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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 04 2010 12:52 GMT
#1141
For OP

(P)Stork won
(T)Flash won
(P)JangBi won
(P)Violet won
(T)Flash vs (P)Stork
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
January 04 2010 12:53 GMT
#1142
On January 04 2010 21:48 darktreb wrote:
People are getting ahead of themselves a bit here....

Flash beating Stork in one game on one of hte rare good TvP maps doesn't mean his TvP is proven again.

But yeah it is still really good - just need to finish off Best and possibly Movie to make a final statement.


The stats for New Tornado are 2-1 PvT, and the stats for New Tornado + Tornado are 3-3 PvT in total, so we can't really say if it's a good TvP map yet.


But your point definately stands. Flash has gotten smacked around so much by the big Protosses that one or two wins vs these same players isn't enough yet.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 04 2010 12:53 GMT
#1143
On January 04 2010 21:48 darktreb wrote:
People are getting ahead of themselves a bit here....

Flash beating Stork in one game on one of hte rare good TvP maps doesn't mean his TvP is proven again.

But yeah it is still really good - just need to finish off Best and possibly Movie to make a final statement.

I agree, one really short game isn't enough.
It's still just scary though when you think about how it's clearly his weakest matchup
beep boop
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 04 2010 12:53 GMT
#1144
Let's save the b-word talk for after he cinches the OSL win...it would be pretty embarassing to have him suddenly drop the finals to Shine or something. Oh god.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
January 04 2010 12:55 GMT
#1145
flash's games just don't appeal to me...
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 04 2010 12:56 GMT
#1146
On January 04 2010 21:53 Hinanawi wrote:
Let's save the b-word talk for after he cinches the OSL win...it would be pretty embarassing to have him suddenly drop the finals to Shine or something. Oh god.


I don't want to think about such possibility. Flash HAS TO take this OSL.
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
January 04 2010 12:58 GMT
#1147
On January 04 2010 21:56 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 21:53 Hinanawi wrote:
Let's save the b-word talk for after he cinches the OSL win...it would be pretty embarassing to have him suddenly drop the finals to Shine or something. Oh god.


I don't want to think about such possibility. Flash HAS TO take this OSL.


Shine winning this OSL will be so saddening.
But, I expect the semi-finals B with Movie vs Shine will be a lot more entertaining than Flash 3-0 or 3-1'ing either of them in the finals.
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
January 04 2010 13:00 GMT
#1148
On January 04 2010 21:48 ColdLava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 21:46 ggrrg wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:39 ColdLava wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:37 Xiphos wrote:
I think StarCraft is pretty much figured out already. To beat Flash, play FUCKING standard and try to keep up with him. Pretty soon all Terrans will copy Flash and any matchup vs Terran is pretty much set up.


You don't know howwwww many people have said that over and over again. People have said that the whole last decade. Flash looks invincible right now as have other players that have simply dominated for a long time but those players will always fall.


Yes, they do. When they get old.
Flash is just 17. He might just as well dominate for a while until his era passes.


Yeah because players getting old is exactly the reason why they fail. You make it sound like being 20 years old or something is detrimental lol


Gotta go to the military bro, after that your career is pretty much over.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-04 13:08:29
January 04 2010 13:08 GMT
#1149
why would shine winning the OSL be saddening? if he beats flash in an awesome series whats wrong with it? give this guy some respect.

kwanro winning the MSL is the only thing that would be sad. no sad is not strong enough. the day kwanro wins a title i hope the earth dies
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 04 2010 13:11 GMT
#1150
On January 04 2010 22:08 Djin)ftw( wrote:
why would shine winning the OSL be saddening? if he beats flash in an awesome series whats wrong with it? give this guy some respect.

kwanro winning the MSL is the only thing that would be sad. no sad is not strong enough. the day kwanro wins a title i hope the earth dies
lol if shine wants to beat flash he would need to find himself a hyperbolic time chamber. that being said, flash wont lose to cheese so easily so if he does beat flash it would probably be entertaining
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
January 04 2010 13:11 GMT
#1151
On January 04 2010 21:46 GTR wrote:
i really do think, if flash wins both osl and msl, i think it is safe to assign the sixth b-word to him.

i mean, look at this;

made the osl semi-finals in his first attempt at the offline qualifiers
made the msl in his second attempt at the offline qualifiers
was on the proleague entries 2 months after his debut

now tell me, who has had similar success like that? no one.

in my 7 or so years of watching progaming, i have never felt so invigorated and excited by flash's dominating play. the last player i felt similar to this 'feeling' was iloveoov, and that was back in 2004.


