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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
September 09 2019 10:16 GMT
#8641
How to download this map or similar it:
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
September 09 2019 11:54 GMT
#8642
On September 09 2019 19:16 bovienchien wrote:
How to download this map or similar it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzyrVX321J4


You just write #x5 at the end of the game and speed will be x5
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-09 16:43:13
September 09 2019 16:42 GMT
#8643
On September 03 2019 12:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 05:02 fefil wrote:
On September 03 2019 03:25 Alpha-NP- wrote:
For a total newb, can someone describe the advantages/disadvantages of PvZ 1 Gate expand over PvZ Forge expand? Thanks.

advantages:
- force Z to make zerglings at a crucial point in which they should be making drones
- a few drone kills is always possible but even if you get zero you still disrupted their economy heavily
disadvantages:
- possibility of lings slipping into your main increases heavily, giving z maphacks and also disrupting your mining
- disrupts your own economy a bit as well, nexus is slightly later and usually you make the gateway at 9 supply so you cut half a probe or something.

theres a bunch of other smaller things but thats the gist of it

you didnt mention literally the most important advantage to gate before forge, which is the faster tech. the corsair timing and citadel timing is substantially different

mate what are you on about? if you go gateway first and start making zealots you have to make a forge and a cannon anyway. thats still the same mineral investment if not more since you lose zealots. i am willing to bet that most games you get your first corsair out faster vs a zerg when you go forge nexus cannon gate than gate nexus forge cannon
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10138 Posts
September 09 2019 18:50 GMT
#8644
On September 10 2019 01:42 fefil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 12:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On September 03 2019 05:02 fefil wrote:
On September 03 2019 03:25 Alpha-NP- wrote:
For a total newb, can someone describe the advantages/disadvantages of PvZ 1 Gate expand over PvZ Forge expand? Thanks.

advantages:
- force Z to make zerglings at a crucial point in which they should be making drones
- a few drone kills is always possible but even if you get zero you still disrupted their economy heavily
disadvantages:
- possibility of lings slipping into your main increases heavily, giving z maphacks and also disrupting your mining
- disrupts your own economy a bit as well, nexus is slightly later and usually you make the gateway at 9 supply so you cut half a probe or something.

theres a bunch of other smaller things but thats the gist of it

you didnt mention literally the most important advantage to gate before forge, which is the faster tech. the corsair timing and citadel timing is substantially different

mate what are you on about? if you go gateway first and start making zealots you have to make a forge and a cannon anyway. thats still the same mineral investment if not more since you lose zealots. i am willing to bet that most games you get your first corsair out faster vs a zerg when you go forge nexus cannon gate than gate nexus forge cannon

He answered this very question in a consequent post:

On September 03 2019 13:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
the tech difference is relative to the zerg. the timing of the core might be different each game if you judge it by the in game timer, but if you have a delayed core because youre producing more zealots to harrass for example, it means zergs tech is equally delayed.
so basically whats important isnt that you get a core up 30 seconds earlier every game compared to a forge first build, its that the difference between tech speed is bigger if you go gate first.

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
September 09 2019 23:52 GMT
#8645
On September 09 2019 20:54 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2019 19:16 bovienchien wrote:
How to download this map or similar it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzyrVX321J4


You just write #x5 at the end of the game and speed will be x5

It worked. Thanks!
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
September 10 2019 05:03 GMT
#8646
Is there a lazy mans way of minesweeping areas of the map with goon+obs? i feel like i spend way too much apm carefully moving these fuckers around and keeping the obs with them
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 09:09:52
September 10 2019 09:09 GMT
#8647
On September 10 2019 14:03 fefil wrote:
Is there a lazy mans way of minesweeping areas of the map with goon+obs? i feel like i spend way too much apm carefully moving these fuckers around and keeping the obs with them


dont use all your goons, minesweeping can be done with 4 goons and a obs.
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 09:25:10
September 10 2019 09:23 GMT
#8648
On September 10 2019 14:03 fefil wrote:
Is there a lazy mans way of minesweeping areas of the map with goon+obs? i feel like i spend way too much apm carefully moving these fuckers around and keeping the obs with them


upgrade your observers range or speed if you want to be lazy.

Then use aboves post recommendation.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
September 10 2019 15:35 GMT
#8649
On September 10 2019 18:23 XenOsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2019 14:03 fefil wrote:
Is there a lazy mans way of minesweeping areas of the map with goon+obs? i feel like i spend way too much apm carefully moving these fuckers around and keeping the obs with them


upgrade your observers range or speed if you want to be lazy.

