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Black[CAT] Malaysia2589 Posts December 19 2011 19:31 GMT #121 Hmm, if this is starting to get used more often, then I guess I'll start seeing Terrans opening 8rax vs P.

Entaro[AoV] United States184 Posts December 20 2011 01:38 GMT #122 dude i love pvt and i've been getting a lot better at it so i'm really excited to try this build! thanks for taking the time to do the analysis!

CakeOrI)eath United States327 Posts December 20 2011 18:42 GMT #123 Nice bump! I'll be giving this a try since FD has been giving me trouble since my goon micro is below average. My only real negative thought is that your first goon is so late the Terran will have unopposed scouting of everything you are doing. I guess they can't really kill you with that information, but they can at least delay ebay which opens up really strong Fac-CC-Fac and 3Fac timings if they scout your 3rd. It will be fun to play around with this on both sides! (I play TvP and PvT)

Yaqoob Canada3343 Posts January 29 2012 05:35 GMT #124 I watched the Bisu vs Bogus game and Bisu puts his probe back on gas after he builds his nexus.

JMave Singapore1806 Posts January 29 2012 08:35 GMT #125 your micro is going to have to be really good if you use this build. even with faster range, you are going to have to micro like a god to hold off a strong fd. even with the faster second gate, it does not kick in timely for his push so you will need to micro very carefully to not let the tank get any shots off.

Kiante Australia7069 Posts January 29 2012 08:42 GMT #126 any build which involves getting a quick nexus is going to have a hard time with strong FD

JMave Singapore1806 Posts January 29 2012 09:00 GMT #127 yes absolutely, which you did not mention in the op. since the idea of your analysis was how it would counter an fd push well(which it does).

Big2Fonz United States19 Posts February 10 2012 18:08 GMT #128 im still not convinced because i think 12 nexus does everything this build does and puts you at a more economical advantage against a fe terran

Ry-Masta-T United States478 Posts February 10 2012 18:34 GMT #129 But I think with this build you're better equipped to deal with (non-BBS) bunker rushes/early vultures. 12nex has trouble with these. I could also see this being stronger vs a 1rax CC. the early 4 goons with range means you can pressure their bunker hard very quickly, while still having a decent economy to follow up with.

sabas123 Netherlands3122 Posts February 10 2012 21:42 GMT #130 i liked this build ALOT, but than i faced a sfd again, and again and youre yust deadTT

jello_biafra United Kingdom6639 Posts February 13 2015 11:28 GMT #131 Does anyone still use this build? I just randomly remembered this today and I'm going to try it out again, I think it looks pretty solid.

Jukado 805 Posts February 13 2015 15:39 GMT #132 Its still kind of cool, but no, this build was hardly used in televised games. The first was Best vs Classic on Circuit Breaker, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/60935_BeSt_vs_Classic/main and then Bisu vs Bogus on Icarus http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/67899_Bisu_vs_INnoVation I dont know of it being used apart from that, I think Bisu might have used it again like once though. The build sort of evolved into the 1 goon expo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/417964-pvt-opening-1-goon-range-nexus The t1 protosses in particular would get a second gate after the nexus, which reflects the build in this thread. Sun used that alot on Beltway etc. Shuttle for example was also quick to adopt this style and use it quite often; he did so on new empire of the sun quite alot etc. Soon after, other protoss players began favouring to stay on 1 gate and get robo and observatory while making goons out of the single gateway. I would say the STX protosses were probably the main guys who pushed this forward. By the later part of the 2012 season even the t1 protoss players were favouring to stay on 1 gate and get robo and observatory while making goons out of the single gateway. Thats why I focused on the later style in the 1 goon expo thread.

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