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how are you "a protoss player?"
you should know how to play all three races. i mean, you don't JUST practice ONE RACE, right?
you have an excuse if you're a newby, but if you want to get good at starcraft, even if its just getting good at one race, you should play the opposite match ups as well, just to get a feel for the match up as a whole.
i mean the game has been out for a decade right, i wouldn't be surprised if there aren't people in korea who have all 9 match-ups that are, as they call it, "iccup A level." i mean come on, it's KOREA, and the game has been out for TEN YEARS, right? there SHOULD be some people who are "A level" in all 9 match-ups right?
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I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it.
JD fanbois make me sick.
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On June 19 2009 10:32 VIB wrote:
I was under the impression that it only worked because JD was too focused on hydras and didn't switch to lings. No?
this was my understanding also. I suppose JD decided to just go hydras since he didn't have ling speed researched. I was fucking pulling my hair out during the 3-5 minutes of goons rallied to JD's nat killing hydras as they pop out of their eggs. PURE GOONS! HOW DO YOU NOT MAKE LINGS TO COUNTER PURE GOONS?!?!
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On June 19 2009 13:27 Mania[K]al wrote:
I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it.
JD fanbois make me sick.
Yeah, people wondering in the strategy forum how movie's attack completely assraped one of the best players in the world would make anybody sick. Those fanboy bastards!
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jaedong played to passively against an opponent that needed to take a risk...
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i find it hilarious that people are calling movie's timing attack cheese.
fast expand is all in right guyz derp derp
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On June 19 2009 13:27 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 10:32 VIB wrote:
I was under the impression that it only worked because JD was too focused on hydras and didn't switch to lings. No? this was my understanding also. I suppose JD decided to just go hydras since he didn't have ling speed researched. I was fucking pulling my hair out during the 3-5 minutes of goons rallied to JD's nat killing hydras as they pop out of their eggs. PURE GOONS! HOW DO YOU NOT MAKE LINGS TO COUNTER PURE GOONS?!?!
You need to have the lings up and running, and you need speed.
If JD tries to mass lings when the 3 goons have arrived at his nat, he is going to make like 6 lings at a time. Lings are terrible when they arrive piecemeal, 24 lings would slaughter the goons, 24 lings in waves of 6 would all die and kill like 1 dragoon.
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Jaedong should have reacted to the scouting information he did have. Movie hid the lack of templar/stargate, but the extra goons (3 early) and a spinning core with no sair that Jaedong did see should have given him enough of a hint to prepare.
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On June 19 2009 13:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2009 13:27 Mania[K]al wrote:
I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it.
JD fanbois make me sick. Yeah, people wondering in the strategy forum how movie's attack completely assraped one of the best players in the world would make anybody sick. Those fanboy bastards!
i dont know what u'r talking about ???
i thought this was the registration of a jaedong's look a like contest
lol
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This is not the first time that Jaedong has lost when going 5-Hatch Hydra against a "random" Protoss. I seem to recall that Tempest bounced him out of GOM Season 2 with a timing attack. It wasn't 5-gate Goon in that case, but it was a well-executed timing attack. I'm not certain, but I think he got Jaedong with it twice.
For some reason, Jaedong can be weak to these mid-grade Protosses that bring some kind of special anti-5-Hatch build.
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On June 19 2009 13:27 Mania[K]al wrote:
I like how when JD loses there has to be a 3 page thread to discuss it.
JD fanbois make me sick.
Nice and subtle, according to fanatacist's guide, which type of troll is this one?
On June 19 2009 13:42 NicolBolas wrote:
This is not the first time that Jaedong has lost when going 5-Hatch Hydra against a "random" Protoss. I seem to recall that Tempest bounced him out of GOM Season 2 with a timing attack. It wasn't 5-gate Goon in that case, but it was a well-executed timing attack. I'm not certain, but I think he got Jaedong with it twice.
For some reason, Jaedong can be weak to these mid-grade Protosses that bring some kind of special anti-5-Hatch build.
IIRC, it was the 4 gate 2 archon +1 speedzealot attack that was so popular during that time and is still being extensively used even now!
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Ugh, am I the only one who thinks the spoiler was in it self a spoiler?
I mean if Jaedong wins, it's to be expected. If he loses, OMG make a thread on TL about it
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On June 19 2009 13:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Jaedong should have reacted to the scouting information he did have. Movie hid the lack of templar/stargate, but the extra goons (3 early) and a spinning core with no sair that Jaedong did see should have given him enough of a hint to prepare.
I'm pretty sure he didn't see the core. If he did, then his lackadaisical response is pretty puzzling.
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On June 19 2009 13:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Jaedong should have reacted to the scouting information he did have. Movie hid the lack of templar/stargate, but the extra goons (3 early) and a spinning core with no sair that Jaedong did see should have given him enough of a hint to prepare.
At 4:58 in the vod, Movie sends a dragoon back towards his main just as the scouting ovie flew away. Little later at 5:20 he sends the goon to the ramp above his natural. There's no way JD could have scouted the extra gates or the lack of a SG.
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On June 19 2009 11:52 FieryBalrog wrote:Why would he be going 3 hatch hydra? 
He wouldn't it was just an example of the fact that Movie's build was tailored to 5 hatch hydra and nothing more, that's it.
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I think there were several reason he couldn't catch on to his timing attack of Movie.
1. Movie's building placement was very good; thus, no zergling could snick by to find out.
2. Like the Nal ra pointed out in the commentating, he continuously pumped probes from nexus. If he didn't there was a good change JD could suspect a timing push.
This is just what I thought about it. o_o
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I think protoss play too standard too often.
Builds like this and the potential of them make protoss a strong race. I think it is ok is jaedong gets beat strategically, I think it means starcraft can still be about creative plays and not additions too standard play!
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To the people saying it wasn't all-in, I agree, but I also think Movie would have been quite a bit behind had he not succeeded. Not because I believe he cut probes or anything for the attack, but because he invested so much money in goons. After a 5-hatch hydra gets going, you don't want a pure goon/goon heavy army. All that gas could have been additional templar, and he also didn't get a stargate so his map awareness would have gone down a lot.
It wasn't all in, but the money could have been better spent getting other things. Like everyone else said, it was definitely a timing attack to hit JD right before his hydra upgrades kicked in.
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Movie beating JD isnt a shocker guys...hes only done it what like 4 times now? And Jaedong only BARELY beat Movie in GOM. Hes pretty good vs zerg and a nice rival for JD.
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