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On January 08 2009 01:48 DaasEuGen wrote:
awesome guide and awesome transcription, it really helps me alot, thank you all very much. just one thing: day, do you have a replay where you use this strategy? I learn the most about a specific strategy if i watch a replay of it and i think alot people feel the same.
I played a game on Destination and posted a replay -- it's in this thread somewhere (page 4).
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Wow great stuff day 9! Thanks for your time!
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i hereby pressure you into doing the build-order-from-scratch-thingy cause you need motivation 
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Belgium9952 Posts
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Great stuff day!
I know in a gas heavy build if you ever get a surplus of minerals to start laying down a couple extra hatches, but since we're talking mineral heavy armies, should I leave a chunk of minerals in the bank in case I need to make eleventy zerglings after a large battle, or just keep spending them as they come in?
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Day[9], I have a question.
I tried out the build and it stops Fantasy build opening cold, but this dude followed up with valks so I decided not to make mutas, which kind of screwed my gameplan over.
lawlz like his 4 vulture dropship gets owned (so proud, so proud)
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/4422/replays/0102 1a2a3a4a5aT rageFuryZ.rep
He promptly walked over me with superior macro, as I had 1k mineral 1k gas and not enough hatcheries  I should have made 4 more hatcheries.
Anyway, if the guy goes valks (mixes in like 3 to 4, protected by goliaths, included in push) making any mutalisks gets owned. Moreover, it also protects terran from harass, so no turrets need to be built.
My analysis tells me though that:
1) Valks take a lot of freaking gas. Therefore he won't have many tanks, as in the replay, he had like 4 or 5 when he pushed out.
2) Valks still delay the terran push as if I had muta harassed, so missing mutas doesn't really mean terran pushes out faster.
Solution seems to be:
1) Good scourge micro is needed to snipe valks.
2) The best combination against valk + vulture + gol + tank = swarms of ling + hydra
I didn't implement 2) well at all. Had like 1k min 1k gas lying around because I didn't have enough larvae. But any additional suggestions?
EDIT: holy fucking shit, I just realized this dude had 451 APM... w t f
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Just tried it out.
Thanks Day.
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I'm pissed because I can't try this out on ICCUP (it's hard enough to run into a terren on there, let alone one going mech).
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That was fun to listen to, please make more audio guides
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Great job Day thanks so much
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lol wrong any 3 base terrran can pump 10 facts and outmarco zerg
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Yes I would also want hear some general tips about facing off against valks.
And what about upgrades? Since goliaths fire two missiles and valks a bunch the muta armor absorbs more then facing of against marines so should you uppgrade armor?
I have learned that mutalisks is the way to go against mech because goliath deals 10 damage to a muta (no grades) and you can make a ton of them preventing the terran from leaving his base and while his stuck make a shitload of hydra/ling just like you described it..
When he moves out with alot of muta killing stuff you are ready
Thread with posts similar to my thinking
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61310
Cost: 250 125 valk
Cost 75 25 hydra
For every valk you get a 3,3 hydras or 10 zerglings
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On January 08 2009 08:59 pink)speed wrote:
lol wrong any 3 base terrran can pump 10 facts and outmarco zerg
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I have a question:
It sounds like you're advocating 3hatch, but you say to get gas at 18. This leaves us with lots of money. Do we squeeze in a 4th hatch then?
edit: I mean, or do we wait a bit and place our 4th hatch at a 3rd base?
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Netherlands4540 Posts
Day, theory is nice, but I think you should play some B korean terrans who mech against you on colosseum. If you need a B iccup account to play on and are interested in putting your theory to the test on a high level, feel free to msg me.
If you have already played on that level vs mech on the map colosseum or medusa, I'd really like some reps to go with this.
Overall you make good points.
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I was listening to this on the bus and I nearly burst out laughing when Day9 was like
"Its not that dark swarm is bad.. its SIGNIFICANTLY WOOOORRSSE." I kept smiling throughout the bus ride and I had so many weird stares LOL.
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woah audio!! sweet.
Wow this audio thing is so much better than the written guides.  (written ones are still great)
Awaiting more of your audio commentary! XD
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EPT
