• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:24
CET 22:24
KST 06:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Gypsy to Korea KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY ASL21 General Discussion mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1565 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 291

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 289 290 291 292 293 487 Next
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-22 20:10:14
December 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#5801
On December 22 2016 18:25 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 09:48 iopq wrote:
Related question: what are the proper cannon rush pylon/cannon placements for all 4 naturals on Fighting Spirit?

Lol didn't we experiment enough?

I doubt there is any such resource. You should just start PvZ vs a Zerg computer, Mind Control a Drone, and check your pathing that way. Just show me the money operation cwal in single player and you'll be set.


I only found one location (top right) where you can throw up two cannons, two pylons and attack the hatchery with both:

http://i.imgur.com/cZgeOSb.png

in bottom left, you can do the same thing, but one of the cannons doesn't reach the hatchery:

http://i.imgur.com/eovyFGx.png

bottom right you can only do one cannon with two pylons:

http://i.imgur.com/ks5OVlC.png

or three pylon two cannons:

http://i.imgur.com/LxUPwVs.png

top left you have to commit to THREE pylons or it won't be drone-tight:

http://i.imgur.com/ZOoDB6g.png


seems like top left is the best spawn to go hatch-first on, then bottom right, then bottom left, and top right is the worst

can someone come up with better placements than that?
awerti
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
227 Posts
December 22 2016 22:13 GMT
#5802
Is there a way to convert a save file into a map? I want to open a save file in map editor.
I think there was a tool for that, but I can't find it.
For Aiur!
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 24 2016 13:13 GMT
#5803
what do "X is in AT preparation" and "X is useing Starcraft Broodwar" mean?
When I type /where X.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-24 18:16:55
December 24 2016 18:16 GMT
#5804
On December 24 2016 22:13 shall_burn wrote:
what do "X is in AT preparation" and "X is useing Starcraft Broodwar" mean?
When I type /where X.

I believe AT preparation is the post-game score screen

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 24 2016 18:45 GMT
#5805

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.

yes, very vague and nothing more than "using scbw". Like, you are always somewhere: in a game, in some channel... But just "is using starcraft broodwar"? that's curious
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10304 Posts
December 24 2016 20:35 GMT
#5806
On December 25 2016 03:45 shall_burn wrote:
Show nested quote +

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.

yes, very vague and nothing more than "using scbw". Like, you are always somewhere: in a game, in some channel... But just "is using starcraft broodwar"? that's curious

That usually means player is connected but is not in any channel or any game, at least that is how it was in Diablo 2.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
December 24 2016 21:26 GMT
#5807
If you see the "using scbw" message, it means that they have not added you back as a friend, and therefore you are not getting more detailed information about them.
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-24 22:32:20
December 24 2016 22:30 GMT
#5808
If you see the "using scbw" message, it means that they have not added you back as a friend, and therefore you are not getting more detailed information about them.

no, this is not so. For example, some people ask for re-game, and if they don't show up nor answer I type "where x", and it says "x is using scbw and is currently in game 2v2 peyhton". But sometimes with the very same persone it says "using scbw". About AT preparation I also thought that it's the post-game score screen.
That usually means player is connected but is not in any channel or any game,

how can one be in no channel? When you enter iCCup you immediately join some channel. Hey, I just tested it and a thought came to me — can "using scbw" be shown if a persone is choosing what game to join atm? Or is creating a game or a channel. Basically that's just what Jealous suggested. hm
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1451 Posts
December 25 2016 10:43 GMT
#5809
I think you can be in no channel if you join a channel that is meant to be modded but is not, so that you're kicked out. You're moved into a non-channel ("The Void").

(I think, or was that WC3? lol)
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
December 25 2016 21:56 GMT
#5810
On December 25 2016 19:43 Highgamer wrote:
I think you can be in no channel if you join a channel that is meant to be modded but is not, so that you're kicked out. You're moved into a non-channel ("The Void").

(I think, or was that WC3? lol)

The Void definitely exists in BW too, that's probably what it is.

