I made this thread a while back. May contain some useful input.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85496&currentpage=All

Basically I was like, "I bet using sairs instead of arbs could be good in PvT" and TL was like "nooo u nooob"

Nal_rAwr

United States2611 Posts

January 30 2010 03:05 GMT

#44

On January 30 2010 10:43 Jonoman92 wrote:
I made this thread a while back. May contain some useful input.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85496&currentpage=All

Basically I was like, "I bet using sairs instead of arbs could be good in PvT" and TL was like "nooo u nooob"

meh as long as you protect your sairs from EMP, unleashing two webs per sair is VERY VERY VERY effective in PvT

its like stasis field, except it doesn't work on the vessels, so you probably will get EMP'd at some point and then its GG4U

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 30 2010 03:10 GMT

#45

The real answer is to spend all this money and gas on a couple more gateways and high templars. Good protossing.

edit -- I'm not saying this sarcastically at all. With a shuttle and a few HTs, for a little more APM you end up with something that doesn't stall terrans from attacking, but outright kills their units with brutal efficiency. If you're worried about mobility, then all these costs for corsairs, beacons, and stargates can easily afford you shuttle speed.

IT's a fun idea but protoss has such an awesome arsenal that the money is better used elsewhere. Not a weakness so much as protoss has better strengths.

Saturnize

United States2473 Posts

January 30 2010 05:10 GMT

#46

This one guy used Sairs against me in a TvP it was annoying as hell. Then again I am not very good.

leejas

United States440 Posts

January 30 2010 06:28 GMT

#47

Arbiters serve the same purpose + do more.

NiGoL

1868 Posts

January 30 2010 10:28 GMT

#48

i have won Pusan before.
And imo corsair isn't worth it, use stasis instead. D-web is horrible vs t

Severedevil

United States4839 Posts

January 30 2010 10:51 GMT

#49

As far as I can tell, there's no economic incentive for Corsairs with Dweb over Arbiters unless you're planning to get carriers, and not planning to get templar tech. Some kind of Dragoon/Carrier build (with or without Reaver) with corsairs snuck into the build cycle (two while the Fleet Beacon builds, for example, or with the Stargate placed early to get more than that) sounds like the most reasonable way to incorporate Corsairs into a PvT build.

Do stuff like only getting a couple observers to detect mines (corsairs can easily scout factory/armory count) and maaaaybe you could justify corsairs. I predict you'll end up ahead if the opponent goes for drop play, and behind against anything else, but my PvT is bollocks so I guess I'll try it out.

tYsopz

Norway215 Posts

January 30 2010 12:26 GMT

#50

I might be wrong here, but if my memory serves me right, Pusan still had a chance to advance when he played this game so this build wasn't a fun build but an attempt to win in the manliest fashion possible.

Biff The Understudy

France8185 Posts

January 30 2010 14:32 GMT

#51

There is an old game of Boxer vs I don't remember who in the hall of fame, on a blue map that I don't remember neither (very precise, I know), where his opponent break his tank contain in the middle of the map with DWeb.

Well... It was in 2001 or something.

I think that's viable when you have a huge lead and want to have fun. Otherwise why don't you just storm him to death a la Jangbi? That's just way more efficient for that much gas.

nothingbutzerg

Greece626 Posts

January 30 2010 17:41 GMT

#52

It is so viable that when it succeeds it becomes pimpest play as in F0rU vs Sync 2002/03 if i remember correctly!

Pads

England3228 Posts

January 30 2010 17:46 GMT

#53

On January 30 2010 19:28 NiGoL wrote:
i have won Pusan before.

-_-

yessod2

Brazil1 Post

February 01 2010 02:39 GMT

#54

well, i think corsair is more useful than arbiter in some maps like lost temple, python but some large maps is better use arbiters... i actually play against terran with corsair +goons and i win easily, when they come with goliaths i just use disruption web on them too (of course when that happen you have 8+ corsairs and a lot of goons).

The key with this strategy is to push just with goons and try to delay the terran army as much as you can because when your 3-4 corsairs will be ready with d-web, your opponent will have a lot of trouble. And remember: corsair is fast and is easily to remake if destroy than arbiter, cost less and d-web uses less energy. And in late games you could make carriers easily and annoying the terran's goliaths with d-web and with some ability destroy the vessel with corsairs too.

Just try for yourselves to see the difference.

lazz

Australia3119 Posts

February 01 2010 02:51 GMT

#55

Yeah, D-web totally costs less energy than stasis, good point

FishNChips

United Kingdom107 Posts

February 01 2010 03:41 GMT

#56

Strange, everyone seems to think d-web lasts 20 seconds. It lasts 8. Also, stasis doesn't last 60 seconds, it lasts 30. I think using d-web is viable if you have fast handspeed and know how to manage your units, I've used them in high ranked games successfully, but arbiters are obviously cheaper and immediately useful, plus the tech you need for arbiters should already be part of your tech tree, without counting the stargate

The choice between the two should be pretty obvious, but going mass corsairs is a lot of fun :D

BallKicker

Korea (South)84 Posts

February 01 2010 03:47 GMT

#57

I did this a couple of times.
I use it as a late game strategy or when i get my third up and running. But I have also learned that its better to spend the money on recalls or carriers.

blue_arrow

1971 Posts

February 01 2010 03:58 GMT

#58

not economically efficient enough in late-game non-carrier games imo