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gH-i850
United States7 Posts
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
On July 06 2006 12:01 gH-i850 wrote: one could argue that with this style you would actually have more gas with goliath / vulture to produce vessels. If you consider it most TvZ this day especially with fast xpo builds are using a 2 fac build. Medics (25 gas) Firebats(25 gas) Tanks (100 gas) Vessels (225 gas) owning a T(priceless) sike j/k. Anyway, with metal its just vultures (0 gas) goliaths (50 gas). So in a way you could at a minimum still produce the same amount of vessels with your goliaths as you could with a normal M&M / Tank build. One could argue that you should try it out first before making things up. | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
mutalisks have to get pretty close to attack. mutalisks have a range a bit lower than a marine. goliaths have huge range and have range upgrade. if you can spread out your goliaths and put them in a line instead of a grouped up circle, you can do pretty good if you micro vs the mutas. think about marines arc formation vs lurkers. but if mutas are grouped up and are attacking focus fire or attacking close to the goliaths, they will lose. | ||
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Th_Terran
122 Posts
Just look at Oov, he got PWNed by IXP trying to do mech. | ||
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8882
2737 Posts
NEW PATCH CAME OUT? GOLIATHS HAVE SHIELDS??????????????????????????? the problem with metal, is the fact, that as you are massing goliaths, the opponent is massing mutas + exping using free minerals when you go out - he will destroy your base and be able to retreat his mutas to save main perhaps you will kill the main, but you will lose your own and here is the problem you dont have your main vs a zerg who has 2-3 expos in other scenario the zerg goes hydra+muta and you need to include tanks again the problem is the harass however in some situations, if you harass well at the beginning - perhaps with some sort of drop, it is pretty good basically you just need to slow down the zerg and dont let him expand sometimes you can get 3 valkiries and own huge amounts of mutalisks, but smart zergs switch to hydras and valkiries cost a lot of gas | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On July 06 2006 12:19 8882 wrote: WTF ARE 1-1-1 GOLIATHS? NEW PATCH CAME OUT? GOLIATHS HAVE SHIELDS??????????????????????????? Try playing the game you love posting about so much once in a while, when you see goliaths they have 3 upgrade icons in the wireframe. 1-1-1 I write it as I see it, and if you weren't so eager to surf the waves of flame you would have thought about what you said, and not said it.  | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
On July 05 2006 11:36 Reason wrote: you DONT get both ebay upgrades and both armory upgrades, i'm talking about two different strategies and you would know that if you had bothered to read my posts before jumping at the chance to join in with the crowd. And you get goliaths because they are cool;) they do well against pretty much anything, you can use them for drops (super range, marines being sufficient vs muta doesn't make goliath range irrelevant, catching ovis over water (gogo waste irradiate) and dont get SLAIN by lurkers.  This is a strategy forum and I am discussing a valid strategy and im not breaking any rules, you have absolutely no right to ask that of me, especially since you don't give me any reason whatsoever.What the hell is that supposed to mean you fucking noob..? Are you trying to be funny? You know it's pretty sad that your trying to be funny by making fun of how ridiculous my strat is when I've done it.. if you think I'm joking I've got the replay. So to all .. disappointed  you are the idiot who theorycrafts too much. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On July 06 2006 11:00 Reason wrote: What have I said that's "wrong" dronebabo  Hung didn't you read anything I just said... I'm totally putting the ball in your court here and your still calling me retarded. I refused to support my ideas FURTHER because 1. You were calling me retarded for it 2. I was being told to stop So I did stop, and now I'm a retard because of that. Edit: Chill I can't play tonight I need sleep for work and we in different time zones, I'll come online and whisper you at some point and we can arrange.. you didnt stop, you just stop providing an explanation. although you were doing that before you were told to stop. so either stop or actually support your statements | ||
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Blind
United States2529 Posts
Replays: http://rapidshare.de/files/25160225/mechterran.rar.html | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
