[D/G]Bisu/oov's new PvT opening - Page 3

On May 13 2011 07:27 phosphorylation wrote:
urgh toss don't need to any more new builds to help them out at the lower levels (under C iccup)

On May 13 2011 05:43 Miwyfe wrote:
Good article thanks Kiante.
Well, my favourite game which used range, 2nd gate, double is this one
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/48001_Classic_vs_Tyson/vod

MBCGame Hero Protosses used it in a few games around that time. Classic opens with the rax double so I think you will be interested in this game. It is a brilliant game. Very clean, Im tempted to do an analysis on it.

Also you mentioned bias towards SK Telecom T1 players; Best has used the build on Fortress several times. Off the top, one against Frozen where he goes arbiter then 3rd nexus, and also one against ForGG where he goes 3rd nexus after 3rd gate with obs. Ive got the build orders written down for both these games if you want them.

The build is map dependant. Icarus and Fortress are short rush maps relative to others. Thats why you want a slightly larger army earlier on to be safe.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193287
Flash vs Grape on Icarus, search the interview for the word 'rush'.

In my opinion:
A protoss player can use range, 2nd gate, nexus build against a factory first build by Terran to great effect, especially on aggressive maps. If P sees a rax expand, skip the second gate and get the nexus. This is a general rule for todays current maps. In starcraft things change.

Overall go watch Classic vs Tyson. It is one of my favourite games of last year! Enjoy

On May 13 2011 08:31 JMave wrote:
Ya man. I think this build dies to BBS.

On May 13 2011 12:09 Severedevil wrote:
The oddity in this build is that you go Range-Gate-Nexus before building any units. Is this really better than going Range-Goon-Nexus?

On May 13 2011 12:35 Rhaegar99 wrote:


Your pulling probes off gas after range to get a faster nexus. I guess also cause your 2nd gate comes out faster, you'll have move units later on against fac timing pushes.

A bit off topic but does anyone know what happened to the 10/15 pressure build that use to be popular back in the days. I remember it being used a lot on Medusa and some other maps.

On May 13 2011 12:35 Rhaegar99 wrote:


Your pulling probes off gas after range to get a faster nexus.

I guess also cause your 2nd gate comes out faster, you'll have move units later on against fac timing pushes.

On May 13 2011 12:14 Kiante wrote:

please read the OP. I recommend scouting for proxies and not doing this if you see a BBS

On May 13 2011 13:00 Severedevil wrote:

Of course. That's a very basic piece of optimization... normal 1 gate FE builds don't mine more gas than they want, either.


You're buying an earlier second gateway to pump more dragoons. And to get it, you're not pumping dragoons.

Why is that a good idea?

On May 13 2011 13:06 JMave wrote:


I have read the OP. Your assumption is based on proxy BBS. Even if he decides to go for BBS in his own base, you are still going to die if you do this build because of how late your units arrive.

I feel that the proxy is useful for a double rax rush but not needed. The only real significance is proxy off 1 rax because common logic is that your marine count is double with BBS than with a single proxy rax.

On May 13 2011 13:06 JMave wrote:


I have read the OP. Your assumption is based on proxy BBS. Even if he decides to go for BBS in his own base, you are still going to die if you do this build because of how late your units arrive.

I feel that the proxy is useful for a double rax rush but not needed. The only real significance is proxy off 1 rax because common logic is that your marine count is double with BBS than with a single proxy rax.