EPT[R&S] EVER 2009 OSL - Page 7
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ptz
Romania251 Posts
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
On December 11 2009 23:17 mmgoose wrote: Oh man, can you imagine Jaedong winning an OSL with a run of Flash, Calm, Stork? EPIC Were that to happen, I sincerely believe that the world would implode. He'll then have proven himself the best ever, I should say. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
God I want a Flash vs Stork Finals rematch. It'd make me so happy. :3 | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
I guess it's nice that we're guaranteed a Flash vs. Jaedong showdown, but I would've preferred it to happen in the finals :p | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On December 11 2009 23:17 mmgoose wrote: maps are sooo stacked against jd not to mention up against a bonjwa level FvZ. if jaedong wins this series and goes on to snatch another osl then it's bonjwa time. How are the maps stacked against Jaedong? There's a reason there's only 1 Terran in this ro8, and it's not a magical simultaneous slump hitting every other T player. | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
On December 11 2009 23:17 mmgoose wrote: maps are sooo stacked against jd not to mention up against a bonjwa level FvZ. if jaedong wins this series and goes on to snatch another osl then it's bonjwa time. Fighting Spirit: TvZ: 6-4 (60%) Neo Heartbreak Ridge: TvZ: 1-0 (100%) Eye of the Storm: TvZ: 4-7 (36.4%) How is this imbalanced? Too few games by far have been played on these maps to base an opinion on these numbers. Besides, S-class players often seem to transcend map imbalances purely because they're so awesome. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Pretty much the defintion of balanced. 6-4 spread, and the number of TvT and ZvZ matches is even (showing that both Ts and Zs are about equally confident on the map) Heartbreak Ridge Neo HBR is too new to draw meaningful stats, but looking at the old one we see 25-23, with more than two times as many ZvZs as TvTs. Eye of the Storm Still a small sample size to draw any meaningful data from, but Z is ahead 4-7 in TvZ on this map so far. The first two maps are very even, and the third might have a slight Z advantage. Saying that JD has map disadvantage is just stupid. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1607 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
well this should do, too bad Flash's neat little TvZ streak ends here, expecting good games! | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
(from here) Did you want to play Jaedong in the ace match? ▲ I wanted to at some point. However, I don’t know why but I think we’ll face each other a lot from now. I’m just happy that we won 3-0 today. eesh, he wasn't kidding | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
On December 12 2009 04:33 Hinanawi wrote: Fighting Spirit Pretty much the defintion of balanced. 6-4 spread, and the number of TvT and ZvZ matches is even (showing that both Ts and Zs are about equally confident on the map) The best number for evaluating confidence is purely race choices from proleague (which is imperfect for various reasons), which shows 39T 32Z 33P. Jaedong is 1-0 vs T (beat Canata) and Flash is 2-0 vs Z (Savior, Kwanro). So this map is basically a wash. Heartbreak Ridge Neo HBR is too new to draw meaningful stats, but looking at the old one we see 25-23, with more than two times as many ZvZs as TvTs. Neo HBR isn't different enough from HBR that we'll see a noticeable shift in balance. The numbers for HBR were 8T/56Z/28P which are ridiculous - clearly this is not a terran map and very much a zerg map. But Jaedong is 1-3 vs T (beat Leta, two losses to fantasy and one to Canata) whereas Flash is 3-2 vs actual zerg progamers (beat hero, july, hoejja, lost to yarnc and effort). I wouldn't put too much stock into those numbers; this map clearly favors zerg. My opinion is that when you have two players at such a high level the map balance is pretty irrelevant as long as it's not ridiculously imbalanced. So maybe Jaedong has a tiny advantage on HBR but I wouldn't consider it significant. Jaedong hasn't really had a strong referendum on his ZvT in a while whereas Flash is on fire TvZ, so this series is really all about how good Jaedong's ZvT is in my mind. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On December 11 2009 23:45 ptz wrote: are the dates for the games known yet ? Yes! I have it all updated now with ro8. (12/18 and 12/25 - bo3s split up into two days) | ||
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On December 12 2009 06:31 Crunchums wrote: The best number for evaluating confidence is purely race choices from proleague (which is imperfect for various reasons), which shows 39T 32Z 33P. Jaedong is 1-0 vs T (beat Canata) and Flash is 2-0 vs Z (Savior, Kwanro). So this map is basically a wash. Neo HBR isn't different enough from HBR that we'll see a noticeable shift in balance. The numbers for HBR were 8T/56Z/28P which are ridiculous - clearly this is not a terran map and very much a zerg map. But Jaedong is 1-3 vs T (beat Leta, two losses to fantasy and one to Canata) whereas Flash is 3-2 vs actual zerg progamers (beat hero, july, hoejja, lost to yarnc and effort). I wouldn't put too much stock into those numbers; this map clearly favors zerg. My opinion is that when you have two players at such a high level the map balance is pretty irrelevant as long as it's not ridiculously imbalanced. So maybe Jaedong has a tiny advantage on HBR but I wouldn't consider it significant. Jaedong hasn't really had a strong referendum on his ZvT in a while whereas Flash is on fire TvZ, so this series is really all about how good Jaedong's ZvT is in my mind. Actually the dearth of terrans on Heartbreak Ridge is from the PvT imbalanace. They're all equal, but if you had to scream imba, I'd go for a Zerg slant on the last map and a Terran slant for the first. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Hopefully there won't be another ZvZ final again. | ||
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