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Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-17 21:23:57
August 17 2017 21:22 GMT
#6681
On August 18 2017 05:53 Cvitak46 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 03:53 Cryoc wrote:
On August 17 2017 19:29 Cvitak46 wrote:
On August 17 2017 16:49 Jealous wrote:
On August 17 2017 16:47 Cvitak46 wrote:
Hello everyone.

In TvT on Arcadia 2 I have an issue when other player creates a contain on my main and natural with tanks, vultures and wraiths. My main was top right in the last game so I had three mining bases.

I can defend easily but with only three bases to mine from other player will just wait until I mine out.
How can I brake contain against army of that composition?

I usually play medic, marin, tank. And that is all I know at the moment as I'm a total noob (I don't count BW and SC2 singleplayers).


Never go Medic + Marine in TvT. Bust contains using SCVs, Tanks, Goliaths, and/or Dropships. Or just use Dropships to fly around the contain and drop him when he gets greedy.


with SCVs? I'm sure this is a valid action but I don't understand it.

When I play I tend to "forget" to macro, forget to make SCVs and assign them to work, forget to make units.
If I focus on macro then my army is dead very quickly :D
my APM is 70-80, and I peak at around 130.

Reason I like BW so much is because it is so hard and it is challenging. It has really steep learning curve. But I never thought I would have so much problems. Everything looks easy when I watch pro players or streamers.

You should improve your macro first and fix your habit of forgetting to build stuff. You will never be able to break a contain, if you have less stuff than your opponent.
Arcadia is actually a good map for you to focus on that aspect, because you only need to defend one spot to get 3 bases. And if you are contained and outnumbered, build up a dropship fleet while you take the 3 bases. There are islands on the map too, making it way harder to turret up all dropship paths.


Any suggestions how to improve my macro except the obvious to grind on ladder game after game?
I need to learn some builds for every matchup and practice them. Not only this one medic+marine+tank. Start to scout better and read my oponent.
In theory I know what I need to do, but in the game hands are not listening to me.

tnx to all of you, your advices are greatly appreciated


The best way to improve your macro or opening build order in my opinion is to play vs no opponent. The fastest way to do it is to start a melee game vs a computer and then kick the computer during the countdown and just continue to play. Then you don't have any distractions while building your stuff. That way you can actually learn your build and get to know the timings of when you have to build the next building/unit.

Though it is probably best to do it using a specific build order, so you can see your improvement more clearly. Unfortunately most builds on Liquipedia don't have time stamps as to when you should have what, so I am just going to link you to a tutorial on a siege expand, I did some time ago. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/446553-how-to-siege-expand-in-tvp
There is the replay of the game, which you could compare to your own execution of the same build up to the 9min mark for example.
The same works with any pro replay without much early game interaction, too.

This way to improve your macro probably doesn't sound too appealing to you, because it is basically grinding without an opponent(but you will need less games to improve your fundamentals), so you have to ask yourself the question, if you prefer this to laddering until you got the basics down.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
August 18 2017 03:28 GMT
#6682
What's the appeal of the Real-Time Lighting option? As far as I can tell, it just makes things harder to see, shiny/cartoony, and messes with the colors. Disabling it makes everything look so much better, but apparently it's a feature people want?
<3 FlaSh HiyA Stats HoeJJa
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 18 2017 14:54 GMT
#6683
Quick question because I never thought about it, if I'm kiting backwards (lets say Dragoons with range vs Marines) do i want to use hold position or stop? probably hold position so my shit doesn't run in?

And secondly if that is true, are there other scenarios (other than not just wanting your defending units to run forward) where either hold position or stop is the clearly superior way to micro compared to the other?
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10126 Posts
August 18 2017 15:22 GMT
#6684
On August 18 2017 23:54 Arvendilin wrote:
Quick question because I never thought about it, if I'm kiting backwards (lets say Dragoons with range vs Marines) do i want to use hold position or stop? probably hold position so my shit doesn't run in?

And secondly if that is true, are there other scenarios (other than not just wanting your defending units to run forward) where either hold position or stop is the clearly superior way to micro compared to the other?

I've never heard of stop position micro.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
August 18 2017 15:50 GMT
#6685
Yes, stop is only useful to unfreeze stuck units and maybe to prevent a sieged tank from attacking the zealot during a drop so you can fire on the reaver instead.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 18 2017 17:18 GMT
#6686
On August 19 2017 00:22 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 23:54 Arvendilin wrote:
Quick question because I never thought about it, if I'm kiting backwards (lets say Dragoons with range vs Marines) do i want to use hold position or stop? probably hold position so my shit doesn't run in?

And secondly if that is true, are there other scenarios (other than not just wanting your defending units to run forward) where either hold position or stop is the clearly superior way to micro compared to the other?

I've never heard of stop position micro.


Yea thats why I was thinking about if there were any uses!
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 22:04:03
August 18 2017 21:06 GMT
#6687
Can someone show me a proper ffe wall off on outsider top right?

Edit:
Never mind, I got it now.
화이팅
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 18 2017 21:13 GMT
#6688
Heyo any of you know which settings need to put to make mouse feel like on 1.16.1? Use Mouse Scaling? Hardware Cursor? Or manually scale? Also do you need to run on fullscreen or windowed fullscreen? Basically I just want my mouse to behave like 6/11 windows , 640x480 BW resolution. I experimented so many times but nothing feels really right, it's always choppy.
sunbeams are never made like me...
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
August 19 2017 00:38 GMT
#6689
if choppy, you have some fps drop? disabling "mouse sensitivity" got my mouse to work like 1.16, I think (also have mouse scaling off ; hardware cursor on)
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 19 2017 03:09 GMT
#6690
Anyone know of some good high level english zerg streamers who talk/explain as they play?

