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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-22 20:10:14
December 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#5801
On December 22 2016 18:25 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 09:48 iopq wrote:
Related question: what are the proper cannon rush pylon/cannon placements for all 4 naturals on Fighting Spirit?

Lol didn't we experiment enough?

I doubt there is any such resource. You should just start PvZ vs a Zerg computer, Mind Control a Drone, and check your pathing that way. Just show me the money operation cwal in single player and you'll be set.


I only found one location (top right) where you can throw up two cannons, two pylons and attack the hatchery with both:

http://i.imgur.com/cZgeOSb.png

in bottom left, you can do the same thing, but one of the cannons doesn't reach the hatchery:

http://i.imgur.com/eovyFGx.png

bottom right you can only do one cannon with two pylons:

http://i.imgur.com/ks5OVlC.png

or three pylon two cannons:

http://i.imgur.com/LxUPwVs.png

top left you have to commit to THREE pylons or it won't be drone-tight:

http://i.imgur.com/ZOoDB6g.png


seems like top left is the best spawn to go hatch-first on, then bottom right, then bottom left, and top right is the worst

can someone come up with better placements than that?
awerti
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
227 Posts
December 22 2016 22:13 GMT
#5802
Is there a way to convert a save file into a map? I want to open a save file in map editor.
I think there was a tool for that, but I can't find it.
For Aiur!
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 24 2016 13:13 GMT
#5803
what do "X is in AT preparation" and "X is useing Starcraft Broodwar" mean?
When I type /where X.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-24 18:16:55
December 24 2016 18:16 GMT
#5804
On December 24 2016 22:13 shall_burn wrote:
what do "X is in AT preparation" and "X is useing Starcraft Broodwar" mean?
When I type /where X.

I believe AT preparation is the post-game score screen

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 24 2016 18:45 GMT
#5805

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.

yes, very vague and nothing more than "using scbw". Like, you are always somewhere: in a game, in some channel... But just "is using starcraft broodwar"? that's curious
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
December 24 2016 20:35 GMT
#5806
On December 25 2016 03:45 shall_burn wrote:
Show nested quote +

Not 100 certain on what "using Stacraft Broodwar" means tbh, it's a bit vague lol.

yes, very vague and nothing more than "using scbw". Like, you are always somewhere: in a game, in some channel... But just "is using starcraft broodwar"? that's curious

That usually means player is connected but is not in any channel or any game, at least that is how it was in Diablo 2.
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fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
December 24 2016 21:26 GMT
#5807
If you see the "using scbw" message, it means that they have not added you back as a friend, and therefore you are not getting more detailed information about them.
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-24 22:32:20
December 24 2016 22:30 GMT
#5808
If you see the "using scbw" message, it means that they have not added you back as a friend, and therefore you are not getting more detailed information about them.

no, this is not so. For example, some people ask for re-game, and if they don't show up nor answer I type "where x", and it says "x is using scbw and is currently in game 2v2 peyhton". But sometimes with the very same persone it says "using scbw". About AT preparation I also thought that it's the post-game score screen.
That usually means player is connected but is not in any channel or any game,

how can one be in no channel? When you enter iCCup you immediately join some channel. Hey, I just tested it and a thought came to me — can "using scbw" be shown if a persone is choosing what game to join atm? Or is creating a game or a channel. Basically that's just what Jealous suggested. hm
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1448 Posts
December 25 2016 10:43 GMT
#5809
I think you can be in no channel if you join a channel that is meant to be modded but is not, so that you're kicked out. You're moved into a non-channel ("The Void").

(I think, or was that WC3? lol)
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
December 25 2016 21:56 GMT
#5810
On December 25 2016 19:43 Highgamer wrote:
I think you can be in no channel if you join a channel that is meant to be modded but is not, so that you're kicked out. You're moved into a non-channel ("The Void").

(I think, or was that WC3? lol)

The Void definitely exists in BW too, that's probably what it is.

Another thing I remember, if someone was in a game that had Korean characters in the name when you /where'd them you'd just get a blank line.
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Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 26 2016 01:44 GMT
#5811
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 26 2016 07:50 GMT
#5812
On December 26 2016 10:44 Comodore wrote:
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup

If that is really so, what is the AT preparation? It's getting more and more confusing
Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 26 2016 17:04 GMT
#5813
My guess is that AT preparation is to when you are looking channels or join games, but I don't know for sure, or is then you stay afk for long in a lobby game, like those ppl that make a lobby game and leave it for hours. But that i don't know for sure, just guessing.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
December 27 2016 20:44 GMT
#5814
On December 26 2016 16:50 shall_burn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2016 10:44 Comodore wrote:
Actually, after the game ends and pop up the screen with the scores of the match is when I noticed that u recieve this msg. If u type where x and x is in that score screen he is not in any place in iccup

If that is really so, what is the AT preparation? It's getting more and more confusing

Ok, I just tested, turns out what I thought for years is wrong haha, "X is using starcraft broodwar" is when they're in the post-game score screen.

I don't have time to test it right now but I surmise that AT preparation is when you're in a game that has finished but you press 'continue playing' or something
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 29 2016 04:33 GMT
#5815

as far as I can tell Effort pulls his drones after seeing only an SCV and a depot being built. what part of what he saw was enough for him to know that he needed to pull drones?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-29 13:26:26
December 29 2016 13:23 GMT
#5816
Normally, Terran doesn't have to wall the natural in TvZ. They build their depots in the main, and defend the ramp if the have to.

The only reason for building that depot there in the natural is: Terran proxied the barracks for a bunker-rush, and prepares a 2-depot-semi-wall in the natural that he can close by floating the proxy-rax there, in case Zerg didn't 12hatch but early-pool or in case the rush fails.

It's a common cheese Terrans do on FS.

Also: If Terran scouts Zerg first (like in this case), and they see a 12 hatch, normally they build their CC before the second depot, cutting marines. So seeing this depot before the CC means Terran is pumping marines even though he saw there is no pool yet.

So, I guess, for Effort two things point towards "time to pull the drones": a) 12hatch, yet 2nd depot before CC, b) depot in this particular spot.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 29 2016 16:00 GMT
#5817
thanks
brood war for life, brood war forever
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
December 31 2016 13:05 GMT
#5818
I have just one minor thing to add, Effort also saw that the Barracks is not part of the wall, so it could only be an 8rax.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
December 31 2016 13:14 GMT
#5819
If it's TvP and I'm caught while moving, how do I react? Do I siege and lay mines ASAP, do I fight unsieged, or do I retreat?
It seems that siege tanks w/o mines around them kill themselves and die to zealots/dragoons. Unsieged, there is no friendly fire, but the firepower is so much weaker. If I retreat, tanks are so slow and I lose some (not even trade, plain lose). So what do I do?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28751 Posts
December 31 2016 13:50 GMT
#5820
it's always situational, but in general I would argue that the best course of action is to lay mines and retreat tanks. it depends how 'caught' you are and the sizes of the armies and how long you have to retreat for, but generally, if you start sieging without a protective mine field when zealots and goons are already within like, 10 matrixes of your units, then that's a pretty huge disaster.

losing your tank force often equates to losing the game in tvp. vultures however are highly expendable. being caught while moving means you're never gonna get a favorable engagement, so what you are doing is basically damage control. Using vultures to lay mines while retreating your tank force will usually mean that your vultures mostly die and your tanks mostly live.

alternatively if your army is superior to his, you can siege the back tanks and engage with unsieged units - this can be smart if you for example just killed most of his army and he's trying to buy time while reproducing.
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