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fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
July 29 2019 04:09 GMT
#8521
^ i would also like to know this question for P replays.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
July 29 2019 21:01 GMT
#8522
How does Zerg micro Mutalisks against Mech Goliaths?
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 01:59:27
July 29 2019 22:37 GMT
#8523
On July 30 2019 06:01 Alpha-NP- wrote:
How does Zerg micro Mutalisks against Mech Goliaths?


Depends on the numbers. In low numbers of both Muta and Gol you probably want to target single Goliaths (much like Muta vs MM in low numbers). If you have situations where it's upwards of 8/9 mutas vs 4/5 Gols you can start thinking about hold position so that the glaives spread and you waste less shots on overkilling individual units.

It's very situational and you don't actually even want to engage Gols directly unless you are sure you can make a good trade out of it. Once they have range you usually have to wait until +1 carapace to have a chance at making good trades.

In battles where you have full control groups or more of mutas and think you have a numbers advantage, you want to be on top of the Gols as much as possible to reduce their range advantage (this involves attack moving/hold position and subsequently moving on top of the Gols between each volley)

When you have a vision advantage (mutas on terrain that blocks Terran vision) you should be looking to target single Gol/scv or hold position, then return to the negative space to reduce the number of volleys they can get off for each Muta volley.

In all situations, run low HP mutas away as appropriate/practical.
NAKR`flying
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1447 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 03:50:06
July 30 2019 03:48 GMT
#8524
On July 30 2019 06:01 Alpha-NP- wrote:
How does Zerg micro Mutalisks against Mech Goliaths?


Study this video and do the exact opposite:

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry, I had to.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
July 30 2019 04:13 GMT
#8525
On July 29 2019 12:51 Wrath wrote:
Where can I find recent T replays? I'm looking for macro replays where T can max out on 13 minute mark in a TvP to be specific.


if youre on FBW there's a channel called #vods_and_replays with a ton of progamer reppacks, check the pin
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
July 30 2019 05:07 GMT
#8526
What is "FBW"?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10267 Posts
July 30 2019 06:38 GMT
#8527
On July 30 2019 14:07 Wrath wrote:
What is "FBW"?

RIP
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
July 30 2019 12:18 GMT
#8528
So in PvP, I go 1 gate obs reaver expand. I expand when my reavers about halfway done and make a shield battery at my nat for it. Works very well most of the time. However I lose if they do a heavy goon push before the reaver pops, say 4gate goon or 3gate obs.

I keep my probe alive long enough to see them throw down a second gateway. However, my question is, when I see a second gateway should I automatically make my own or just delay my nexus and add the gateway after I get my reaver out? I can see myself winning if I sit at the top of my ramp and break out of the contain with my reaver and then go drop him with it. But I basically have no idea how I am supposed to know if they are using that second gate to just expand and go reaver themselves, or if theyre going to throw down more gates after my probe leaves their base. If they go 2gate and I am sitting at my ramp preparing for an all in and he just expands, my nexus will be later since I wont be able to know that until my obs gets to their base.

Advice? Basically, what do I do when I scout a second gateway while going 1 gate reaver?
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
July 30 2019 12:50 GMT
#8529
On July 30 2019 15:38 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 14:07 Wrath wrote:
What is "FBW"?

RIP


... So... What is FBW?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
July 30 2019 13:20 GMT
#8530
On July 30 2019 21:50 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 15:38 Jealous wrote:
On July 30 2019 14:07 Wrath wrote:
What is "FBW"?

RIP


... So... What is FBW?

Foreign Brood War Discord server.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
July 30 2019 15:18 GMT
#8531
Thanks, can I have a link to it?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
July 30 2019 17:18 GMT
#8532
On July 31 2019 00:18 Wrath wrote:
Thanks, can I have a link to it?

I PM'd you, not sure if it can be posted here?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 19:05:46
July 30 2019 18:52 GMT
#8533
On July 30 2019 21:18 fefil wrote:
So in PvP, I go 1 gate obs reaver expand. I expand when my reavers about halfway done and make a shield battery at my nat for it. Works very well most of the time. However I lose if they do a heavy goon push before the reaver pops, say 4gate goon or 3gate obs.