On July 06 2006 15:43 Reason wrote: Try playing the game you love posting about so much once in a while, when you see goliaths they have 3 upgrade icons in the wireframe. 1-1-1 I write it as I see it, and if you weren't so eager to surf the waves of flame you would have thought about what you said, and not said it. Goliaths would be upraded 1-1, where it is 1 armour, 1 weapons. There is no third upgrade like in protoss for 1 armour, 1 shield, 1 weapon. The reason why there are 3 upgrades in the wireframe is because the goliath has two weapons, so both get upgraded one, similar to the cruiser. However the upgrade would be still 1-1 and not 1-1-1. | ||
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Blind
United States2529 Posts
On July 06 2006 21:54 himurakenshin wrote: Yeah, it's not like you could upgrade the goliaths to be 1 armor, 1 ground weapon, and then 3 air weapons. It's just 1-1.Goliaths would be upraded 1-1, where it is 1 armour, 1 weapons. There is no third upgrade like in protoss for 1 armour, 1 shield, 1 weapon. The reason why there are 3 upgrades in the wireframe is because the goliath has two weapons, so both get upgraded one, similar to the cruiser. However the upgrade would be still 1-1 and not 1-1-1. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On July 06 2006 12:17 Th_Terran wrote: Mech works so bad against Zergs these days..... just dont do it. Just look at Oov, he got PWNed by IXP trying to do mech. What if Oov played MnM and still got "PWNed" by ipx, would you tell us not to do it then?? Why not post the rep/vod or discuss the game and talk about WHY he lost rather than just being useless. On July 06 2006 15:53 Night[Mare] wrote: you are the idiot who theorycrafts too much. It's not theorycraft if I've done it with reps fucking die. On July 06 2006 12:12 Ghin wrote: One could argue that you should try it out first before making things up. One does argue that you should stfu. How is he making things up .. everything he said makes sense and probably explains how I managed On July 05 2006 06:30 Reason wrote: a pure mech game (four marines) into tank/goli and I had 2 armories going and 3 vessels with irradiate off two bases. On July 05 2006 09:12 Sabbath wrote: lol yes, 3 vessel+irradiate +2armory +gollies, i wonder why you didnt just go mass 3-3 bc from 8 starports It was +goli/tank actually  Why is it that when faced with something correct from someone you view to be entirely incorrect, you ALL just find some shit to talk about and post it. On July 06 2006 22:05 Blind wrote: Yeah, it's not like you could upgrade the goliaths to be 1 armor, 1 ground weapon, and then 3 air weapons. It's just 1-1. You are exactly right, which is why I never said that and never will. I EXPLAINED IN MY POST THAT YOU ALL QUOTED THAT I WROTE IT AS I SEE IT. I KNOW THERE ARE NOT SHIELD ON GOLIATHS, I FUCKING SAID IT - ITS THREE IN THE WIREFRAME, On July 06 2006 15:43 Reason wrote: Try playing the game you love posting about so much once in a while, when you see goliaths they have 3 upgrade icons in the wireframe. 1-1-1 I write it as I see it, and if you weren't so eager to surf the waves of flame you would have thought about what you said, and not said it. There are four upgrade choices in the armory, not six, you know this, I know this. When you click on goliath and look in the middle, there are three icons, you know this, I know this. fags  Edit:If the same people just spew more shit at me after this, don't expect a reply ever, so really all your doing is taking a cheap shot as I'm not going to defend myself, you know that I can but I won't as there's multiple of you and your all convincing each other that what your posting about what I said really matters, but I can assure you that your all a bunch of cock suckers. | ||
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
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IIICodeIIIIIII
China1101 Posts
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dronebabo
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QuietIdiot
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8882
2737 Posts
On July 06 2006 15:43 Reason wrote: Try playing the game you love posting about so much once in a while, when you see goliaths they have 3 upgrade icons in the wireframe. 1-1-1 I write it as I see it, and if you weren't so eager to surf the waves of flame you would have thought about what you said, and not said it. if you werent a newbie you would know that you pay for 2 upgrades and get 3! and no! goliaths dont use the u-238 upgrades! or infrantry weapons! despite the fact they have dual cannons! they just use standard mech attack upgrade! you havent played for a long time! the game has evolved! no more chainguns! ![[image loading]](http://dachimage.free.fr/images/galerie/Starcraft/Beta//scbw_beta_04.jpg) | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
rofl wtf @ the goliath commands pane, it has a play and a stop button? :0 | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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