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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
August 14 2019 00:05 GMT
#8581
On August 14 2019 07:10 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough

???

Scouting for Overlords in proximity to your bases is the straight up counter to getting 2 cm lurker dropped in your mineral lines lmao.


Who knows if he's talking about slowdrop or not though. We need more replay/info.
NAKR`flying
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
August 14 2019 00:59 GMT
#8582
On August 14 2019 07:10 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough

???

Scouting for Overlords in proximity to your bases is the straight up counter to getting 2 cm lurker dropped in your mineral lines lmao.


???????????????

you always send the first corsair to his main and ignore any overlords at first, unless you got a lucky probe scout and know what tech hes going.

second corsair will pop out but by the time the two corsairs group together (and the third ones about to pop) the drop is already underway.
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 01:14:21
August 14 2019 01:12 GMT
#8583
This is the problem with TheoryCrafting without any reference. It's hard to know exactly what situation is being asked about.

Not trying to be rude, but you will get a better response with a standalone thread in strategy.
NAKR`flying
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
August 14 2019 02:30 GMT
#8584
On August 14 2019 09:59 fefil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 07:10 Jealous wrote:
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough

???

Scouting for Overlords in proximity to your bases is the straight up counter to getting 2 cm lurker dropped in your mineral lines lmao.


???????????????

you always send the first corsair to his main and ignore any overlords at first, unless you got a lucky probe scout and know what tech hes going.

second corsair will pop out but by the time the two corsairs group together (and the third ones about to pop) the drop is already underway.

your first corsair should be able to give you enough information with enough time to react. 2 bases only with no spire is an all in. if youre not getting this information quick enough then your first corsair timing is shit.
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
August 14 2019 06:16 GMT
#8585
On August 14 2019 11:30 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 09:59 fefil wrote:
On August 14 2019 07:10 Jealous wrote:
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough

???

Scouting for Overlords in proximity to your bases is the straight up counter to getting 2 cm lurker dropped in your mineral lines lmao.


???????????????

you always send the first corsair to his main and ignore any overlords at first, unless you got a lucky probe scout and know what tech hes going.

second corsair will pop out but by the time the two corsairs group together (and the third ones about to pop) the drop is already underway.

your first corsair should be able to give you enough information with enough time to react. 2 bases only with no spire is an all in. if youre not getting this information quick enough then your first corsair timing is shit.


my first corsair timing might be shit. my question is, if i see what looks to be a hydra bust (but then with a fast lair) should I just get a cannon in my mineral lines?

i played against a 3 base variant of this today. i make like 4 extra cannons at my nat, hold the "hydra bust" (quotation marks because its a half assed hydra bust with a lair behind it) and then die to the lurker drop. i think the key here is to just make a cannon in my mineral lines when i see this with my corsair?
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 07:43:50
August 14 2019 07:40 GMT
#8586
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough


This kind of play must be 2 hath, so if you cannot scout his 3rd base with initial probe / zealot, you need to build 1-2 canons in your mineral line vs fast muta / lurker drops. Also, going cors reaver is a great choice vs any 2 hath build, as you deny mutas / ovies with corsair and get fast ob / reaver to defend lurker or mass hydra.

Also use your initial 1-2 zealots and try to scout his natural to see the 2nd gas. If no 2nd gas and 2 base play only, that is hydra. If there is 2nd gas, that is muta / lurker.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10007 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 08:34:43
August 14 2019 08:28 GMT
#8587
On August 14 2019 16:40 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough


This kind of play must be 2 hath, so if you cannot scout his 3rd base with initial probe / zealot, you need to build 1-2 canons in your mineral line vs fast muta / lurker drops. Also, going cors reaver is a great choice vs any 2 hath build, as you deny mutas / ovies with corsair and get fast ob / reaver to defend lurker or mass hydra.

