EPT[Spoiler] Movie vs Jaedong Discussion - Page 2
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On June 19 2009 09:34 Shikyo wrote: Maybe JD forgot that this build goes into a 3h muta if they don't get a sair. JD had ran all his lords away before he could see Movies tech. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
1) not really map specific although when going for this type of timing attack a shorter rush distance can be helpful 2) JF and some other gamers go for a dragoon reaver timing attack which does not transition into the late game well at all. 3) it isn't all in because he gets useful tech which can transition later into the late game. it is a timing attack abusing the use of dragoon range before hydra range with the drawback of having a slower 3rd base. 4) if he had been able to see the 4 gateways morphing in movie's main he would have been able to do a few counters: faster ling speed and just make a crap load of them, muta builds would rape this because of the lack of corsairs and with dragoons only doing 10 damage vs mutas = more rape. also JD was super greedy and waits till its too late to place sunkens. even without sacrificing an overlord JD and progamer zergs should know something is up when they see no corsairs | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On June 19 2009 09:36 Oystein wrote: JD had ran all his lords away before he could see Movies tech. progamers should know that if the sair is like 10 seconds late, it won't come at all... they are not going to miss pylons or something retarded like that | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + EE HAN TIMING! | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
not surprised movie knows how to do it too | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On June 19 2009 10:02 Warrior Madness wrote: Didn't Best use this goon timing attack against I think it was Hoejja a while back? (On Colosseum iirc) i don't think it's the same thing. there is a goon reaver timing attack thingy. this was just pure goons | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On June 19 2009 10:08 iCCup.deL wrote: Slump. lol | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
at least thats the way i felt about it. I don't think movie would have beaten jaedong straight up at this particular time in his career he seems quite strong now. well played by movie jaedong probably should have sacked the overlord to discover what was going on. i think the loss of 100 minerals is a better exchange then getting run over by a goon push hehe | ||
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LeperKahn
Romania1846 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
Good timing attacks don't have standard hard counters, only soft counters. That is why they're stable strategies. I disagree that 3 hatch muta would 'roll' this build, although of course it would do better. If Movie had scouted that possibility then 2 cannons in his min line and the dragoons would have kept him safe even with a late templar tech. Mass ranged goons is not weak vs 3 hatch mutalisk and can certainly fend it off, of course he would be pinned in his base for longer. Nothing "lucky" about it. If JD had gone some sort of 3 hatch hydra Why would he be going 3 hatch hydra?  | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 19 2009 11:17 LeperKahn wrote: God damn this is why I keep being raped by what I thought were noob protosses on iccup. They all go for this early dragoon push and I get destroyed! All these new fangled strategies are always used against zergs =[. | ||
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peanutter
Australia165 Posts
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
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ShinyGerbil
Canada519 Posts
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
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