Again, I think it's too early. Flash is without a doubt playing like a bonjwa. The key distinction between playing like a bonjwa and being a bonjwa is the amount of time you can keep it up. Flash's utter domination of this season is a strong argument but he needs to win a SL here and then maintain it for at least one more season.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
January 04 2010 13:15 GMT
#1152
On January 04 2010 22:11 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 21:46 GTR wrote:
i really do think, if flash wins both osl and msl, i think it is safe to assign the sixth b-word to him.

i mean, look at this;

made the osl semi-finals in his first attempt at the offline qualifiers
made the msl in his second attempt at the offline qualifiers
was on the proleague entries 2 months after his debut

now tell me, who has had similar success like that? no one.

in my 7 or so years of watching progaming, i have never felt so invigorated and excited by flash's dominating play. the last player i felt similar to this 'feeling' was iloveoov, and that was back in 2004.


Again, I think it's too early. Flash is without a doubt playing like a bonjwa. The key distinction between playing like a bonjwa and being a bonjwa is the amount of time you can keep it up. Flash's utter domination of this season is a strong argument but he needs to win a SL here and then maintain it for at least one more season.



true. jd also was tearing shit up in PL and won 2 back to back titles and still wasnt considered bonjwa.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 04 2010 13:16 GMT
#1153
On January 04 2010 22:15 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 22:11 revy wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:46 GTR wrote:
i really do think, if flash wins both osl and msl, i think it is safe to assign the sixth b-word to him.

i mean, look at this;

made the osl semi-finals in his first attempt at the offline qualifiers
made the msl in his second attempt at the offline qualifiers
was on the proleague entries 2 months after his debut

now tell me, who has had similar success like that? no one.

in my 7 or so years of watching progaming, i have never felt so invigorated and excited by flash's dominating play. the last player i felt similar to this 'feeling' was iloveoov, and that was back in 2004.


Again, I think it's too early. Flash is without a doubt playing like a bonjwa. The key distinction between playing like a bonjwa and being a bonjwa is the amount of time you can keep it up. Flash's utter domination of this season is a strong argument but he needs to win a SL here and then maintain it for at least one more season.



true. jd also was tearing shit up in PL and won 2 back to back titles and still wasnt considered bonjwa.


JD didn't hit 240....
8==========))
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 04 2010 13:17 GMT
#1154
On January 04 2010 22:16 kyzers0ze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 22:15 Black Gun wrote:
On January 04 2010 22:11 revy wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:46 GTR wrote:
i really do think, if flash wins both osl and msl, i think it is safe to assign the sixth b-word to him.

i mean, look at this;

made the osl semi-finals in his first attempt at the offline qualifiers
made the msl in his second attempt at the offline qualifiers
was on the proleague entries 2 months after his debut

now tell me, who has had similar success like that? no one.

in my 7 or so years of watching progaming, i have never felt so invigorated and excited by flash's dominating play. the last player i felt similar to this 'feeling' was iloveoov, and that was back in 2004.


Again, I think it's too early. Flash is without a doubt playing like a bonjwa. The key distinction between playing like a bonjwa and being a bonjwa is the amount of time you can keep it up. Flash's utter domination of this season is a strong argument but he needs to win a SL here and then maintain it for at least one more season.



true. jd also was tearing shit up in PL and won 2 back to back titles and still wasnt considered bonjwa.


JD didn't hit 2400....

8==========))
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 04 2010 13:18 GMT
#1155
Yep, no b-word talk until Flash wins OSL and keeps up his domination for another couple months at least, imo.

Click the spoiler to see how Flash's dominance has unfolded so far this season, though. Just unreal:

+ Show Spoiler +


Every game played this season:

[image loading]


HyuN is the only 'Loss' who hasn't had righteous vengeance passed on him yet. He'd better watch out next time he faces Flash.

Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 04 2010 13:18 GMT
#1156
If Flash wins two titles at once you'd be insane not to consider him Bonjwa. Bonjwa isn't a length of time, it's just...being above. Better. Undisputably better than everyone without reproach. Stork and Best shook him up in Bo1s, but Flash has countered Stork and now has the opportunity to crush Best -- and is off to a good start on the latter.
Remember Violet.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
January 04 2010 13:24 GMT
#1157
will anyone do interview?
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 04 2010 13:26 GMT
#1158
On January 04 2010 22:17 kyzers0ze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 22:16 kyzers0ze wrote:
On January 04 2010 22:15 Black Gun wrote:
On January 04 2010 22:11 revy wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:46 GTR wrote:
i really do think, if flash wins both osl and msl, i think it is safe to assign the sixth b-word to him.

i mean, look at this;

made the osl semi-finals in his first attempt at the offline qualifiers
made the msl in his second attempt at the offline qualifiers
was on the proleague entries 2 months after his debut

now tell me, who has had similar success like that? no one.

in my 7 or so years of watching progaming, i have never felt so invigorated and excited by flash's dominating play. the last player i felt similar to this 'feeling' was iloveoov, and that was back in 2004.


Again, I think it's too early. Flash is without a doubt playing like a bonjwa. The key distinction between playing like a bonjwa and being a bonjwa is the amount of time you can keep it up. Flash's utter domination of this season is a strong argument but he needs to win a SL here and then maintain it for at least one more season.



true. jd also was tearing shit up in PL and won 2 back to back titles and still wasnt considered bonjwa.


JD didn't hit 2400....



Flash also didnt have to play in MSL semis, OSL finals and PL finals.

Jaedong just had a bad luck with scheduling. If they were at least two weeks apart, Jaedong could have won a Treble for sure.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 04 2010 13:48 GMT
#1159
On January 04 2010 22:00 Noxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 21:48 ColdLava wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:46 ggrrg wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:39 ColdLava wrote:
On January 04 2010 21:37 Xiphos wrote:
I think StarCraft is pretty much figured out already. To beat Flash, play FUCKING standard and try to keep up with him. Pretty soon all Terrans will copy Flash and any matchup vs Terran is pretty much set up.


You don't know howwwww many people have said that over and over again. People have said that the whole last decade. Flash looks invincible right now as have other players that have simply dominated for a long time but those players will always fall.


Yes, they do. When they get old.
Flash is just 17. He might just as well dominate for a while until his era passes.


Yeah because players getting old is exactly the reason why they fail. You make it sound like being 20 years old or something is detrimental lol


Gotta go to the military bro, after that your career is pretty much over.


By the time Flash goes to military service in Korea... Starcraft 2 SHOULD be out by then!
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 04 2010 13:52 GMT
#1160
On January 04 2010 21:41 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 21:37 Xiphos wrote:
I think StarCraft is pretty much figured out already. To beat Flash, play FUCKING standard and try to keep up with him. Pretty soon all Terrans will copy Flash and any matchup vs Terran is pretty much set up.


i think u dont understand how much gamesense is involved in flashs play. its always easier to copy guys like e.g. jaedong who takes solid strategies and turns them into rape by supreme mechanics than to copy a guy like flash for whom gamesense, timing and mechanics are equally vital.

This. As Day[9] says, look for when and where Flash decides to use his scans during a VOD or replay. His game sense is impeccable. He always seems to know exactly where to scan, what to scan for, and he always seems to know just when and where things are going to come.

That, and in many games he shows that he can just stroll "blindly" across the map. In one of his recent OSL games, he exhibited late game map control against a Hive tech Zerg and was able to move about freely despite the presence of ultraling, defiler, and mass scourge. I was absolutely going "Wow wtf" when he had his Vessels SEPARATED from the rest of his army and just kept moving them around. I don't think I know any other player that can just isolate his ENTIRE VESSEL CLOUD from the rest of his army and just move it about as he pleases, letting the Vessels die and just remaking them later.

In the same game, he moved out with his MnM tank push BEFORE his vessel came out. How many Terran players would push out before the vessel came out? It takes an incredible game sense and even some mental willpower to do something like that.

It's absolutely unfathomable, even the best Zerg players look like they are playing like crap against Flash. Except they're not playing like crap, Flash just knows when he can exploit his opponents and when he can move about freely.

Day[9] often says that Flash's strength is making his opponents do what HE wants them to. He forces them to play his game, and that is an extremely scary talent.

His game sense reminds me of Savior during Shinhan 3, it's like Savior's defense was just impenetrable until he was ready to roll his opponent into the ground.
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