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Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
September 07 2008 19:27 GMT
#61
apm means u good at controling ur units scaning ur base and so on, but... it can also be pointless if u spaming, try using more hotkeys and make rythme of checking ur base/units and seeing what u can do!
UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
September 07 2008 19:44 GMT
#62
Let me tell you something, even if it's probably what you don't want to be said: don't even look at your APM, just don't. You must focus on doing all things you need to do, nothing more nothing less, if you manage to control everything as you wish (i never felt like that actually ) with just 120 APM that will be good for you.
I believe there's some kind of "economy" of the actions a player can make, trying to just rise your APM means that you end up doing the same things you did before but with more APM, what's the point in that? In this way APM don't represent anymore your multitasking ability, but they become useless.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
September 08 2008 01:13 GMT
#63
Easy, just buy it:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=74864

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Deleted User 31996
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
843 Posts
September 08 2008 06:16 GMT
#64
i agree with equinox

focus on all out macro
create a cycle for yourself so once you do something you run back to your buildings and 4z5z6z7z or 1az2az3az for zerg them and when you see the pings on minimap, go back to the same cycle. Rally them to 1 point, hot key them and send them into a TT's front while you take the map and build more zeals. You'll eventually find yourself locked in a cycle of doing this with minor bumps and peaks along the way.




Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
September 08 2008 06:22 GMT
#65
practice micro and macro.. better yet, multitask.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-08 06:49:43
September 08 2008 06:48 GMT
#66
Anyone have other maps that focus on multitasking? Preferably for toss, but anything is fine.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 08 2008 06:51 GMT
#67
In my opinion you should try to raise your brain activity. This is by no means in insult, you need to think quick and your hands will move faster with the time. Its much more important to know how to react on all the things that can happen to you.

Strategical knowledge + experience > speed.
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Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
September 08 2008 07:06 GMT
#68
On September 06 2008 16:20 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 13:55 DanceCommander wrote:
On September 06 2008 13:52 Stimpacked wrote:
yeah APM can get stagnant in a certain range like me for example my APM when I start playing was 120-150 and then i started playing iccup so it became like 200-220 for a T player its good enough but im only C-/C level and i really sweat during those hard fought games.


LOL you sweat? Seriously?


July said he plays best when his hands are sweating

thats why he chose the name july. (i read an interview that said so)
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
September 08 2008 07:39 GMT
#69
On September 06 2008 13:56 Equinox_kr wrote:
OK this is literally what I did for like a month to make my APM go up. Do NOTHING but macro. Forget about fighting, or even winning for that matter. Just make sure that you are constantly making units, make that the main reason you're playing. And eventually, you can do it faster so you have time for micro + everything else.

weird thats excatly what i do/did
ils
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zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
September 08 2008 07:59 GMT
#70
APM means nothing really.. i would suggest you to improve your gamesense first, know what the opponent would be doing, and adapt to it beforehand, know and apply some basics, like flanking, macroing, hard counters, and the list goes on.. i have beaten korean dudes with the double APM with my barely 160 APM, sometimes its better to play smart compared to play fast, what im trying to say is, awesome speed with poor knowledge just makes you a fast opponent, good speed with awesome knowledge just makes you a hard opponent, you make your call =D
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Stimpacked
Profile Joined June 2008
Philippines368 Posts
September 08 2008 09:44 GMT
#71
On September 08 2008 16:59 zXk3 wrote:
APM means nothing really.. i would suggest you to improve your gamesense first, know what the opponent would be doing, and adapt to it beforehand, know and apply some basics, like flanking, macroing, hard counters, and the list goes on.. i have beaten korean dudes with the double APM with my barely 160 APM, sometimes its better to play smart compared to play fast, what im trying to say is, awesome speed with poor knowledge just makes you a fast opponent, good speed with awesome knowledge just makes you a hard opponent, you make your call =D


awesome speed and awesome knowledge? but i get your point sometimes if you're too fast you forget some things you're supposed to do or forget your game plan or think any good strategies or whatever... But being fast is also important multitasking requires you to be fast, pushing while expanding while macroing setting new rally points hotkeying etc... But since we're not progamers just focus on winning and APM will slowly follow.
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eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
September 08 2008 09:44 GMT
#72
On September 08 2008 15:51 G.s)NarutO wrote:
In my opinion you should try to raise your brain activity. This is by no means in insult, you need to think quick and your hands will move faster with the time. Its much more important to know how to react on all the things that can happen to you.

Strategical knowledge + experience > speed.


Aren't you that 400 APM Terran?

hehe
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oob
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden630 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-08 10:47:40
September 08 2008 10:47 GMT
#73
I never really thought about "raising APM" as a goal. I jsut played alot learning BOs, getting better gamesense etc, and now I get around 250-300ish constantly. My APM went up, but not my general knowlegde I play Zerg too.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 08 2008 14:12 GMT
#74
On September 07 2008 03:34 a p p ! e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 18:10 Zoler wrote:
This is a good way to raise apm:

Play vs computer and play as fucking fast as you can, spam everywhere. As many games as you want (I did like 5 or something). It teaches you how fast you really can be and you will get faster.

