[G] Frozen's FE PvP Guide - Page 9

On June 20 2011 05:25 Kiante wrote:


If you're not going to do the build properly. dont comment that it doesn't work.

On June 20 2011 05:22 Kiante wrote:
The idea of the keeping zealots alive is to do a momentum play and not let the 12 nexer get their tech/cannons in play, so rally the goons down, just 2 gate is enough and start teching to robo. if you keep them busy long enough the reaver should be a finishing blow. a B+ korean did this to me, i'll have a poke around and see if i can find the replay but i think it might've been last season, in which case i wont be able to find it in my match list

On June 20 2011 05:29 Kiante wrote:
1 gate reaver is too fragile. the 5 zealots will wreck you, you really need to go 2 gates quickly to get the momentum in the game.

On June 20 2011 06:14 dRaW wrote:
If they do 10-15 you need the forge faster, and I would ninja hide a probe somewhere on the map for a timing scout to see if they will all in follow up or expand behind it. Also if you are expanding, I would only transfer about 3 probes, maybe 4 because if they have good micro its more for you to defend if you transfer too many probes.

Robo counter: If you want to do 1gate robo, you need to non stop pump zealots until the robo is done (put 2 probe behind your zealot wall) you should have 4zlots and 5th coming when they do their 5 zlot push.

Other counter: send first zlot to their base to harass (don't lose it, just hit a few probes if you cant kill them), build 2nd gate @ 21 psi (for 2 gate goon) you will have 1zlot+1 goon and 2 more goons coming (they will finish before the 5zots get into your base) when he does his 5 zlot push you can engage @ midfield with your goon, with micro you should be absolutely fine.

Noone is B, sayle is C. not really a valid test imo.

On June 20 2011 06:21 Nymph wrote:



Because pulling goons back and pressing H takes a lot of philosophy.Anyone above C- should be able to pull it off. If someone knows build order, and knows how to micro goons, should win that. It's hard counter. And this build(12 nex) is not stable. If someone knows how to counter, he'll win.

On June 20 2011 06:42 Kiante wrote:

As a C player, when i play against a legitimate D player, i can goof off to a large extent and still win comfortably. The same logic applies from C to B. When i hit a player 3 ranks above me, i get my shit pushed in, because they're better than me. All the normal rules dont apply. why not? because everything they do is superior. their micro, their multitasking. A B+ ranked player can micro his 2 zealots to kill like 6+ probes while easily expanding and having goon micro to whittle down whatever is left of my zealot push. A C+ ranked player cant do it.

Works the same with goon micro. A C+ ranked player is going to have a harder timing organising their goon micro well enough to snipe down cannons, whereas the B+ player will be able to do it much more fluidly.

In summary, stop using false/warped information to support your incorrect arguments

On June 20 2011 07:22 Kiante wrote:
Sure. here's a replay of me(when i was C) beating a player who has multiple C- (just reaches your classification, but i couldn't find others) with 5 zealot before forge vs 10/15 gate

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=42508

ideally i would've liked the opponent to be better. but you set the benchmark not me.

note that the time it takes the 5 zealots to die to the goons just gives me enough time to get the cannons up. its tight, but it works.

just to clarify, i AM calling you a liar. I dont want that to be ambiguous. you claimed a build didn't work when you did it wrong.

liar.

On June 20 2011 07:36 Nymph wrote:


yeah it works just his bad micro sucked, then attacked into these 2 cannons having 1 almost dead goon in front and losing 3rd one also damaged, microing with his 3 goons back instead to go front/dance around in place. I said with fingers and brain. + he is not a real C- since he can't play and keep games on it(I said around C-/C level not D+/C-). But thanks for replay anyway.

On June 20 2011 06:19 Kiante wrote:

i disagree with building your forge before 5 zealots regardless of their build order. You have cannons in time to hold the 10/15 if you drop it straight after the 5th zealot(before gas and core) which is fine.

On June 20 2011 07:36 Nymph wrote:


yeah it works just his bad micro sucked, then attacked into these 2 cannons having 1 almost dead goon in front and losing 3rd one also damaged, microing with his 3 goons back instead to go front/dance around in place. I said with fingers and brain. + he is not a real C- since he can't play and keep games on it(I said around C-/C level not D+/C- + I'll be strict to on how he should do it as you were strict on how I should pull of the build) But thanks for replay anyway.



just to be clear I am saying this build is getting owned by what guy from my replay did vs what you think it should work + your guy played wrong from replay so does not count.


it dies to around C or higher ppl doing 10/15 if you make 5 lots before forge

But i am saying that noone's 10/15 vs 12 nex micro would be comparable to that of any other B ranked protoss.

On June 20 2011 07:58 Nymph wrote:
The thing is I still think 10/15 played right or proxy reaver how this guy from my replay did is working vs this. Please show me how to counter or stop argueing aswell.



I don't want to diss nOoNe but he is B zerg at best that plays very unorthodox cheesy things.

His 5h before gas is amazing but his protoss ain't.

So please stop saying what nOoNe is comparable to b or w/e and concentrate on that his offrace(C/C+ max rank if I'm right) is beating 10/15 this build.

On June 20 2011 08:19 Nymph wrote:
Kiante I can only propose you to play game vs me and check my concerns about OPs build. I think you'd be best since you're so good at this build.