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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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fefil
92 Posts
On September 03 2019 03:25 Alpha-NP- wrote: For a total newb, can someone describe the advantages/disadvantages of PvZ 1 Gate expand over PvZ Forge expand? Thanks. advantages: - force Z to make zerglings at a crucial point in which they should be making drones - a few drone kills is always possible but even if you get zero you still disrupted their economy heavily disadvantages: - possibility of lings slipping into your main increases heavily, giving z maphacks and also disrupting your mining - disrupts your own economy a bit as well, nexus is slightly later and usually you make the gateway at 9 supply so you cut half a probe or something. theres a bunch of other smaller things but thats the gist of it | ||
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fefil
92 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On September 03 2019 06:25 fefil wrote: why the hell do high templars trigger mines? they obviously float I've often wondered this myself, it is a bit odd, can only assume it's a sheer balance issue | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Jealous
10353 Posts
On September 03 2019 07:46 Alpha-NP- wrote: Why do some players shift+alt the colors in 1v1 games so it is yellow and red? I have seen many koreans do this. If your opponent is always red, it's easier to spot drops come in on the minimap. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
On September 03 2019 05:02 fefil wrote: advantages: - force Z to make zerglings at a crucial point in which they should be making drones - a few drone kills is always possible but even if you get zero you still disrupted their economy heavily disadvantages: - possibility of lings slipping into your main increases heavily, giving z maphacks and also disrupting your mining - disrupts your own economy a bit as well, nexus is slightly later and usually you make the gateway at 9 supply so you cut half a probe or something. theres a bunch of other smaller things but thats the gist of it you didnt mention literally the most important advantage to gate before forge, which is the faster tech. the corsair timing and citadel timing is substantially different | ||
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Jealous
10353 Posts
On September 03 2019 12:11 evilfatsh1t wrote: you didnt mention literally the most important advantage to gate before forge, which is the faster tech. the corsair timing and citadel timing is substantially different I'm pretty sure that's not always the case? Just because you get Gateway before Forge doesn't necessarily mean that you can safely add Cybernetics earlier than with Forge-first builds, because it depends on what Zerg is doing, no? In fact it's quite possible that your Cyber will be later with Gateway openings afaik. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
so basically whats important isnt that you get a core up 30 seconds earlier every game compared to a forge first build, its that the difference between tech speed is bigger if you go gate first. | ||
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Jealous
10353 Posts
On September 03 2019 13:43 evilfatsh1t wrote: the tech difference is relative to the zerg. the timing of the core might be different each game if you judge it by the in game timer, but if you have a delayed core because youre producing more zealots to harrass for example, it means zergs tech is equally delayed. so basically whats important isnt that you get a core up 30 seconds earlier every game compared to a forge first build, its that the difference between tech speed is bigger if you go gate first. Okay, that makes more sense, I thought you were talking strictly about the in-game time. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
On September 03 2019 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote: I heard there is an unorthodox build for TvT that is 1 rax academy-range with no stim into siege expand. What is the point of the build? I would guess it is just to damage terran buildings before his tanks arrive. Such thing doesnt exist for TvT, its a fair build for TvP though. Range upgrade allows you to defend ranged goons obviously | ||
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Highgamer
1470 Posts
On September 03 2019 07:46 Alpha-NP- wrote: Why do some players shift+alt the colors in 1v1 games so it is yellow and red? I have seen many koreans do this. I'm not an expert on the BW color-system but: I assume you mean shift+tab which cycles through three color-patterns: a) the colors that the game randomly selected for the players (red, blue, green, yellow, brown, black, white, etc), b) the colors that the game randomly selected for the players BUT on the minimap they're in red (opponent) and green (you) and yellow (allies) c) everything, minimap and the actual units/buildings, in red (opponent) and green (you) and yellow (allies) If you and your opponent get very similar colors, like yellow and orange, then it can be very hard to see what units belong to whom, especially in mirror matchups, but also generally on the minimap. If by accident the colors are very well distinguishable in the first place (like red and yellow) then you might not want to change the colors at all because you can tell everything well apart and you can let a bit of color in your life. Red/green/yellow just makes it very easy to tell apart what is yours and the opponents' and your allies' stuff (unless you're color-blind or red-green-blind I guess... for SC2 they did s.th. about this I think, for BW maybe not (?), didn't check the options). If you want to distinguish everything at one glance on the minimap but don't want to miss seeing lots of different colors then you can change to red/green/yellow-minimap-mode. If you're observing a game, sometimes there is a problem with the colors: normally you can switch to red and yellow I believe to distinguish the opposing teams better, but sometimes that gets messed up and both players appear in red (on the minimap only maybe?). Then you have to use the randomly selected colors and hope that they're not too similar. | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28873 Posts
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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fefil
92 Posts
Also in PvZ lategame I find it hard to hold onto expansions once i get to four. Like theres way too much surface area Z could attack from. Dark swarm, cracklings, etc. make cannons useless and i am not so sure that a reaver and a couple HT can stall for long enough for my main army to get there. What should I do? my army cant cover everything and i am sick of counter attacks and not being able to move out. 1800~ P even if I spread my army out perfectly, now I cant go on the offensive. there has to be a supply efficient way to deal with this fuckery. | ||
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y2kid
92 Posts
If undisturbed i usually make ~20 goons then 12 zeals(just in case) then continue to mainly pump goons and maybe a zeal or a HT in the mix and yes when i see Terran pushing i mainly go zeals because they train fast/come to reinforce fast and take a lot of dmg. To your second: If there's a ramp put some zeals or dt on the ramp and with that+2 HTs and a reaver you should not even need your army to arrive to stop small skirmishes or counters. Otherwise be prepared to loose an expo -such is life- and try to expand wherever your attack path is, similar to what terrans do in PvT. That's how I see it. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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InDi
Spain90 Posts
PvZ as replied before, cannons + reavers + DT/HT, I usually build a bunch of cannons + 2 gates at the entrance + a robo at the back. Building DT/HT from the gates, still ofcourse you can loose an exp if the Z moves his full army, but you should be able to counterattack and be more cost-efficient with your army composition. @Alpha: You can search for some Bonyth replays, he was doing that quite often PvZ, not sure if he keeps doing it. Not sure about Pro replays either. | ||
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