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t3h.sWaRm United States202 Posts July 25 2004 08:56 GMT #1 hey ive heard alot of people say that in maps where ur 1st expo is a min only expo(ex-nostalgia), zerg has the advantage. i would think that it would b better for zerg if they had gas at the expo b/c they get it faster than the other races. plz explain y it is better for zerg(if it is at all) for the expo to b min only.

Vharox United States1037 Posts July 25 2004 09:06 GMT #2 Um, I'd rather a gas expansion b/c of mutas...

vGl-CoW Belgium8305 Posts July 25 2004 09:13 GMT #3 Because T and P need the gas more than Z does. Z can usually fast exp to that min only expo and then have the extra mineral income so you can, for example, make a decent amount of lurkerling and then you go about like a normal Z, expoing to gas expansions. P or T on the other hand usually get their expo way later than you and when they do, they don't have the advantage of a second gas, which they need pretty badly for their fancy tech units. :O This can mean that early game is a little harder for you because you can't use as much lair units but you'll have it way easier afterwards, when you're controlling multiple gasses and they have to get by on just one. That's also why ZvP is pretty imbalanced on Nostalgia, you don't really need all that much lair units in the beginning. :O

STIMEY d okgm fish Canada6140 Posts July 25 2004 09:17 GMT #4 i think cow post is good. zerg get their min only earlier than other races (as usual), but zerg also get a far away gas easier than other races would vs zerg. toss taking another main to get their 2nd gas in that situation? hard. terran doing it vs zerg? just downright weird. so they have to do something to "win" while it's just 1 gas vs 1 gas, do or die, do meaning they get to expo and probably be bigger than zerg and try to stay that way the rest of the game.

pheered.user United States2603 Posts July 25 2004 09:49 GMT #5 ? Protoss definitely beneifts the most from min only maybe not in early parts of game but protoss really doesent need alot of gas for any matchup than pvz and zeals are your main unit in pvz

Hot_Bid Braavos36379 Posts July 25 2004 09:51 GMT #6 no, protoss needs more gas because they need both templar tech and observer tech. same thing happens on dahlia, no 2nd gas makes it very difficult to break out. edit: this is for pvz

FrEaK[S.sIR] 2373 Posts July 25 2004 09:53 GMT #7 Protoss doesn't need alot of gas for any matchups but pvz......*blinks*. We're talking about the PvZ imbalance on no gas nat maps jackass.

Arbiter[frolix] United Kingdom2674 Posts July 25 2004 10:03 GMT #8 When I play protoss v zerg I am always struggling for gas for templar tech etc. Mineral only expansion is a problem for protoss I think.

Tien Russian Federation4447 Posts July 25 2004 10:05 GMT #9 Its because protoss have a harder time securing a 2nd gas expo compared to zerg. Zerg can throw hatcheries all over the map at gas expoes while protoss has to use mass zealot/temp for most of the game which is at a disadvantage vs ling/lurk contains. The thing I like about mineral only nats is that terrans cant go that stupid 2 fact tank build. Just get around 10-12 tanks and its nearly impossible for zerg unless he has double the amount of lurkers.

gabe. 50 Posts July 25 2004 10:21 GMT #10 it helps t in zvt

t3h.sWaRm United States202 Posts July 25 2004 10:21 GMT #11 ahh ic so its better b/c when near mid game, the zerg can just expo again when its safe to get gas and even if the toss//terran is contained with their expo, its only mins so they dont have 2 gases. can a zerg with only 1 gas go mutas tho? i usually go 3 hatch mutas and usually have about 900 gas to get 9 mutas when the spire is done, but i think i use my expo gas (i cant remember).

mmm.beer Canada412 Posts July 25 2004 10:32 GMT #12 No gas expo is quite doable with lurker ling when you don't have to worry bout some guy cliffing your expo.

mmm.beer Canada412 Posts July 25 2004 10:34 GMT #13 hmm how do i change this scv thingy to something else. Edit: ok i see now.

t3h.sWaRm United States202 Posts July 25 2004 10:41 GMT #14 ya but i dont ALWAYS want to go lurk/ling every time im on a map with only min expo. is muta possible? maybe with only 2 hatch? off topic: i want to upgrade my darn drone

mmm.beer Canada412 Posts July 25 2004 10:48 GMT #15 I wouldn't one gas muta vs infantry terran as my first tech.

STIMEY d okgm fish Canada6140 Posts July 25 2004 11:05 GMT #16 it's pretty bad when u think about it. u know exactly what the zerg is gonna do and yet zerg has the advantage. :|

Tien Russian Federation4447 Posts July 25 2004 11:09 GMT #17 I would never do 1 gas muta. Maybe exception on Bifrost a couple of times. Ive seen the pros use it sometimes. Like Yellow on Plains to hill, but its easy to secure expoes on that map.

t3h.sWaRm United States202 Posts July 25 2004 11:15 GMT #18 well i usually get armor upg asap so i can kill infantry without losing as much i love mutas b/c they harrass an unsespecting opponent ^^ so i guess it is possible to get 6 mutas right when spire is done and not get an upg. then ill switch to lurk/ling b/c i dont have enough gas for enough mutas to b effective against anything.

MadduX United States515 Posts July 25 2004 11:56 GMT #19 in pvz, the lack of gas at expansion hurts the protoss more than it hurts the zerg.

t3h.sWaRm United States202 Posts July 25 2004 11:57 GMT #20 thats good to kno ^^

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