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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
holy crap art is really good. the announcers called him the terran with no fear. he was attacking a zerg that had dark swarm and lurkers HEAD ON with marines and firebats and won. wow never seen this before. any ways is the firebat considered to be melee damage or does only the splash damage work in the swarm like the splash from the archons thx | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Refer to Nada's BBQ pimpest play. =o | ||
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my-baby
United Kingdom176 Posts
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
On November 14 2004 20:02 my-baby wrote: the splash damage works inside the dark swarm... basically, all close range attack works inside the dark swarm, thats why lings are so deadly with dark swarm.. lurker will work in dark swarm for obvious reasons only the splash damage or the full damage?? | ||
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
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worst.player
625 Posts
16 damage? Goddamn that's a lot. bats are terribly underused... ;( | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
archons do only splash in it yeafirebats own. the only thing they cant take is the ultralisks. | ||
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RP80
Sweden64 Posts
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Firazpiral
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HiaTuS.
Australia235 Posts
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j-man
United States153 Posts
but yeah, firebats are good to have because they are one of the few terran units that can effectively deal damage to lurks under the cover of the swarm due to their melee nature. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17398 Posts
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choader
United States487 Posts
On November 14 2004 23:22 j-man wrote: if you ever get the chance vs. some noob zergs it is fun to occupy their swarm with your firebats/ mm/ tank and use it agains them. but yeah, firebats are good to have because they are one of the few terran units that can effectively deal damage to lurks under the cover of the swarm due to their melee nature. They're actually the _only_ terran unit that can hit a lurker under a swarm. Spider mines don't count | ||
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Jansports
United States80 Posts
On November 14 2004 19:49 ahk-gosu wrote: i just saw julyzerg vs artofterran vod holy crap art is really good. the announcers called him the terran with no fear. he was attacking a zerg that had dark swarm and lurkers HEAD ON with marines and firebats and won. wow never seen this before. any ways is the firebat considered to be melee damage or does only the splash damage work in the swarm like the splash from the archons thx Firebats Deal All their damage as Splash, Since splash works under Dswarm All of Firebats damage counts ; ) | ||
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
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HiaTuS.
Australia235 Posts
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badme
United States49 Posts
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[ErOs]~InCoGniTo
Italy513 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On November 15 2004 00:12 choader wrote: They're actually the _only_ terran unit that can hit a lurker under a swarm. Spider mines don't count What about vessel iradiate and BC yamato gun? Ok so much for being an ass. Bats matrixed rape vs lurkers under swarm if there's not too much. | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
On November 15 2004 00:12 choader wrote: They're actually the _only_ terran unit that can hit a lurker under a swarm. Spider mines don't count That's not counting tanks in siege mode (and irradiate). | ||
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Jethro
Norway95 Posts
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HiaTuS.
Australia235 Posts
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ajian
China56 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On November 15 2004 06:10 Catyoul wrote: That's not counting tanks in siege mode (and irradiate). No. On November 15 2004 07:08 Jethro wrote: Doesnt archs deliver full damage under swarm? No. | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
2373 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 15 2004 17:19 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: SCVs do full too.. Peons don't have a melee attack, it is considered ranged. | ||
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oPtioNaLk
Korea (South)564 Posts
On November 15 2004 00:01 Manit0u wrote: Hehehe, did you also know that fbats can hit from the cliff if the enemy is close enough? Wow... I must test this. =] | ||
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Allko
China297 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 15 2004 21:54 Allko wrote: firebat's attack mode is conclusive ?? Concussive, yes. | ||
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jotabeans
United States28 Posts
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LegendaryDreams
Canada1350 Posts
On November 15 2004 00:01 Manit0u wrote: Hehehe, did you also know that fbats can hit from the cliff if the enemy is close enough? WTF LOL. | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