I keep my probe alive long enough to see them throw down a second gateway. However, my question is, when I see a second gateway should I automatically make my own or just delay my nexus and add the gateway after I get my reaver out? I can see myself winning if I sit at the top of my ramp and break out of the contain with my reaver and then go drop him with it. But I basically have no idea how I am supposed to know if they are using that second gate to just expand and go reaver themselves, or if theyre going to throw down more gates after my probe leaves their base. If they go 2gate and I am sitting at my ramp preparing for an all in and he just expands, my nexus will be later since I wont be able to know that until my obs gets to their base.

Advice? Basically, what do I do when I scout a second gateway while going 1 gate reaver?


when you see 2nd gate and range delay ur obs and go reav 1st

Even if you trade poorly vs goons (which you shouldnt, just stay on top of ramp until reav is out) you can always get speed shuttle and start reav harassing while taking ur exp. Rushing exp is good with 1g robo reav style but you have other plays too. You can always cancel your exp too if P attacks you with too many goons, just go back up your ramp and get shuttle speed.

1g reav/obs exp is Bisu's go to PvP opener on ladder. I bookmark'd a bunch of his PvP vods from his youtube but i think he deleted his channel, lost them all t.t.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
July 30 2019 18:58 GMT
#8534
thanks TT1

initially, do you recommend I use the reaver to break out of the contain or just go straight to his main? when i break out of the contain, how do I prevent him from just buttfucking me while i am harassing him with the reaver all the way in his main? should probably just wait for the second reaver and then go harass him with the shuttle right?
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
July 30 2019 19:01 GMT
#8535
also why tf do the afreeca streamers never play the game normally? either they are doing some stupid UMS or offracing vs their friend doing meme builds. i just want to watch someone play the game from a first person perspective so i can learn. already watched all the bisu fpvods on youtube, what else is there? is there a database or something?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 19:06:25
July 30 2019 19:02 GMT
#8536
On July 31 2019 03:58 fefil wrote:
thanks TT1

initially, do you recommend I use the reaver to break out of the contain or just go straight to his main? when i break out of the contain, how do I prevent him from just buttfucking me while i am harassing him with the reaver all the way in his main? should probably just wait for the second reaver and then go harass him with the shuttle right?


if he's camping below your ramp with goons i'd just get speedshuttle asap, throw down 2 more gates (3g total)

you can start poking at his goons with ur reav but make sure you do it safely (reavs tend to bug out on ramps), ideally its good to have a shuttle out when you're doing that so u can just pick it up and move back asap

once speed shuttle is done start probe harassing, threaten his front with goons and fly into his main, if oppo has too many goons in his main (make sure you obs scout main) hit his nat with 2 reavs + goons (while taking your exp)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 19:09:03
July 30 2019 19:08 GMT
#8537
doesn't that mean I am relying on my reaver harass way too much since im just on one base while he is most likely on 2?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
July 30 2019 19:08 GMT
#8538
On July 31 2019 04:01 fefil wrote:
also why tf do the afreeca streamers never play the game normally? either they are doing some stupid UMS or offracing vs their friend doing meme builds. i just want to watch someone play the game from a first person perspective so i can learn. already watched all the bisu fpvods on youtube, what else is there? is there a database or something?


i dunno about FPVODs but i have a bunch of rep packs:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7t8cqjra1rvz7u/protoss.rar?dl=0 - various P pack (Note: "Rank 37 barcode" is Bisu)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6pchbtvwclhc9d/Bisu[Shield] 2015.rar?dl=0 - Bisu
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1m82x8izcd7tfgh/shuttle.rar?dl=0 - Shuttle
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iidmpu2jdelswx8/so.what)blossom aka ever)P(Horang.rar?dl=0 - Horang2
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
fefil
Profile Joined July 2019
92 Posts
July 30 2019 19:09 GMT
#8539
^ god fucking bless you dude
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 19:12:45
July 30 2019 19:11 GMT
#8540
On July 31 2019 04:08 fefil wrote:
doesn't that mean I am relying on my reaver harass way too much since im just on one base while he is most likely on 2?


your exp will be slower than your oppos but it's easy to get good trades and even the game out with speedshuttle reav, you basically have to abuse your oppos lack of mobility/map control in that position

but of course you could always opt to go for a diff opener if you scout 2g goon range, you could go 3g (assuming his probe is dead) or DT exp or 2g robo exp > obs > reav
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