EPT[G] SC2 Player's Guide to Broodwar - Page 3
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
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Ry-Masta-T
United States478 Posts
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iSTime
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On June 01 2010 13:03 dRaW wrote: Wrong, depends who you play and how competitive you are, my very first iccup season from playing Bnet USEast 3v3 bgh was B-, within 3 seasons I reached B+. I find that the people on the bnet servers tend to have either better micro / better macro or better early game multitasking than iccupers(this is one or the other, the avg skill on bnet servers is around c- clearly) because they have been around longer, or their play style is different. Being it "cheese" or w/e the play on bnet is much more unorthodox and essential to improving your skill. Lol, I'm pretty sure every single sentence is this reply is false. Unless you post your iccup profile in which case only 90% of your reply is false | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Yeah BW is definitely a different game. and if you are a BW player going to SC2 you'll have a hard time too. the only difference is your hands will be fast, but you'll be tripped up like crazy on hotkeys like i am with the BW hotkeys. if anyone wants to help me with BW i'd loooove to get some practice in. i'm so bad haha. EDIT: also i disagree stronger that for strategy BW > SC2. strategy and execution of the strategy are extremely important in SC2 and probably more important than in BW. the only reason BW's strategies are more complicated is purely due to age. tactics wise, probably right that BW > SC2 because of the awful awful AI. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 08 2010 05:08 PrinceXizor wrote: Dude i need serious help with BW. i'm a pretty good SC2 player, back before patch 13 when the lag spikes started murdering me in almost every game i played. had to play on a friends computer on a differet connection to even get a lag free game mostly. i think SC2 hates my drivers. anyway. I played BW and i'm just terrible at it. just awful. i mean i was #3 platinum (with 2k points) before diamond league existed and i can't handle BW. it's not that it's alot harder, it's that i don't know what to do. zerg is pretty rediculously different between the two games and I want help. i can handle the bad unit control, and handle (kinda) the more click-based macro, but i don't know any strategies to use, i hardly know the units, only knowing zergling( which is way different from in SC2), hydra, ultralisk (also very different), and mutalisk. >.< . Yeah BW is definitely a different game. and if you are a BW player going to SC2 you'll have a hard time too. the only difference is your hands will be fast, but you'll be tripped up like crazy on hotkeys like i am with the BW hotkeys. if anyone wants to help me with BW i'd loooove to get some practice in. i'm so bad haha. EDIT: also i disagree stronger that for strategy BW > SC2. strategy and execution of the strategy are extremely important in SC2 and probably more important than in BW. the only reason BW's strategies are more complicated is purely due to age. tactics wise, probably right that BW > SC2 because of the awful awful AI. Watch pro games. Even D-level players are incredibly precise with basic build orders, and have a reasonably good understanding of the general game-flow. You definitely won't get by with just "this unit does this"--unless you're cheesing every game, you're going to need a reasonable understanding of what should be happening at a given point in the game. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On June 01 2010 13:03 dRaW wrote: Wrong, depends who you play and how competitive you are, my very first iccup season from playing Bnet USEast 3v3 bgh was B-, within 3 seasons I reached B+. I find that the people on the bnet servers tend to have either better micro / better macro or better early game multitasking than iccupers(this is one or the other, the avg skill on bnet servers is around c- clearly) because they have been around longer, or their play style is different. Being it "cheese" or w/e the play on bnet is much more unorthodox and essential to improving your skill. Average skill level on bnet is c-.... LOL more like d- or that cpu rank thing. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On June 01 2010 13:03 dRaW wrote: Wrong, depends who you play and how competitive you are, my very first iccup season from playing Bnet USEast 3v3 bgh was B-, within 3 seasons I reached B+. I find that the people on the bnet servers tend to have either better micro / better macro or better early game multitasking than iccupers(this is one or the other, the avg skill on bnet servers is around c- clearly) because they have been around longer, or their play style is different. Being it "cheese" or w/e the play on bnet is much more unorthodox and essential to improving your skill. rofl yeah ok troll | ||
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shiftY803
200 Posts
But jeez... BW is just... hard. I guess lot of that has to do with the fact that BW doesn't have any "modern" rts features that I'm sort of used to now. | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
granted, i'm using an outdated strategy, and often in the wrong matchups, buti can tell that a lot of the players i'm beating is simply because i'm overwheming them through pure macro. watch a few progames, read a few guides, and you'll start to do fine. and by fine i mean mid-D, which is probably around average right now. | ||
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Soel
90 Posts
a D is a D my friends, and it is terribad. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 08 2010 07:04 Soel wrote: I find it hilarious all the people that are trying to pretend like their D rankings on iccup are impressive because its in bw. a D is a D my friends, and it is terribad. Honestly, "terribad" by SC1 standards is absolutely phenomenal by the standards of any other RTS. Even if you can hold a solid D, you're probably within the top 10% of all players that ever played BW, if not less than that. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2010 05:40 TheYango wrote: Watch pro games. Even D-level players are incredibly precise with basic build orders, and have a reasonably good understanding of the general game-flow. You definitely won't get by with just "this unit does this"--unless you're cheesing every game, you're going to need a reasonable understanding of what should be happening at a given point in the game. It doesn't help i don't understand some of the mechanics, apparently hydralisks and tanks deal damage based on the size of the target? i'm watching alot of pro games, have been since i started playing SC2. i'm just lacking an understanding of the game really. i'll keep watching but i feel like getting school a bunch of times and watching the replays would help me alot more. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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meathook
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
Man, I gotta say my closest match with him was a ZvZ haha! | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
If anything, they'll be equal, if not favoring bw. do you really think if two players of equal skill in bw faced each other, strategy is still stressed more in sc2? what a joke | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
I am horribad at bw(d rank) and platinum at sc2. I started out as silver though as I was new to the game but slowly moved up ranks. If you want to play bw competitively you need to dedicate tons and tons of hours into the game which I was not willing to do(so frustrating to lose 80% of the time) and as someone stated before the really really talented people can only get to C- in the span of two months. Btw, don't even dream of higher than A- unless you're korean. And yes you will lose a lot more in bw than in sc2. Unlike sc2 where your ratios are 1:1 or higher, the normal is 1:3 in iccup. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
To the good BW players (C or better)... it's sometimes hard for them to understand, I think, how many people are bad at BW. How many thousands and thousands have tried to play it. And just failed miserably. You never hear about those people. They don't write a post on TL about how they played for 6 months and never got to D+ so see ya... they just stop. Conversely, you get to C or, god forbid, B... and see people in the Chats on ICC and figure there must be a ton of B players, because these channels are pretty full... and I can find games. That is just not the case. Then, anyone on TL makes 3 threads about how the finally got to C and "yay, pat me on the back". So you might think "a good majority of these people make it to C or higher." Nope. These are the 1-2% of people who have tried to ICCup. Being in a lowbie-casual clan on ICC I've seen the people come and go. It's not something everyone can do. Not to mention all the time and practice it takes. If there were a ton of ton of C-B BW players, Platinum/Diamond would have been a lot more competitive in SC2. But the C-B BW players are SOOOOOO diluted by the influx of purely new SC2 players, its almost non existent. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2010 10:49 Conversion wrote: lol? strategy is more important in sc2 ? are you kidding me? If anything, they'll be equal, if not favoring bw. do you really think if two players of equal skill in bw faced each other, strategy is still stressed more in sc2? what a joke from watching pro games, they seem equal, with BW strats being more complicated, but i put that up to there being over a decade with brood war and months with SC2. | ||
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