Also use your initial 1-2 zealots and try to scout his natural to see the 2nd gas. If no 2nd gas and 2 base play only, that is hydra. If there is 2nd gas, that is muta / lurker.


bingo

@fefil eventually you will need to understand/figure out these concepts on your own if you're gonna want to improve more efficiently

Understanding these responses/concepts (etc.) and adding them to your repertoire is what creates game sense.. and it's part of the fun of playing BW. It's actually pretty hard to remember everything unless you practice and figure out solutions on your own, there's endless amount of scenarios like these. But yea, the answer is pretty simple if you think about it more critically.. not really a case of "2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit" being an OP build...... :DD
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8006 Posts
August 14 2019 12:24 GMT
#8588
Hey guys please help !
When i try to acces bw it says "The Battle.net launcher failed to launch" !!!!
How can i fix it ?
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8006 Posts
August 14 2019 12:36 GMT
#8589
OK! got it! so proud of me haha
just run as administrator battle.net launcer
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
August 14 2019 16:48 GMT
#8590
On August 14 2019 06:35 fefil wrote:
How tf do you beat 2 base lurker drop rush because this is bullshit. pvz. there's no way to know if he's doing a regular hydra bust or if he's going lurker drops at least until your corsair pops out then maybe you can scout the lair. but still what the hell? you're nowhere near obs yet and he just dropped 2 lurkers in each mineral line. pretty fuckin tilted right now just lost to this nub.

whatever advice anyone gives me, first of all, thank you. but please do not tell me "snipe the ovies with your corsair" because that is not reliable enough

You must have ran into Julia on ladder
Counc1l
Profile Joined April 2019
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 18:41:58
August 14 2019 18:40 GMT
#8591
@fefil At minimum, you will have enough time to get a cannon in each mineral line and position some zealots to attack the lurkers and slow them down from getting to the mineral line. If they have overlord speed, it's a bit more complicated, but you should have enough time to be prepared if you scout it. Ideally, you should try to force the lurkers to burrow prematurely to buy time to get observers.
krocan.cz
Profile Joined June 2015
58 Posts
August 15 2019 09:13 GMT
#8592
what is best counter to P in ZvP, where P starts with pylon gate at natural and keep sending me zealots...?
Counc1l
Profile Joined April 2019
33 Posts
August 16 2019 01:08 GMT
#8593
I think the easiest response is to delay gas and produce 4 zerglings for each zealot they produce and then try to trap zealots with your lings to get good trades. I think builds like 4 hatch before gas are easier builds to execute because mining gas while producing zerglings can cripple a zerg's economy. So, this is probably the easiest response.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
August 16 2019 08:57 GMT
#8594
On August 14 2019 21:24 prosatan wrote:
Hey guys please help !
When i try to acces bw it says "The Battle.net launcher failed to launch" !!!!
How can i fix it ?


Seems to be a common issue! I have the same, any my workaround is to run "Battle Net" application directly and SC from there.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
dr0pship
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada520 Posts
August 21 2019 05:20 GMT
#8595
what determines if a unit is within range of a weapon? is it based on the pixels of the sprite or on collision boxes? or on unit sizes as described here? (Wiki)List of Unit and Building Sizes

thanks
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2268 Posts
August 21 2019 07:24 GMT
#8596
is there any good shuttle / reaver control map¿¿¿
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 22 2019 14:44 GMT
#8597
What’s the mindset goal of 9pool 1 base cheeze ZvP? I saw Zelot play it against Bisu and I was impressed. Do they ever try Lurkers?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1arHzCajkSQ
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 18:30:59
August 22 2019 18:30 GMT
#8598
On August 21 2019 14:20 9heart wrote:
what determines if a unit is within range of a weapon? is it based on the pixels of the sprite or on collision boxes? or on unit sizes as described here? (Wiki)List of Unit and Building Sizes

thanks

It is based on the pixels of the sprite to the sprite of what its targeting. This is especially noticeable when you see protosses positioning dragoons to hit a bunker.
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
August 23 2019 11:36 GMT
#8599
On August 22 2019 23:44 Alpha-NP- wrote:
What’s the mindset goal of 9pool 1 base cheeze ZvP? I saw Zelot play it against Bisu and I was impressed. Do they ever try Lurkers?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1arHzCajkSQ


Was that really Bisu? He scouted what looks like 9pool speed + lair and didn't block the holes in his wall. The build also looked greedy vs an aggressive build.
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fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 21:56:27
August 23 2019 21:45 GMT
#8600


At 8:00, how does bisu know to start making cannons?

He had no scouting and if Z just kept droning up he woulda lost the game right there, so not sure what his thought process was.

Granted he saw like 8 lings but that doesnt really mean shit in terms of making like 7 blind cannons
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