they may also do splash damage to the unit that they are attacking. not sure. but i do know that if a firebat is in a bunker it will attack any unit that comes into its SPLASH DAMAGE radius. if it cant do the full damage to it it will still attack if it can splash some damage on it. try it | ||
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
On November 17 2004 16:15 jotabeans wrote: \lol firebats are so awesome.... i love wen they kill like 10 escaping drones at once lol its just so funny to see MY drones die =X rofl =] i was expecting you killing other drones =O | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
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Hennessy
Canada111 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 17 2004 18:11 ahk-gosu wrote: they are very strange units. they may also do splash damage to the unit that they are attacking. not sure. but i do know that if a firebat is in a bunker it will attack any unit that comes into its SPLASH DAMAGE radius. if it cant do the full damage to it it will still attack if it can splash some damage on it. try it It's not that complicated, Firebats just get +1 range inside a Bunker, the same way any other combat infantry unit does. | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
but is scrab a melee or range atack. and does it work under the swarm and web? I uninstaled SC few weeks ago and cannot check it myself. tahnks | ||
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ProudCappi
United States366 Posts
On November 17 2004 20:55 Geval wrote: off topic but is scrab a melee or range atack. and does it work under the swarm and web? I uninstaled SC few weeks ago and cannot check it myself. tahnks I am 99% sure that scarabs work under swarm. | ||
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VdP]EpiphaNy
United Kingdom992 Posts
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TheGoliath
United States682 Posts
i killed 3 lurkers with 8 bats once in micro wars, i felt like god | ||
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TheGoliath
United States682 Posts
On November 17 2004 21:52 ProudCappi wrote: I am 99% sure that scarabs work under swarm. scarabs have splash damage that works under swarm, but they can't hit lurkers or other burrowed units | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 18 2004 05:58 TheGoliath wrote: scarabs have splash damage that works under swarm, but they can't hit lurkers or other burrowed units Yes they can. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 15 2004 00:12 choader wrote: They're actually the _only_ terran unit that can hit a lurker under a swarm. Spider mines don't count nuuuuuke  | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
tank splash if you notice a lot of zerg replays you will see zerglings die to tank splash because of their low health. somethign like alurker or ultra will barely take any damage at all. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
im still pretty sure dual swarm takes away the splash damage from tanks | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
i typed ur fucking name wrong | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
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kP_cHoBo
United States439 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
What about vessel iradiate and BC yamato gun? Ok so much for being an ass. Bats matrixed rape vs lurkers under swarm if there's not too much. wORD! as expected from expert! | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On November 15 2004 19:50 Excalibur_Z wrote: Peons don't have a melee attack, it is considered ranged. For drones and probes - yes, cause they got 2 range too.Not for SCVs. | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
On November 21 2004 00:43 A3iL3r0n wrote: Seriously, I'm sick of these basic game fundamentals threads. Check out http://www.battle.net/scc/ for all of these types of questions. Bravo! Exactly.  Really, if you have basic fundamental questions please consult that link! For God's sake, you call yourselves GAMERS? | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 21 2004 05:50 Beast_Bg wrote: For drones and probes - yes, cause they got 2 range too.Not for SCVs. Try it if you don't believe me =) Harmless jab edit: HOW DID SOMEONE LIKE YOU MAKE IT TO WCG???? | ||
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Malmis
Sweden1569 Posts
SCVs have range, just like Mark says. ![[image loading]](http://img90.exs.cx/img90/213/screen50.jpg) Shows 9 scv's attacking a defiler under a swarm, 0 damage taken. Then i tested stack swarm. Didn't work with 2... didn't work with 10. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
u tested seiged tankes shooting at hydras under dual swarm malmis ? plz do if u didnt! im too tired...i thought i tested it like 3 years ago and i thought tanks didnt do any damage at all against units under dual swarm o.o!V | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