The rules: Keep minerals below 500 and be over 300 apm the whole time (get an apm meter for this).


I didn't think it would change very much but I actually raised my APM from 180 to 220-240 :D


here's where i disagree though

there are actions that are given more priority compared to some others that you'll be taking
some obvious ones have to do with proper building arrangement and the timing of your tech

i've tried that method too, ha ha but it seemed to condition me to forget timings and overlook details. i'm sorry to use myself as an example all the time, and i'll try to look to other ways of expression, lollll . . . i'm sure most of you have your game plans refined and practiced enough to be able to spam for practice and still manage to do everything you want to do (but accomplishing more and more with each game >; ) )

my point is though, i don't recommend this style of practice for newer players, even if it feels fun


I forgot saying this only works when you are at least D+.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
September 08 2008 14:39 GMT
#75
What has being D+ have to do with your APM?
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
September 08 2008 17:26 GMT
#76
Massgames alone definately doesn't raise apm, by much at least. I've played like 1000 games in last year and apm hasn't really raised at all, been at 130-150 the whole time. I don't really care enough about improving myself but I'm not really retarded enough either to not be able to raise it if I knew how exactly and really had interest and time to put into becoming better. Then again, it's a fact you can get to B/B+ at least with 150apm so raising it isn't currently most relevant leak in playing if I can only reach C now.
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-09 10:49:02
September 09 2008 10:34 GMT
#77
On September 08 2008 00:39 SirGlinG wrote:
Don't care so much about your apm. I raised my apm from 80 to your rate, but my skills didn't improve as my apm did, so i can still loose against 70apm dudes. Just play smart and learn more about the game. That's what i didn't do enough.


Well, perhaps that was me. I regularely win against people with way higher APM due to tactics and smart thinking.

But, for all out there saying do not care about APM, learn the game instead, this is plain wrong.

My APM sucks, I play around a 100 (I do not spam).

This bad speed sverely limits my play - e.g., I cannot do lurk/ling/scourge/defiler the way it is meant to be (and I'd want it to be), because my hands are simply to slow.
Even good flanking is nearly impossible with a 120 supply Z army with my speed.
Believe me I know what I would have to do, I just can't.

I.e., . IMO, in any RTS game, a base speed is paramount to mastering it.
Hence, training playing speed, handspeed, more or less well represented by APM, is by all means important.

Those of you telling to ignore APM either don't know enough about Starcraft, or are lucky enough to have been fast enough from the start :-)
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 09 2008 10:46 GMT
#78
On September 09 2008 19:34 Metaspace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 00:39 SirGlinG wrote:
Don't care so much about your apm. I raised my apm from 80 to your rate, but my skills didn't improve as my apm did, so i can still loose against 70apm dudes. Just play smart and learn more about the game. That's what i didn't do enough.


Well, perhaps that was me. I regularely win against people with way higher APM due to tactics and smart thinking.
My APM sucks, I stay between 80 and 100 (I do not spam).

On the other hand, my bad speed sverely limits my play - e.g., I cannot do lurk/ling/scourge/defiler the way it is meant to be (and I'd want it to be), because my hands are simply to slow.
Even good flanking is nearly impossible with a 120 supply Z army with my speed.
Believe me I know what I would have to do, I just can't.

I.e., for all out there saying do not care about APM, learn the game instead, this is plain wrong. IMO, in any RTS game, a base speed is paramount to mastering it.
Hence, training playing speed, handspeed, more or less well represented by APM, is by all means important.


Your hand speed isnt the problem,seems to me youre just lazy.

APM really doesnt mean alot, Hell i can do SK with only 170~~~~Anyway what are most of the actions? 60% hotkeys?? really you could cut that down to 20% and be just fine.

Best way to "improve" APM : Get Better.
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Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-09 10:56:39
September 09 2008 10:54 GMT
#79
On September 09 2008 19:46 arb wrote:

Your hand speed isnt the problem,seems to me youre just lazy.

APM really doesnt mean alot, Hell i can do SK with only 170~~~~Anyway what are most of the actions? 60% hotkeys?? really you could cut that down to 20% and be just fine.

Best way to "improve" APM : Get Better.


Well, I think I have to object here. I do not think I am lazy. I'd desperately want to be better :-)

My hotkey percentage is typically around 23%.
I play Z, I use 1-4 for units, 5-0 for hatcheries. I use F4 for rally point.
I use all these hotkeys in every game.

Still, I peak at 100, on good days (enough sleep etc.) 120.

Edit: P.S.: it is frustrating when you got the superior army, and waste it due to not being able to cast swarm fast enough, select scourges to kill a vessel, or burrow lurks fast enough :-/
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UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
September 09 2008 11:40 GMT
#80
maybe that's a problem of mouse accuracy
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