. Weakness: Solid play from 1. progamers should beat these guys.

Wonder if Flash plays newly experimented Fantasys late mass vulture switch which he played vs Zero. If he does Kwanro is going to win.


i disagree..

more like ..mechanically (pretty much!) perfect and excellent decision making -> flash jaedong bisu (stork too i guess although his pvz isn't as awesome as his others.) -> pwnage. and craetive builds? flash did create a new TvP, new TvZ...

'creative counter builds' i guess maybe fantasy and calm or wahtever made some creative builds but look at players like fantasy.. he does amazing when the game goes according to his plan but if anything goes awry he totally fucks up. check those fantasy discussion threads for more info. i guess he's not so creative afterall!

aggressive. lol k no disagreement here


Perhaps should have added that 1. and 2. cycles (meaning Fantasy was one point leading TvZ build rest of terrans (there could be more who masters fantasys play that point) are going to be 2. and some will fall to 3.)

So when they drop out of 1. they need to master new build untill again some guys makes new build again.

Usually whoever are 1. progamers earns most money. Money is the thing that 2. will make new builds.

This is just my theory, but mainly I have applied it to WC3 builds. Nowdays there are no new builds anymore, so same guys keeps winning.

SC is different because there are still "lots of" money to be shared.

You do realize that comparing ANYTHING in SC to anything in WC3 will get you flamed on any SC-community related forums?

And wasn't FLASH the one that actually defeated Stork 3-0 because Stork didn't adapt to Flash's own "new" build, plus Flash is the one that uses the new "aggression before mutas" approach in TvZ and overally 2 builds (1 for TvP - the one with fast ups/expos and 1 for TvZ - the one with goliaths transitioning into mnm) were called "Flash build" for a reason?



And lol at op, if Flash likes to turtle watch PvZ replays and tell me which P doesn't like to turtle LOOL
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