Another thing I remember, if someone was in a game that had Korean characters in the name when you /where'd them you'd just get a blank line.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 26 2016 01:44 GMT
#5811
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 26 2016 07:50 GMT
#5812
On December 26 2016 10:44 Comodore wrote:
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup

If that is really so, what is the AT preparation? It's getting more and more confusing
Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 26 2016 17:04 GMT
#5813
My guess is that AT preparation is to when you are looking channels or join games, but I don't know for sure, or is then you stay afk for long in a lobby game, like those ppl that make a lobby game and leave it for hours. But that i don't know for sure, just guessing.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
December 27 2016 20:44 GMT
#5814
On December 26 2016 16:50 shall_burn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2016 10:44 Comodore wrote:
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup

If that is really so, what is the AT preparation? It's getting more and more confusing

Ok, I just tested, turns out what I thought for years is wrong haha, "X is using starcraft broodwar" is when they're in the post-game score screen.

I don't have time to test it right now but I surmise that AT preparation is when you're in a game that has finished but you press 'continue playing' or something
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 29 2016 04:33 GMT
#5815

as far as I can tell Effort pulls his drones after seeing only an SCV and a depot being built. what part of what he saw was enough for him to know that he needed to pull drones?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-29 13:26:26
December 29 2016 13:23 GMT
#5816
Normally, Terran doesn't have to wall the natural in TvZ. They build their depots in the main, and defend the ramp if the have to.

The only reason for building that depot there in the natural is: Terran proxied the barracks for a bunker-rush, and prepares a 2-depot-semi-wall in the natural that he can close by floating the proxy-rax there, in case Zerg didn't 12hatch but early-pool or in case the rush fails.

It's a common cheese Terrans do on FS.

Also: If Terran scouts Zerg first (like in this case), and they see a 12 hatch, normally they build their CC before the second depot, cutting marines. So seeing this depot before the CC means Terran is pumping marines even though he saw there is no pool yet.

So, I guess, for Effort two things point towards "time to pull the drones": a) 12hatch, yet 2nd depot before CC, b) depot in this particular spot.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 29 2016 16:00 GMT
#5817
thanks
brood war for life, brood war forever
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
December 31 2016 13:05 GMT
#5818
I have just one minor thing to add, Effort also saw that the Barracks is not part of the wall, so it could only be an 8rax.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 31 2016 13:14 GMT
#5819
If it's TvP and I'm caught while moving, how do I react? Do I siege and lay mines ASAP, do I fight unsieged, or do I retreat?
It seems that siege tanks w/o mines around them kill themselves and die to zealots/dragoons. Unsieged, there is no friendly fire, but the firepower is so much weaker. If I retreat, tanks are so slow and I lose some (not even trade, plain lose). So what do I do?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28779 Posts
December 31 2016 13:50 GMT
#5820
it's always situational, but in general I would argue that the best course of action is to lay mines and retreat tanks. it depends how 'caught' you are and the sizes of the armies and how long you have to retreat for, but generally, if you start sieging without a protective mine field when zealots and goons are already within like, 10 matrixes of your units, then that's a pretty huge disaster.

losing your tank force often equates to losing the game in tvp. vultures however are highly expendable. being caught while moving means you're never gonna get a favorable engagement, so what you are doing is basically damage control. Using vultures to lay mines while retreating your tank force will usually mean that your vultures mostly die and your tanks mostly live.

alternatively if your army is superior to his, you can siege the back tanks and engage with unsieged units - this can be smart if you for example just killed most of his army and he's trying to buy time while reproducing.
Moderator
Prev 1 289 290 291 292 293 487 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 155
ProTech149
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18001
Shuttle 209
Bonyth 80
Aegong 54
LancerX 28
NaDa 15
IntoTheRainbow 9
Dota 2
Gorgc7626
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu378
Other Games
summit1g6293
Grubby3435
Beastyqt657
shahzam592
trigger250
ArmadaUGS215
mouzStarbuck215
C9.Mang0192
crisheroes147
KnowMe146
Hui .88
ZombieGrub39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1621
StarCraft 2
angryscii 29
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 62
• musti20045 49
• mYiSmile112
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2889
• WagamamaTV574
• lizZardDota243
Other Games
• imaqtpie1079
• Scarra590
• Shiphtur152
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
12h 36m
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
Platinum Heroes Events
17h 36m
BSL
22h 36m
RSL Revival
1d 12h
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
1d 14h
BSL
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.