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[G] TvP 10 second faster FD rush

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OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
December 25 2008 02:43 GMT
#1

As promised, I’m doing a couple translations off of Pgr21 (as inspired by SuperJongMan and Super 2 fac). I didn’t realize this was so short, so I’ll do another one after.

Here is the original thread:
http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=daku&page=2&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=1642

Here is the translation:

This is a build that Hwasin showed us on bnet attack

In this build, the first tank comes out about 10 seconds faster than a normal FD build.

In the replay, the tank comes out at 4 minutes 9 seconds.

The build order goes like this:
9.5 supply
10 barracks
10 gas
From here, constant SCVs and get a bunch of marines like in a normal FD.

Here’s the timing from the protoss perspective: In a 1 gate build, if they got a zealot, they will be moving out of their entrance with 3 dragoons at 4:21 into the game. Thus, the 10 second faster first tank gives this rush a large advantage.

I’m everyone knows what to do after this with an FD… take an expo, micro well to push toss back into his main, mine up his natural. *translation end*

I thought this was interesting, should give some unsuspecting tosses a run for their money even if they know what’s coming… just not WHEN 
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
December 25 2008 02:51 GMT
#2
Thanks OMin, though I'm quite curious as to how much this hurts a terran's economy compared to a 12/12 or 11/11 FD. Are there any notes in the comments about this?
~o~ I have returned
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
December 25 2008 02:55 GMT
#3
thanks for the translations
keep it up it is much appreciated
Xstatic
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States765 Posts
December 25 2008 03:06 GMT
#4
As a protoss player, I endorse this guide.

More anti-protoss guides would be nice; we need to improve our micro!
Snow - Protoss the way it was meant to be, one mindgame at a time ^^
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
December 25 2008 03:07 GMT
#5
i am hoping for a tvz next. theres gotta be an awesome full fledged tvz guide there.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7583 Posts
December 25 2008 03:17 GMT
#6
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.
Stuck.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 25 2008 03:18 GMT
#7
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 25 2008 03:21 GMT
#8
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
December 25 2008 03:35 GMT
#9
On December 25 2008 12:21 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?

For real, isn't being the best race in Starcraft enough for you greedy fucks?
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 03:43:11
December 25 2008 03:43 GMT
#10
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.


I'm a super slow reader when it comes to Korean, I was born in cali and lived there all my life... it would take me forever to get through the discussions
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
December 25 2008 06:36 GMT
#11
thanks again for translating these, this is awesome
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 25 2008 07:34 GMT
#12
On December 25 2008 12:35 selboN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2008 12:21 Archaic wrote:
On December 25 2008 12:18 Seraphim wrote:
Wow, 10 seconds? Geez. [no sarcasm btw]


GG imba Terran?

For real, isn't being the best race in Starcraft enough for you greedy fucks?

let's not turn this into a race wars thread. If it's that imbalanced, you would think to just switch races? =O
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 25 2008 11:18 GMT
#13
This strategy is too weak economically. And the tank is only out 5 seconds earlier than with the standard 4.14 tank FDBuild.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 25 2008 11:55 GMT
#14
10 seconds (if executed perfectly) for a build that might cost you 2 scvs is not what I'm looking for.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
December 25 2008 12:26 GMT
#15
omfg so THATS what it is >_> I fucknig hate that build
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 25 2008 12:45 GMT
#16
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.

I thought that you always shift-click everything but the supply depot SCV's...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
losso
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Bulgaria158 Posts
December 25 2008 12:58 GMT
#17
upmagic did this is some Spirit game on bluestorm, i remember it very well... artosis spoke about it.. it's not really new
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
December 25 2008 13:25 GMT
#18
this build feels like worthless taken out of it's "context"..

I mean if one really feels like the opponent and the map is needy for a marginal faster rush then usual then yes,, but that feels like something you worry about at pro level..

For me getting the timing just right might not be happening all that often so that means like 5-10 sek gain...

hrmm.. it's just no good to me
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
December 25 2008 15:11 GMT
#19
On December 25 2008 12:17 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Fuck I feel so guilty for saying this, but the OP in PGR21 is followed by IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.

For example, to get the add-on as fast as possible, you're suppose to shift-click mineral with the scv that's going to build the factory; otherwise, it might waste valuable 2-5 seconds.

I will have time to translate in Feb (after mid-terms) but then there will be too much to translate -_-.

So please, although I (and probobly rest of TL) appreciate this, translate the follow-up discussions as well.


wait when my scv is building my factory, i click on my scv ( green circle) and then i press shift + left click on mineral patch nothing seems to happen, nor does anything happens when i right clic. could u explain please
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
Flopgun
Profile Joined August 2005
Germany274 Posts
December 25 2008 15:17 GMT
#20
thx for translation
Jaedong fighting
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