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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8114 Posts
October 24 2008 22:24 GMT
#41
On October 25 2008 07:23 Pyro]v[aniac wrote:
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On October 25 2008 07:04 Ideas wrote:
If you're able to scout that the T is going mech, I think mutas are too risky (if you don't do enough damage in your window you're fucked). Hydra-Lurker seems much safer.

lurkers are horrible vs mech untill late-game where you can swarm and tanks do zero damage. (really, burrowed units take zero damage from tanks)



Well I mean hydra-tech, so mostly hydras with maybe some lurkers for defense or drops or something.
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Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
October 24 2008 23:53 GMT
#42
On October 23 2008 22:11 d(O.o)a wrote:
9pool speed has never failed me against iccup players in the d/d+/c- level. And considering I almost always open 9pool speed zvt because I practice ling micro way too much and can effectively micro lings while expanding/teching it is just so good against tech builds.

I think 9 pool is good against any Terran build at d/d+/c- level.
~o~ I have returned
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 02:28 GMT
#43
The counter to mech is dark swarm and plague. You need great economy management, but if T starts going mech, savior might actually destroy everyone in 09
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
October 25 2008 02:55 GMT
#44
Play like it's sair dt except no dt's so it's far less annoying. Or make a shit load of hatcherys and zerglings to hopefully take up all the sprites so valks can't fire anything.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 03:03 GMT
#45
On October 25 2008 11:55 IzzyCraft wrote:
Play like it's sair dt except no dt's so it's far less annoying. Or make a shit load of hatcherys and zerglings to hopefully take up all the sprites so valks can't fire anything.


how many zerglings would that be? I thought that only refered to attack sprites as well, not unit sprits...
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Kami
Profile Joined July 2008
United States127 Posts
October 25 2008 07:14 GMT
#46
All in speed lings own!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
October 25 2008 07:26 GMT
#47
On October 25 2008 16:14 Kami wrote:
All in speed lings own!


haha.... fucker

I came here to say that but mine was going to be written out better!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 25 2008 07:28 GMT
#48
On October 25 2008 16:14 Kami wrote:
All in speed lings own!

dats racist
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
October 25 2008 07:29 GMT
#49
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
October 25 2008 07:36 GMT
#50
haha hot_bid, I just wish savior had done it t.t. Or ggplay revenge.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
October 25 2008 07:47 GMT
#51
On October 25 2008 16:28 MrHoon wrote:
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On October 25 2008 16:14 Kami wrote:
All in speed lings own!


+1
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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
October 25 2008 08:02 GMT
#52
On October 25 2008 16:36 AttackZerg wrote:
haha hot_bid, I just wish savior had done it t.t. Or ggplay revenge.

Savior DID beat it, just vs Midas rather than Fantasy.
It's easier not to.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 09:39:41
October 25 2008 09:29 GMT
#53
The build isn't new, it's been used before. I'm sure of it, because even I used it in the past, and I wasn't the one who made it for sure. What's revolutionary is the fact that it's used by progamers, during pro matches - and it's effective.

As to how to counter it... beating mech builds was always about map control and obviously that's still the case here. What changed is that it's harder to maintain, but I don't think that the usual unit mix needs to be changed (muta / ling, hydra with plague / swarm). The perfect unit combination depends on your opponent's mix, and it's very map dependant.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
October 25 2008 09:39 GMT
#54
Way to spoil, HB.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 25 2008 15:30 GMT
#55
haha HB thats hilarious.
On October 25 2008 18:29 True_Spike wrote:
The build isn't new, it's been used before. I'm sure of it, because even I used it in the past, and I wasn't the one who made it for sure. What's revolutionary is the fact that it's used by progamers, during pro matches - and it's effective.

As to how to counter it... beating mech builds was always about map control and obviously that's still the case here. What changed is that it's harder to maintain, but I don't think that the usual unit mix needs to be changed (muta / ling, hydra with plague / swarm). The perfect unit combination depends on your opponent's mix, and it's very map dependant.

ok... if you insist
axel
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
France385 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 16:31:16
October 25 2008 16:30 GMT
#56
fantasy build is just fucking magic. Till now it was 100 % win for me , only few times i lost was because i made huge mistakes vs some cheese allin build.
And 2 hatch muta was for me the easiest strat to win against so i dont advice it from my point of view^^
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
October 25 2008 17:48 GMT
#57
Can borrow work to won the first force Terran has only scan. You can borrow lings have hydra close.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
October 25 2008 18:18 GMT
#58
Why don't we call it the BoxeR build??
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
October 25 2008 18:58 GMT
#59
wow effort's ling all in was subtle, fantasy didn't see it with his scv, effort was so patient in waiting for that one scv to die, he only chased it with one ling so fantasy did not suspect anything at all untill it was too late.

I think Savior's game was more convincing, because he constantly hit the back with muta and the front with hydras, divided the terran army. and he never fought straight up because the harrase allowed him to take a lot of expansions. Trading bases when the terran finally pushes out instead of fighting head on like julyzerg did was the key.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
October 25 2008 19:08 GMT
#60
all in lings duh
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
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