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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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lestye
United States4178 Posts
On June 10 2017 08:12 CecilSunkure wrote: It seems more and more of them are switching. 1.18 is a pretty good product right now! Oh awesome. I was worried SC:R would launch disastrously and there would be skepticism/reluctance given the nature of 1.18. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 11 2017 01:38 Luddite wrote: Should be able to get some idea of his corsair count just by virtue of his other gas units. Scout his army, by experience you will eventually realize if 500+ gas is simply not there in the form of HT or goons. You could in theory also scout his main with a pair of scourge before you commit to a muta switch in the mid game.How do you know if/when you should build mutas against Protoss? Seems like half the time, the P doesn't have enough air defense and I win instantly. But the other half he has a big group of upgraded corsairs and my mutas die instantly. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
Later in the game a ball of Muta, enough to one shot high templars, complements a hydralisk based army very well. Fly in before a fight and pick off some high Templars, just flying over goons. Go behind the Protoss army and snipe reinforcing High Templars, or ones chilling at the natural. Muta tech switch late game can also be pretty scary. If the Zerg has a huge bank, after a 200/200 fight they can instantly morph a ton of Muta. Good for sniping 2-3 nexuses at the remaining Protoss mining bases. Protoss can not tech switch like this, so it can make for a good timing attack after Protoss loses their army. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
if you want to be good vs Z you should try and be aware as possible of what they are doing or not doing before you tech anything beyond building the cita, so using your probe to scout, zeals to skirmish/invade, and corsair alive and moving around try and count everything they have or dont have | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
Anyone has a download link for the new (ranked) fish maps? The ones named: F_투혼 1.3.scm E_투혼 1.3.scm etc. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
I dont think ive seen him play protoss in a while | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
source: https://www.fishserver.net/server_notice/19091336#44 1. Eliminate ladder eligibility - General game total basis: changed from 30 to 20 - Based on accumulated connection time: Changed from more than 72 hours to 36 hours | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2040 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On June 19 2017 16:28 kogeT wrote: As Bakuryu said. And yes, it's not worth to lose a bunch of minerals so early in the game. (unless the worker really gets stuck and you can target it with few of your workers with let's say 80% chance to of killing it) doesn't seem like a "bunch" of minerals, maybe 8 or 16 at most, and it weakens it so that i can clear it out faster later. But I guess it's still not worth it. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On June 19 2017 16:38 Luddite wrote: doesn't seem like a "bunch" of minerals, maybe 8 or 16 at most, and it weakens it so that i can clear it out faster later. But I guess it's still not worth it. if you grab more than 50% of your workers to kill it, you will not only lose mining time (which as you stated might not be that much), but you also have to split them again - and chances to get the worker are pretty slim anyways. In case you are planning on some fancy pocket strat or weird built, I guess it might be worth it - generally I wouldn't do it though  | ||
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Moopower
128 Posts
On June 12 2017 03:20 Headshot wrote: My PvZ has been improving (mainly just been playing Fighting Spirit), but I'm having problems with Zerg getting lurkers and sitting them right outside my natural and picking off my Forge and Gateway. At this time I'm usually busy getting up Citadel and Templar Archives, so I don't have any Obs yet. Am I getting Obs too slow? Really frustrating. Standard PvZ timing is like this Zerg Timings 5:30-5:45 is the timing of 3 hatch hydra,, so you should be building cannons at natural if you scout hydras popping out at around 5 min mark. Because 3 hatch hydra comes right as your 1st corsair comes out, you should rely on probe scouting to see it coming by checking their natural and seeing what pops out of their eggs. If they went speedlings, you have to hide your probe and come in at 5 mins and not any sooner or you might not see the hydras at the right time. 3 Hatch mutas should come around 6:30-7 depending on how he cut on economy and how committed to fast mutas, your 1st corsair will be able to spot this easily in time and if going spire and you see no hydras being built, even if he has a hydra den but you see no hydras, assume mutas, because either he has terrible macro and didnt' start building hydras to which you'll be fine due to his lousy macro, or you assumed correctly that he had mutas and block it successfully, but a lot of lings and eggs morphing with his 2nd gas taken, he's spending that gas somewhere so likely mutas. Then build cannons at main and natural and keep building corsairs and keep them alive to scourge. Protoss Timings I get stargate around 4:05-4:15 start 2nd gas after stargate starts warping in, the next 100 gas I get is going to be on +1 upgrade if rushing speedlots and then building citadel the next 100 gas, once I start warping citadel, my 2nd gas should be up and make probes mine that and get another 100 gas quickly now to get your 1st corsair as stargate finishes, then around 5:35-5:55 I get templar archives, your corsair should be out roaming too. These timings aren't set in stone and largely depends on what you plan on doing, but if you are going standard transition to zealot/ht army with speedlots to pressure zerg and maybe snipe their 3rd base or kill their drones, then this is the timing. 1st Corsair should be out 5:35-5:45 at latest, if no harassment or early fights happen that delays your tech. Observer timing should be around 9-10 minutes against standard zerg strategies. You want to get your robo around the time of your 3rd base. You secure 3rd base with cannons in the mean time you get obs. Some zergs might try to rush lurkers to contain you, so just have the game sense to see it. If you see lair and hydra den, no spire, and 2 gas, put 2 +2 together and that tells you they're likely going lurker tech. They are investing in the 2nd gas earlier so they must be spending it somewhere or they are bad. So when my 1st corsair finds their tech and I see no spire but lair with hydra den, I am building robo subsequently to prepare to get observers. If they rushed to lair like that, they won't have the hydra army to pressure you with, so it's a give and take. You just eliminate the other possibilities. So long story short, timing of your robo to get observatory depends on what zerg is doing, eliminate the other possibilities so you have a good sense and high probability that they are going for lurker tech, then start get robo. Broodwar is like chess, you can't defend against everything if you prepare for anything. You have to eliminate the other options and go counter what they are doing. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8711 Posts
On June 19 2017 16:38 Luddite wrote: doesn't seem like a "bunch" of minerals, maybe 8 or 16 at most, and it weakens it so that i can clear it out faster later. But I guess it's still not worth it. its way more than 8 or 16 you are resetting the harvesting for many workers, not just 1 or 2, if you are hoping to kill the worker. like people have said even then, youre unlikely to kill it unless it got stuck for some reason. youll probably delay your entire build by a couple seconds for no good reason. the only time you attack the scout with your workers is if they are using the scout to hit you (say, bisu harrassing with probes and you responding with 1 or 2 drones) | ||
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