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On October 25 2008 07:23 Pyro]v[aniac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 07:04 Ideas wrote: If you're able to scout that the T is going mech, I think mutas are too risky (if you don't do enough damage in your window you're fucked). Hydra-Lurker seems much safer. lurkers are horrible vs mech untill late-game where you can swarm and tanks do zero damage. (really, burrowed units take zero damage from tanks)
Well I mean hydra-tech, so mostly hydras with maybe some lurkers for defense or drops or something.
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On October 23 2008 22:11 d(O.o)a wrote: 9pool speed has never failed me against iccup players in the d/d+/c- level. And considering I almost always open 9pool speed zvt because I practice ling micro way too much and can effectively micro lings while expanding/teching it is just so good against tech builds. I think 9 pool is good against any Terran build at d/d+/c- level.
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The counter to mech is dark swarm and plague. You need great economy management, but if T starts going mech, savior might actually destroy everyone in 09
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Play like it's sair dt except no dt's so it's far less annoying. Or make a shit load of hatcherys and zerglings to hopefully take up all the sprites so valks can't fire anything.
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On October 25 2008 11:55 IzzyCraft wrote: Play like it's sair dt except no dt's so it's far less annoying. Or make a shit load of hatcherys and zerglings to hopefully take up all the sprites so valks can't fire anything.
how many zerglings would that be? I thought that only refered to attack sprites as well, not unit sprits...
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On October 25 2008 16:14 Kami wrote: All in speed lings own!
haha.... fucker
I came here to say that but mine was going to be written out better!
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On October 25 2008 16:14 Kami wrote: All in speed lings own!
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haha hot_bid, I just wish savior had done it t.t. Or ggplay revenge.
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On October 25 2008 16:28 MrHoon wrote: +1
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On October 25 2008 16:36 AttackZerg wrote: haha hot_bid, I just wish savior had done it t.t. Or ggplay revenge. Savior DID beat it, just vs Midas rather than Fantasy.
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The build isn't new, it's been used before. I'm sure of it, because even I used it in the past, and I wasn't the one who made it for sure. What's revolutionary is the fact that it's used by progamers, during pro matches - and it's effective.
As to how to counter it... beating mech builds was always about map control and obviously that's still the case here. What changed is that it's harder to maintain, but I don't think that the usual unit mix needs to be changed (muta / ling, hydra with plague / swarm). The perfect unit combination depends on your opponent's mix, and it's very map dependant.
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haha HB thats hilarious.
On October 25 2008 18:29 True_Spike wrote: The build isn't new, it's been used before. I'm sure of it, because even I used it in the past, and I wasn't the one who made it for sure. What's revolutionary is the fact that it's used by progamers, during pro matches - and it's effective.
As to how to counter it... beating mech builds was always about map control and obviously that's still the case here. What changed is that it's harder to maintain, but I don't think that the usual unit mix needs to be changed (muta / ling, hydra with plague / swarm). The perfect unit combination depends on your opponent's mix, and it's very map dependant. ok... if you insist
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fantasy build is just fucking magic. Till now it was 100 % win for me , only few times i lost was because i made huge mistakes vs some cheese allin build. And 2 hatch muta was for me the easiest strat to win against so i dont advice it from my point of view^^
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Can borrow work to won the first force Terran has only scan. You can borrow lings have hydra close.
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Why don't we call it the BoxeR build??
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wow effort's ling all in was subtle, fantasy didn't see it with his scv, effort was so patient in waiting for that one scv to die, he only chased it with one ling so fantasy did not suspect anything at all untill it was too late.
I think Savior's game was more convincing, because he constantly hit the back with muta and the front with hydras, divided the terran army. and he never fought straight up because the harrase allowed him to take a lot of expansions. Trading bases when the terran finally pushes out instead of fighting head on like julyzerg did was the key.
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