Was looking at incontrol and ret, but their vods require sub
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
August 19 2017 06:45 GMT
#6691
Eonzerg is good and speaks english, but I'm not sure how much he explains during his matches.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Cvitak46
Profile Joined April 2017
Croatia52 Posts
August 19 2017 08:08 GMT
#6692
On August 18 2017 06:22 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2017 05:53 Cvitak46 wrote:
On August 18 2017 03:53 Cryoc wrote:
On August 17 2017 19:29 Cvitak46 wrote:
On August 17 2017 16:49 Jealous wrote:
On August 17 2017 16:47 Cvitak46 wrote:
Hello everyone.

In TvT on Arcadia 2 I have an issue when other player creates a contain on my main and natural with tanks, vultures and wraiths. My main was top right in the last game so I had three mining bases.

I can defend easily but with only three bases to mine from other player will just wait until I mine out.
How can I brake contain against army of that composition?

I usually play medic, marin, tank. And that is all I know at the moment as I'm a total noob (I don't count BW and SC2 singleplayers).


Never go Medic + Marine in TvT. Bust contains using SCVs, Tanks, Goliaths, and/or Dropships. Or just use Dropships to fly around the contain and drop him when he gets greedy.


with SCVs? I'm sure this is a valid action but I don't understand it.

When I play I tend to "forget" to macro, forget to make SCVs and assign them to work, forget to make units.
If I focus on macro then my army is dead very quickly :D
my APM is 70-80, and I peak at around 130.

Reason I like BW so much is because it is so hard and it is challenging. It has really steep learning curve. But I never thought I would have so much problems. Everything looks easy when I watch pro players or streamers.

You should improve your macro first and fix your habit of forgetting to build stuff. You will never be able to break a contain, if you have less stuff than your opponent.
Arcadia is actually a good map for you to focus on that aspect, because you only need to defend one spot to get 3 bases. And if you are contained and outnumbered, build up a dropship fleet while you take the 3 bases. There are islands on the map too, making it way harder to turret up all dropship paths.


Any suggestions how to improve my macro except the obvious to grind on ladder game after game?
I need to learn some builds for every matchup and practice them. Not only this one medic+marine+tank. Start to scout better and read my oponent.
In theory I know what I need to do, but in the game hands are not listening to me.

tnx to all of you, your advices are greatly appreciated


The best way to improve your macro or opening build order in my opinion is to play vs no opponent. The fastest way to do it is to start a melee game vs a computer and then kick the computer during the countdown and just continue to play. Then you don't have any distractions while building your stuff. That way you can actually learn your build and get to know the timings of when you have to build the next building/unit.

Though it is probably best to do it using a specific build order, so you can see your improvement more clearly. Unfortunately most builds on Liquipedia don't have time stamps as to when you should have what, so I am just going to link you to a tutorial on a siege expand, I did some time ago. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/446553-how-to-siege-expand-in-tvp
There is the replay of the game, which you could compare to your own execution of the same build up to the 9min mark for example.
The same works with any pro replay without much early game interaction, too.

This way to improve your macro probably doesn't sound too appealing to you, because it is basically grinding without an opponent(but you will need less games to improve your fundamentals), so you have to ask yourself the question, if you prefer this to laddering until you got the basics down.


Tnx for the advices. At the moment I'm playing against computer just to get the hang of the openings against different matchups until it becomes like a muscle memory to perform these openings
I noticed bio is so fragile, lose track of them out on the map for just a few seconds and they are gone.

Proper use of vultures, mines, big macro can wait. I'm taking small steps.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 19 2017 14:00 GMT
#6693
On August 19 2017 15:45 Sr18 wrote:
Eonzerg is good and speaks english, but I'm not sure how much he explains during his matches.

He's sub-only'd his vods as well

Guess I'll keep looking around
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 14:55:39
August 19 2017 14:55 GMT
#6694
On August 19 2017 23:00 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 15:45 Sr18 wrote:
Eonzerg is good and speaks english, but I'm not sure how much he explains during his matches.

He's sub-only'd his vods as well

Guess I'll keep looking around

You can watch his vods on his youtube channel for free.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
August 19 2017 18:50 GMT
#6695
any image albums for how to sim city pvz on the current ladder maps?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 20:24:46
August 19 2017 20:23 GMT
#6696
On August 19 2017 23:00 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 15:45 Sr18 wrote:
Eonzerg is good and speaks english, but I'm not sure how much he explains during his matches.

He's sub-only'd his vods as well

Guess I'll keep looking around
I know you wanted english, but you can watch the translated progamer vods, its in a thread somewhere around here. Theres not a ton a ton of videos translated, but enough to get you started!

Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522793-translated-pro-videos-coordination-thread
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
August 19 2017 21:42 GMT
#6697
Will there be ranked 3v3 & 4v4?
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
jaeboss
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
68 Posts
August 19 2017 22:17 GMT
#6698
anyone know where i can find any good ZvZ guides?
JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
August 20 2017 00:21 GMT
#6699
Can someone make a map, or has a map to practice
Dt vs Spidermines
Zealot +2 vs Spidermines
Shuttle vs Spidermines
please?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Micro_Training_Maps

All purpose micro map sounds awesome, too bad that liquipedia page is deserted.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 20 2017 01:42 GMT
#6700
I was talking on twitch and someone said that patrol is better for attacking since it's two frames faster? is this true? I've been using hold position, move, hold position, move, in order to attack. is patrol better? or was the guy spouting bs?
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