IMO it's quite simple. Tank splash damage works under swarm but normal damage does not. When theres more than 1 lurker under swarm splash damage will kill other lurkers and each other. When only 1 lurker is under swarm or far apart from each other, splash attack cant hit the single unit | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On November 21 2004 13:04 TreK[cF] wrote: scvs dont have range...still they dont work in swarm..its as weird as u can both heal and repair a scv -.-V u tested seiged tankes shooting at hydras under dual swarm malmis ? plz do if u didnt! im too tired...i thought i tested it like 3 years ago and i thought tanks didnt do any damage at all against units under dual swarm o.o!V lol, 1 swarm, 2 swarms, or 2623623 swarms don't make a difference. and yes, scv's are "ranged", they cannot hit under swarm | ||
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Malmis
Sweden1569 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
I shouldve checked out this topic earlier! amount of swarms make no difference (apart from the fact that with several swarms you really can't select units or see what is beneath them. )bat/tank works alright against lurkers under swarm actually. the thing about tanks under swarm is that they cannot ever possibly hit _one_ lurker. however, if there are two lurks reasonably close, they can kill one of them with splash. and, bats are very capable of killing 1-2-3 lurkers under swarm. and if there are more than 3 lurkers, then tanks will almost always be capable of splash-killing them. so at least in theory tank/bat > lurker under swarm. but that requires some impressive micro. (and is only a viable solution to those pesky small groups of lurker/defiler harassing your expansions, it wouldn't work in big battles. | ||
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gulii
Sweden2791 Posts
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DSky.Flayer
Finland102 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
On November 21 2004 13:58 Twisted wrote: lol, 1 swarm, 2 swarms, or 2623623 swarms don't make a difference. and yes, scv's are "ranged", they cannot hit under swarm scvs arent ranged in nature...have u ever seen a scv hit standing behind a marine like the probes and drones can do cause they have "1" in range....scvs DONT have range...still they cant hit under swarm...there is no reasonable answer to that... and yea i guess 2 swarms doesnt make any difference then... and eri u sure? i dont think tanks shooting 1 lurker burrowed can hit the other burrowed lurker next to it with its splash...im pretty sure all lurks are 100% immune to any tank damage while burrowed under swarm...the only time u can kill the lurker is when its entering the swarm and before it burrows...then u have to unseige and move back no? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
they do have to be burrowed like, in a particular way though. like, if the swarm is "above" (on the minimap) of the tank, the tank will hit a lurker burrowed 1 cm "down" of the lurker targeted. but if the other lurker is to the left or right side it will fail, unless the tank is shooting from the right or left side. I think anyway, I didn't test that. but I do know tanks can kill lurkers under swarm, just not every single lurker. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 22 2004 05:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: I've tested so yes I'm sure they do have to be burrowed like, in a particular way though. like, if the swarm is "above" (on the minimap) of the tank, the tank will hit a lurker burrowed 1 cm "down" of the lurker targeted. but if the other lurker is to the left or right side it will fail, unless the tank is shooting from the right or left side. I think anyway, I didn't test that. but I do know tanks can kill lurkers under swarm, just not every single lurker. Alternative explanation: Dark Swarm always makes projectile attacks fall slightly short of their intended target. You can use this to your advantage with some smart targetting. If you calculate that there is a Lurker in a certain location, you must gauge where to target such that the tank shell lands on the Lurker. That is, the shell will land about .5 matrices away from the Lurker, and always closer to the Tank. If there is a unit that same distance behind the Lurker, target it and the shell will land on top of the Lurker, dealing full damage. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
So it's full damage.Btw 1 armor point decreases firebat's dmg by 2 (it fires 2 wave of flame, that's why), just as the zealots' damage. | ||
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Alpha
France1495 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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Alpha
France1495 Posts
On November 15 2004 05:47 [ErOs]~InCoGniTo wrote: artofterran is exactly what his name says and yes fb's do 100% under swarm with splash inculded right ? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On November 22 2004 11:41 Naib wrote: If u read the hints in StarCraft, even Blizzard says that it's meele So it's full damage.Btw 1 armor point decreases firebat's dmg by 2 (it fires 2 wave of flame, that's why), just as the zealots' damage. Newb! Blizzard says a lot of things. That doesn't mean all their statistics and information are correct! Things change from build to build. It could be true that at one point peons did do damage under swarm, but perhaps Blizzard deemed it too powerful in some way so they removed that ability. Nobody knows more about the game than two kinds of people: hardcore player-testers and QA testers (and especially both!). | ||
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