Then use aboves post recommendation.

this doesnt really work. there is no "lazy mans way" to mine clear. if you attack move far enough you ALWAYS have to check your dragoons' position relative to your obs. speed upgrade will send obs too far ahead and no speed puts dragoons too far ahead. with a large enough distance obs range wont change anything either.
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 16:09:16
September 10 2019 16:02 GMT
#8650
On September 11 2019 00:35 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2019 18:23 XenOsky wrote:
On September 10 2019 14:03 fefil wrote:
Is there a lazy mans way of minesweeping areas of the map with goon+obs? i feel like i spend way too much apm carefully moving these fuckers around and keeping the obs with them


upgrade your observers range or speed if you want to be lazy.

Then use aboves post recommendation.

this doesnt really work. there is no "lazy mans way" to mine clear. if you attack move far enough you ALWAYS have to check your dragoons' position relative to your obs. speed upgrade will send obs too far ahead and no speed puts dragoons too far ahead. with a large enough distance obs range wont change anything either.

if you just right click on the obs with your goons then move obs forward every now and then it should be fine right? obviously making sure to not send the obs too far, so your goons can stop and attack any mines

then if you shift queue the observer around an area, your goons will stop when your observer stops and shoot stuff. hmm gotta try this
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
September 10 2019 16:11 GMT
#8651
Another question,
say my fourth nexus just finishes and all my probe lines are optimally saturated. should I rally all my nexus to my fourth one? (assuming the route is secured) or should I just keep making probes at each nexus and transfer them once theyre in excess?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10138 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 16:41:29
September 10 2019 16:40 GMT
#8652
On September 11 2019 01:11 fefil wrote:
Another question,
say my fourth nexus just finishes and all my probe lines are optimally saturated. should I rally all my nexus to my fourth one? (assuming the route is secured) or should I just keep making probes at each nexus and transfer them once theyre in excess?

You definitely don't rally all your Nexuses there. No one does that.

As to what's optimal, I've seen pros do different things, generally I recall seeing one big migration from the main/nat to the new base using excess Probes (because the 3rd is generally less saturated than the main/nat) but I've seen them transfer some from their 3rd as well. I try to do something like this, depending on the map and what my current probe distribution is like, so that the Probes are exposed for the least amount of time possible:

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It also depends on when you took your 4th (how many Probes you have total affects how many you should transfer, obviously).
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
September 13 2019 16:13 GMT
#8653
Anyone have an issue where Starcraft can see all the replays (autosave and regular save) and can load them, but I cannot see them on Windows Explorer outside of the game? It's super annoying because I basically cannot share replays unless I host them in Starcraft.

I checked all the settings for viewing hidden files on Windows. I checked that I'm looking in the correct folder (I verified by copying BSL maps there and I can load them in Starcraft). It's gotta be something with permissions, where Starcraft can only see them, but I'm an admin on my computer so it doesn't make sense.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10138 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-13 16:56:17
September 13 2019 16:55 GMT
#8654
On September 14 2019 01:13 StRyKeR wrote:
Anyone have an issue where Starcraft can see all the replays (autosave and regular save) and can load them, but I cannot see them on Windows Explorer outside of the game? It's super annoying because I basically cannot share replays unless I host them in Starcraft.

I checked all the settings for viewing hidden files on Windows. I checked that I'm looking in the correct folder (I verified by copying BSL maps there and I can load them in Starcraft). It's gotta be something with permissions, where Starcraft can only see them, but I'm an admin on my computer so it doesn't make sense.

It'll be in Documents\StarCraft. Basically the game now pulls maps/reps from both the install directory and there, but AutoSave goes directly to Documents.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
September 13 2019 17:05 GMT
#8655
On September 14 2019 01:55 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2019 01:13 StRyKeR wrote:
Anyone have an issue where Starcraft can see all the replays (autosave and regular save) and can load them, but I cannot see them on Windows Explorer outside of the game? It's super annoying because I basically cannot share replays unless I host them in Starcraft.

I checked all the settings for viewing hidden files on Windows. I checked that I'm looking in the correct folder (I verified by copying BSL maps there and I can load them in Starcraft). It's gotta be something with permissions, where Starcraft can only see them, but I'm an admin on my computer so it doesn't make sense.

It'll be in Documents\StarCraft. Basically the game now pulls maps/reps from both the install directory and there, but AutoSave goes directly to Documents.


