Alright im very chobo so i don't know what to do when i come up against a fast xpo in pvp. But its happening quite often in my games now so what do i do? xpo myself and play normal or something different. Help plz

rpf289

United States3524 Posts

August 26 2005 08:57 GMT

I just go range after my first gate and then add another gate, rally both to his expo, and micro my ass off. :D

1INK

United States630 Posts

August 26 2005 10:06 GMT

Well, if he has no goons, i would taunt him with units and make him feel threatened in this regard. do not attack, just try scaring him with progresively large armies. if he has a goon or two, be more careful, and don't get too close and don't stay around too long. make sure you have a goon or something to hurt him if he decides to attack you. this will be the micro portion of the game. try making him take his cash away from his expansion and into units. the macro intensive part of the game will be to quickly tech into goons off of 2 gates, and turn it into 3 gate goon, with a fourth gate after you begin to take the advantage in unit combat.

that's my advice, i dunno what the experts here will say but shit like that has worked for me in the past ...

XDawn

Canada4040 Posts

August 26 2005 10:23 GMT

Go quick DT drop? into his main

NasuHasano155

United States47 Posts

August 26 2005 11:01 GMT

Just go range after first goon and 2gate goon from there. If he gets persistent and decides to build too many cannons, just double expo or if you're confident, 3gate goon. Even on somewhat far positions, fastexpo is not a viable strat in PvP.

Flyingsnow

Japan208 Posts

August 26 2005 11:26 GMT

Thx guys

tehsnow

Canada296 Posts

August 26 2005 11:41 GMT

What Nasu said is true, you aren't supposed to win with a fast expo in PvP. Just have goons to make him build cannons to make him spend money you will use to expand a bit more than him (I mean 1 expo more

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22259 Posts

August 26 2005 11:51 GMT

Reaver asap.

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

August 26 2005 13:04 GMT

Fast reavers would be thx yeah

Echo

United States435 Posts

August 26 2005 13:59 GMT

#10

quick dt drop is very good

Codditer

United States70 Posts

August 26 2005 14:04 GMT

#11

It's easy to deal with if you go two gate at the beginning (as you probably should be doing), you just kill him with zealots! If you're bent on teching, though, I suggest messing with his ledge with goons and going for the quick goon/reaver KO. Reaver drop is also OK. DT drop is too easily countered by a cannon in my opinion, and if it fails he is left with at least some advantage.

NerO

United States2071 Posts

August 26 2005 14:08 GMT

#12

just power threw it 3gate goon/speedlot or 2gate reaver or reaver harass its so easy 2 beat

MaTRiX[SiN]

Sweden1282 Posts

August 26 2005 15:18 GMT

#13

dt drop+cannon cliff or mass goon or reaver drop or zealot rush or.. pretty much anything ?

hasuwar

7365 Posts

August 26 2005 15:52 GMT

#14

zealot rush is what he wants you to do

FroST(TE)

United States909 Posts

August 26 2005 23:21 GMT

#15

lol yeah, i dual proxy robo. almost any strategy works to beat it though. if you dt drop, i recommend 4 instead of 2 =o

Taiche

France1963 Posts

December 19 2006 23:36 GMT

#16

(Yeah, I know, it's a very old thread but I didn't find any other one more recent)

So I've just played against a fast expo PvP ; we were cross map on Luna and I generally scout cross map first to know if I should go 1 or 2 gate. Anyway, I scout him quickly and see the forge @choke, so I add a second gate and think "OK, I will go 6-8 zeals and that should do it". However, he attempts to cannon rush me at my main. I get rid of it before the cannon warps in (he canceled the cannon but lost 200 in pylons) but I lose much time and did the mistake of sending back 2 zeals home because I kinda panicked.
So I think "hmm, he got delayed with this failed cannon rush so I should try to go all-in with my 5 units (4 zeals, 1 goon)". But he had 2 cannons @choke + 1 zeal, so I couldn't do any damage. Afterwards, I get behind in units and in eco so I lose this game (after trying a fast DT drop but I was already behind anyway).

Here are the questions :
* when scouting a FE build in PvP cross map, what's the best behaviour to have ? Zeal rush might/will come a little late because of the positions so I don't know if it's really viable... especially if the opponent cannon rushes, 'cause you'll need zeals to get rid of the pylons before the cannon actually does some damage.
* if you rush or go all-in like I did, what's the best option ? Try to kill his cannons or ignore them and rush into his main ?
* during the game I hesitated going reavers. After rewatching the rep, I think a reav drop in his main (instead of DT) would have been much more efficient but I'm just not sure about that.

Anyway, thanks for your any advice !

Here's the replay. Please just don't say "you need to improve your macro" or "woek on your multitask abilities" or things of the like. I know what I lack in SC but that's not the point of my post. Thanks !

Foresaken_Foreskin

Canada92 Posts

December 19 2006 23:47 GMT

#17

If he goes fast expo, do it back with a tech.
I have the replay just PM me if you want it.
Remember to not let enemy scout you out as well. (never ever)

wXs.Havok

Argentina529 Posts

December 19 2006 23:48 GMT

#18

Go and punish him for his greed. Destroy his ass using lot of micro.

Edit: But careful, if you fail, he will be outmacroing you soon. So consider what everyone else sayd in this thread.