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minus_human
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thedeadhaji
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On September 26 2007 05:29 Temptations wrote: Anyone have the replay on Bisu vs PokJu[S.G]. Replays of progames are not released. The vod link has been posted in this thread. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On September 26 2007 05:45 thedeadhaji wrote: Replays of progames are not released. The vod link has been posted in this thread. That's GOT to win the prize for most often asked question. It's almost refreshing, haven't seen it in a while | ||
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Temptations
61 Posts
On September 26 2007 05:36 minus_human wrote: My post was deleted? Yeah it was useless, just like this one.... but still, harmless You GOT to win the prize for having a post deleted. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Thats how you can get probes out. Also you can place some early pylons in your mineral line in such a way to not allow opponent to manner pylon you. Its not that difficult Nal_rA does it a lot. In response to that game All he needed to do was pull 3-4 probes and put them on pylons while making his gates faster . | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On September 26 2007 06:37 CharlieMurphy wrote: In response to that game All he needed to do was pull 3-4 probes and put them on pylons while making his gates faster . I really disagree. He's behind already because of the manner Pylon, and you want him to cut Probes AND use one - two extra Probes to attack the Pylon? Then the offensive Protoss is just going to trade Zealots for Probes, putting him even farther behind. | ||
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Shauni
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
I have to agree, I hadn't seen the VOD and I was chuckling through most of it. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 25 2007 14:50 IntoTheWow wrote: Here is the VOD for anyone interested:  Bisu vs PokJu[S.G] @ Sin Peaks of Baekduhttp://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/2893_Bisu_vs_PokJu[S.G]/vod video not available :O here it is on youtube incase anyone gets the same problem (surrounded by two games) | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
What if... once you see his early manner pylon, you plunk down a forge, go cannon cannon expo cannon? Would that stop it? I'm thinking that once you kill his gateways, since the guy invested so much into the rush (first 2 pylons and 2 gateways), you can expo safely and he won't have any units to attack. | ||
micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On September 26 2007 09:48 Purind wrote: I'm having a vision that Chill is thinking the same exact thing, and yes it would probably work.Hmm... poor guy. What if... once you see his early manner pylon, you plunk down a forge, go cannon cannon expo cannon? Would that stop it? I'm thinking that once you kill his gateways, since the guy invested so much into the rush (first 2 pylons and 2 gateways), you can expo safely and he won't have any units to attack. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On September 26 2007 09:19 fusionsdf wrote: video not available :O here it is on youtube incase anyone gets the same problem http://youtube.com/watch?v=1FkbZKE3hr0 (surrounded by two games) Heres a link to the vod alone: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2779983988233511083&hl=es | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On September 26 2007 04:32 Chill wrote: Anyways, this is actually a big problem, because they build the Pylon before you do with normal timing. So if you plan to anti-manner Pylon yourself with normal timing he will have already built the Pylon. If you cut Probes to build yours first, you now have awkward Gateways and you're behind if he plays normal. I disagree. You only need to cut down one probe to do it, and you build it almost inmediately after the pylon. Also remember that he took his 5th probe to send to your base, meaning you will have economical advantage to start with. Your gateways won't be odd if you practice a little where to put them (you can use the same spot bisu used in the vod). Anyone should suspect something is fishy when someone scouts you THAT soon on a 2 player map. Even if you went random. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 26 2007 12:03 IntoTheWow wrote: I disagree. You only need to cut down one probe to do it, and you build it almost inmediately after the pylon. Also remember that he took his 5th probe to send to your base, meaning you will have economical advantage to start with. Your gateways won't be odd if you practice a little where to put them (you can use the same spot bisu used in the vod). Anyone should suspect something is fishy when someone scouts you THAT soon on a 2 player map. Even if you went random. Not only that but you can thwart this bullshit all together if you just take your 7th (or 8th?) probe and put it on the ramp blocking his from getting up, at least until your gate is done. If they don't plan to do the manner pylon, then you will only be behind slightly and they will think you are hiding your base because maybe you proxy'ed elsewhere or something. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On September 26 2007 14:19 CharlieMurphy wrote: Not only that but you can thwart this bullshit all together if you just take your 7th (or 8th?) probe and put it on the ramp blocking his from getting up, at least until your gate is done. If they don't plan to do the manner pylon, then you will only be behind slightly and they will think you are hiding your base because maybe you proxy'ed elsewhere or something. They can click the mineral on the second ramp and go through your mineral. :p | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On September 26 2007 09:48 Purind wrote: Hmm... poor guy. What if... once you see his early manner pylon, you plunk down a forge, go cannon cannon expo cannon? Would that stop it? I'm thinking that once you kill his gateways, since the guy invested so much into the rush (first 2 pylons and 2 gateways), you can expo safely and he won't have any units to attack. that would probably be the best thing to do, assuming u screw up and cant block his manner pylon to begin with (its not hard to stop the manner) | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On September 26 2007 14:28 IntoTheWow wrote: They can click the mineral on the second ramp and go through your mineral. :p wtf it has 40 on it too. Thats cheap. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On September 26 2007 05:29 Temptations wrote: Anyone have the replay on Bisu vs PokJu[S.G]. No replays from Proleague. Only the vod link above. edit: I didn't see the second page TT. | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
He has cut probes to get a faster Pylon 1 second faster TBH. then he will go 9/10 or 9/9 gates he will not do the usual 10/12 so your first gate will seem about the same time but his 2nd is going to be faster. His manner pylon brings the economic advantage that you "would" have even. Now his timing with his zealots will be when you get your first zealot. So now it's 2 zealots vs 1 zealots probes. Good situation at this point right? No it's not he has gates inside your base and 2 more zealots are being built. So now all he has to do is kill probes and he wins. That is the problem vs this build that only a forge/cannon build can stop. | ||
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