On July 25 2004 18:53 Element)FrEaK wrote:
Protoss doesn't need alot of gas for any matchups but pvz......*blinks*.

We're talking about the PvZ imbalance on no gas nat maps jackass.

Rofl please tell me where anyone said anything about thi

Muhweli

Finland5328 Posts

July 25 2004 14:36 GMT

#22

Dunno about zvt but zvp is a lot easier when protoss only has 1 gas and 2 mineralbases =)

HeadBangaa

United States6512 Posts

July 25 2004 16:18 GMT

#23

Texas-style beans give me gas

MaTRiX[SiN]

Sweden1282 Posts

July 25 2004 17:01 GMT

#24

zvt its easier for zerg since terran cant get alot of tanks having to use most of the gas for vessels/medics/upgrades so lurkers get alot stronger that way so even thougt u'll have less lurks early on they'll be more powerfull..in zvp u can lurk/ling contain wich will be very hard for toss with 1 gas to break out from but in zvp u also have good options like 3 hat hydra or 1 base muta..1 base muta the toss will often not suspect and those it can be powerfull despait having low muta numbers...also zerglings in zvp gets very strong since toss got low gas for archons...

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

July 25 2004 17:30 GMT

#25

On July 25 2004 19:03 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
When I play protoss v zerg I am always struggling for gas for templar tech etc. Mineral only expansion is a problem for protoss I think.

against zerg, yes

against terran, it's an advantage for protoss

no gas @ natural stimulates the ancient circle of ownage: Z > P, T > Z, P > T

Mora

Canada5235 Posts

July 25 2004 18:10 GMT

#26

On July 26 2004 02:30 GroT wrote:

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against zerg, yes

against terran, it's an advantage for protoss

no gas @ natural stimulates the ancient circle of ownage: Z > P, T > Z, P > T

agreed ~!

RuGbUg

United States2347 Posts

July 25 2004 18:21 GMT

#27

On July 26 2004 02:30 GroT wrote:

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against zerg, yes

against terran, it's an advantage for protoss

no gas @ natural stimulates the ancient circle of ownage: Z > P, T > Z, P > T

isn't it Z = T on nostalgia? if the zerg secures a 3rd base, almost always the zerg wins

RuGbUg

United States2347 Posts

July 25 2004 18:22 GMT

#28

all right a reaver!

gabe.

50 Posts

July 25 2004 23:29 GMT

#29

On July 26 2004 02:01 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote:
zvt its easier for zerg since terran cant get alot of tanks having to use most of the gas for vessels/medics/upgrades so lurkers get alot stronger that way so even thougt u'll have less lurks early on they'll be more powerfull..in zvp u can lurk/ling contain wich will be very hard for toss with 1 gas to break out from but in zvp u also have good options like 3 hat hydra or 1 base muta..1 base muta the toss will often not suspect and those it can be powerfull despait having low muta numbers...also zerglings in zvp gets very strong since toss got low gas for archons...

its easier for terran. on LT, 1 base T = 2 base Z. if you take away a gas from the zerg, t will have advantage.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4514 Posts

July 25 2004 23:42 GMT

#30

some1 like nada can kill 4 lurkers with 14 marines 3 medics... so no that's not completly true --a

tomson

Poland641 Posts

July 26 2004 00:03 GMT

#31

The point is that Marines are viable vs anything that Zerg can throw at them. Pure Zerglings, on the other hand, are not.

Therefore a mineral-only expansion, apart from diminishing economical differences between a Terran who can simultaneously build workers and troops and a Zerg who can only make one at a time, mainly creates grounds for gas expansions.

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

July 26 2004 00:05 GMT

#32

Not to mention that the mineral only expand is still 7 patches on nostalgia, so you can pump rines with 6~7 rax, that combined with a constant production of tanks, you can just walk around with groups of m&m and kill expands etc. while you're building up your main force. Once you got 6 tanks, you move out, expand to gas with 3 bunkers in the choke point, and have this monster army with 60 marines.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36388 Posts

July 26 2004 00:06 GMT

#33

On July 25 2004 22:00 PheeRed.User wrote:

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Rofl please tell me where anyone said anything about thi

pheered, you said "protoss doesn't need a lot of gas for any matchup than [sic] pvz" and thus freak responded by saying that this thread is precisely about pvz imbalance with mineral only naturals, so i don't see why you are rofl other than at your own inability to read the thread correctly

Famouzze

971 Posts

July 26 2004 01:15 GMT

#34

definitely harder for toss if there's no gas in pvz. toss needs gas badly especially since storm got nerfed and you have to spend 375 gas to get an obs every time you want to laeve your main. it's also easier on zerg because every time zerg is the one who's gonna get an exp outside his nat first. so he will have a second gas long before the toss does.

but in pvt i'd rather not have a gas nat. terran needs gas a lot worse than toss in that situation i'd say, for tanks.

KillerPenguin

United States516 Posts

July 26 2004 01:33 GMT

#35

On July 26 2004 03:10 Teroru wrote:

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agreed ~!

agreed

XvObiVx

United States21 Posts

July 26 2004 01:37 GMT

#36

Z needs gas more then P does. Think about it -- Who gets to gas intensive techs first, Z or P? Z tech being lurks, mutas and P tech being temps.

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

July 26 2004 02:14 GMT

#37

You're wrong, you don't necessarily need lurkers before having your gas expand vs protoss :/

You could even do hydra's when you have proper micro vs terrans first, take gas exp and add lurker later.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36388 Posts

July 26 2004 02:21 GMT

#38

the argument is not which race uses more gas units, but rather that since the z gets its second gas (technically third expansion) much faster than the toss' third expansion, toss is at a disadvantage on maps with no gas naturals

Dang:)

United States423 Posts

July 26 2004 02:51 GMT

#39

i kinda think they would get upper hand maybe get another expo with that money

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

July 26 2004 02:56 GMT

#40

terran has a temporary upper hand sure, but in LT once terran gets a 2nd geyser zerg has to start taking the map or it's goodbye. on nostalgia if terran takes their natural zerg doesnt need the whole map to counter. and terran taking a gas outside of their natural at that point? hard?

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