PvZ: 1gate Sair --> DT

On February 21 2005 23:11 NonY wrote:
it's weak against.. mutas? also zerg can make mass drone and 4hatch 1 base, slow overlord + hydra to take min-only, and it's not a problem other than forcing zerg to do something maybe they didnt want to do

mostly corsair + dt is good for some harrassment, if you can sneak in a dt to rape drones.. or on a map where the natural doesnt have gas, you go corsair/dt to prevent zerg expansion (slow overlord hydra wont help cuz they cant move hydras out in open in fear of flank, whereas on temple it's a different story)

if you are looking to do some serious damage though, then i'd suggest scout instead of corsair.. forces hydras, kills overlords faster

On February 22 2005 02:25 DuSkie wrote:
+ u can see what s hes going ( muta , hydra )
+ If u are fast u can sneak with ur DT to his main and kill few drones and some structures
- If he ll defend without loses and goes mass hydras its really hard then (at least for me)

btw u can warp in robo , shuttle , load with an probe . Then if u get into his main with DT u ll drop probe to his natural (on LT) and setup some cannons up. He ll try to escape with his drones from main to his natural. ^^
maybe

On February 21 2005 23:11 NonY wrote:
it's weak against.. mutas? also zerg can make mass drone and 4hatch 1 base, slow overlord + hydra to take min-only, and it's not a problem other than forcing zerg to do something maybe they didnt want to do

mostly corsair + dt is good for some harrassment, if you can sneak in a dt to rape drones.. or on a map where the natural doesnt have gas, you go corsair/dt to prevent zerg expansion (slow overlord hydra wont help cuz they cant move hydras out in open in fear of flank, whereas on temple it's a different story)

if you are looking to do some serious damage though, then i'd suggest scout instead of corsair.. forces hydras, kills overlords faster

On February 22 2005 02:28 LastWish wrote:

I'd prefer droping goons(faster,cheaper) instead of early cannon cliffing...

On February 22 2005 06:07 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
what rekrul said.

On February 23 2005 07:55 Louder wrote:
Every time I've ever used 1 gate scout, zerg has assumed I was going sair and made fast hydra =P Never works out quite the way I see it in replays where zergs timidly pump drones and lings and wait for a lair before they do anything at all T_T

On February 23 2005 10:27 rpf289 wrote:
Hmm, here's a rep of me using 1gate Scout. I lose the game because I'm a dumbass. By the way, I played this in nilla with some friends from East at like 2 am. I won't play my best. =| Any advice would be nice. =)

On February 23 2005 07:55 Louder wrote:
Every time I've ever used 1 gate scout, zerg has assumed I was going sair and made fast hydra =P Never works out quite the way I see it in replays where zergs timidly pump drones and lings and wait for a lair before they do anything at all T_T

On February 23 2005 14:54 Fayth[pG] wrote:
If you see 3 hatch hydras with ur sair, u'd rather not expand off 1 gate dt to ht and storm, hydras + slow ovi will kill you

On February 23 2005 06:47 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Err.. sigh I'll help! mainly cuz I just woke up and am bored

If you decide to 1 gate vs zerg on LT, first of all make sure its not 12-3. Make sure you know he plays safe, else its always better to 9/11 or 9/10 to kill his fast expand, or do lots of damage with it.

So you start to play 1 gate. Make 8 pylon and 9 gate for a fast zeal which you can use to harass z a little. Keep the zeal alive as long as possible and take drones out where possible. Dont bother killing sunkens or even a hatch Make 12 gas and 16 pylon 17 core and rush to stargate and archives as fast as possible, but make sure you got your choke defended with 2 zealots. If you scout zerg going mass zerglings which is a counter vs 1 gate then keep the zealots coming from your gate and add an battery to your choke and make a scout instead of a corsair. This requires you to skip probes. Dont feel reluctant to skip a few probes every now and then.

So lets say he didnt 2 hathc ling but, something else. Your sair will be ready and so you fly to his main first. Ignore the lords you see on your way. You can get them when you fly back. Scout his tech tree, muta means cannon and templars into archons. No spire but a den means no cannons at nexus but cannons in front of your natural and 1 or 2 at your choke, research storm right away and dont morph your fucking templars into archons. So then you deal dmg with sairs by taking as many lords out as possible BUT its very important to keep your sair alive, because you must bring it back to your natural expand so your cannons can oversee the cliff against cliff lurkers.

From here, where you have the expand and all. Make 1 dt to harass his expansions which he tries to lay down. It might not always work but thats ok. Just add 7 gates, upgrade your units with TWO forges. And if you catch him STILL not making a spire, make a shuttle and make some sexy storm drops. If he has a spire but you think he doesnt defend expands with many drones with scourge then you can drop as well. Another usefull drop might be 4 dark templars in his main and kill his hive. This slows down zergs upgrade and stalls adrenaline glands and ultras. Practise makes this strategy perfect, just like every other I guess, but timing here is very important and you must get the feeling before you will do it right.

I hope some of you find this usefull

cheers

On February 24 2005 11:09 balancingAct wrote:
heyas rob~

fancy seeing you here. Haven't seen you around ts lately...so when I noticed your name, I thought I'd say hi. so... (^_^)/") hehehe

On February 21 2005 23:15 rpf289 wrote:
I plan on going 20 core --> 1gate scout --> some other thing =)

scouts really are underused, and i plan to find uses for them.

On March 17 2005 17:34 As.I.Lay.Dying wrote:


I went 20 core, 25 stargate, 27 scout, another stargate, fleet beacon, scoyt speed while upgrading attack, expo and keep massing scout/zeal/ob and it rapes like 9 kids :D

On February 21 2005 23:04 rpf289 wrote:
Recently I've been experimenting with this build. The question I have is what exactly are the ideas behind it? I'm assuming it will make the Zerg player play much more conservatively and safe, as they will need ovy speed. I know P will take the opportunity to expand with cannons as they are harassing with their DT/Sair(s).

What do you think about this build, in terms of advantages/disadvantages? When is it a weak build? When is it the strongest?

On March 17 2005 17:34 As.I.Lay.Dying wrote:


I went 20 core, 25 stargate, 27 scout, another stargate, fleet beacon, scoyt speed while upgrading attack, expo and keep massing scout/zeal/ob and it rapes like 9 kids :D