Oh wow I didn't realize that. I'm glad I asked. I had searched the computer for replays as well and didn't find any so I had ruled this possibility out. I'll look there tonight.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
September 15 2019 05:05 GMT
#8656
Sometimes I have a hard time holding off 2 fact after doing a 29 nexus build? is this normal? i was to understand that they fell out of style.

I usually go 29 nexus then get my robo and 2 more gates + obs. ive tried going 3 gates before my robo but it dies to the 2fact vulture variant.

is it fine to just go 1gate robo -> expand -> gate? thatd counter it pretty well but i think youd be pretty behind if he just built his CC on the high ground
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
September 15 2019 05:59 GMT
#8657
also are there any island maps being used in tournament play? saw bisu vs light on snowbound (Wiki)https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Snowbound on his stream, was wondering if they were just playing for fun or if its for actual practice because theyre (going) to be a thing
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
September 15 2019 06:54 GMT
#8658
On September 15 2019 14:05 fefil wrote:
Sometimes I have a hard time holding off 2 fact after doing a 29 nexus build? is this normal? i was to understand that they fell out of style.

I usually go 29 nexus then get my robo and 2 more gates + obs. ive tried going 3 gates before my robo but it dies to the 2fact vulture variant.

is it fine to just go 1gate robo -> expand -> gate? thatd counter it pretty well but i think youd be pretty behind if he just built his CC on the high ground


you can also try 21 nexus into 2nd gate followed by robo that is more economic. If you can tell they're going 2 fac, you should add to a total of 4 gateways. I think 1 gate robo into expand is too safe.

Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10138 Posts
September 15 2019 15:00 GMT
#8659
On September 15 2019 14:05 fefil wrote:
Sometimes I have a hard time holding off 2 fact after doing a 29 nexus build? is this normal? i was to understand that they fell out of style.

I usually go 29 nexus then get my robo and 2 more gates + obs. ive tried going 3 gates before my robo but it dies to the 2fact vulture variant.

is it fine to just go 1gate robo -> expand -> gate? thatd counter it pretty well but i think youd be pretty behind if he just built his CC on the high ground

Going 3 gates before obs is a solid option. You shouldn't be dying to vulture-heavy variants even if your robo/obs is late, because your nat should be blocked by pylons and dragoons.

As a general rule of thumb, as soon as I know it is 2 fac, I build shuttle and one round of zealots minimum. You can cut probe production and add extra gateways, or get your robo earlier than you would otherwise. If you hold without losing probes, you should be ahead.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-16 07:27:31
September 16 2019 07:22 GMT
#8660
On September 15 2019 15:54 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2019 14:05 fefil wrote:
Sometimes I have a hard time holding off 2 fact after doing a 29 nexus build? is this normal? i was to understand that they fell out of style.

I usually go 29 nexus then get my robo and 2 more gates + obs. ive tried going 3 gates before my robo but it dies to the 2fact vulture variant.

is it fine to just go 1gate robo -> expand -> gate? thatd counter it pretty well but i think youd be pretty behind if he just built his CC on the high ground


you can also try 21 nexus into 2nd gate followed by robo that is more economic. If you can tell they're going 2 fac, you should add to a total of 4 gateways. I think 1 gate robo into expand is too safe.


thank you will definitely give it a try

On September 16 2019 00:00 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2019 14:05 fefil wrote:
Sometimes I have a hard time holding off 2 fact after doing a 29 nexus build? is this normal? i was to understand that they fell out of style.

I usually go 29 nexus then get my robo and 2 more gates + obs. ive tried going 3 gates before my robo but it dies to the 2fact vulture variant.

is it fine to just go 1gate robo -> expand -> gate? thatd counter it pretty well but i think youd be pretty behind if he just built his CC on the high ground

Going 3 gates before obs is a solid option. You shouldn't be dying to vulture-heavy variants even if your robo/obs is late, because your nat should be blocked by pylons and dragoons.

As a general rule of thumb, as soon as I know it is 2 fac, I build shuttle and one round of zealots minimum. You can cut probe production and add extra gateways, or get your robo earlier than you would otherwise. If you hold without losing probes, you should be ahead.


thanks ill give the shuttle a try. isnt walling the nat with pylons bad if its a 2 fact with siege? they can kill 4~ pylons right away.

edit: also is the best manner pylon when you can catch 1 probe? because then it cant escape and wtf because i see pros catch 3 probes then they just all glitch out why would they do that
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