EPTYoutube is up!:
ret teaches you how to micro mutas!
the map he was using/is talking about can be found here:
Muta Micro Map - in replay box
Enjoy!
ret's ZvZ Muta Tutorial
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
Youtube is up!: ret teaches you how to micro mutas! the map he was using/is talking about can be found here: Muta Micro Map - in replay box Enjoy! | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
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Redunzl
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
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zergpower123
United States197 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
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frozenclaw
Canada410 Posts
Ret Hwaiting! | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On January 27 2010 12:31 zergpower123 wrote: Artosis you shouldn't be showing this, this will give Castro more ammo to use against Ret! He will watch and learn and work on his muta micro to try to beat Ret on TSL! This is all a ruse. He is teaching us the wrong way to micro mutas so that when he plays Castro, Castro will be unable to kill any scourge | ||
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DragoonPK
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
On January 27 2010 12:56 Purind wrote: This is all a ruse. He is teaching us the wrong way to micro mutas so that when he plays Castro, Castro will be unable to kill any scourge Shhh! You just ruined it all... | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
  ret went to the 3rd courage? Just curious. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
I've played the same map quite a bit, and ret is really spot on when he says you learn a lot about scourge movement and timing and stuff like that. Sometimes you can't afford to play around with stuff like that in a real game, because if you mess up your mutas don't just randomly respawn lol. I must have | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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seRapH
United States9776 Posts
On January 27 2010 13:20 love1another wrote: While looking at the BWAPI videos, there's a way for mutas to shoot backwards with little to no deceleration. Can this be done? it can be done. if you're an ai. or a hacker. there simply isn't any way for people to micro like that. we can get close, but thats it. | ||
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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No.Doubt
Canada202 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On January 27 2010 15:19 No.Doubt wrote: Are Hatchery hotkeys better to have at like 8-0 because of the hand position on P? You also need to build stuff... I dunno about you but I find 0sm or 0sd to be pretty hard. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On January 27 2010 13:20 love1another wrote: While looking at the BWAPI videos, there's a way for mutas to shoot backwards with little to no deceleration. Can this be done? Yes, but you have to actually click on the scourge.Jaedong does it in this video at 8 minutes in, it's 1 muta vs 1 scourge. Needless to say it's extremely hard. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On January 27 2010 15:48 QuakerOats wrote: You also need to build stuff... I dunno about you but I find 0sm or 0sd to be pretty hard. 2 theories/setups on this if you're looking for advice: 0sd9sd8sd - it uses 2 hands, but it allows for you to 1a2a3a with hydra/lings 1sd2sd3sd - lets you patrol with muta and build with 1 hand, can't 1a2a3a. | ||
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yenta
Poland1142 Posts
Google wrote: The website at www.scforall.com contains elements from the site vodh1.afreeca.com, which appears to host malware – software that can hurt your computer or otherwise operate without your consent. Just visiting a site that contains malware can infect your computer. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
And youre still using google chrome right? He said that the problem is between korean video sites and google chrome. Nothing he can do about it so I suggest you change browser when watching his vids. | ||
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On January 27 2010 15:53 Wonders wrote: Yes, but you have to actually click on the scourge.Jaedong does it in this video at 8 minutes in, it's 1 muta vs 1 scourge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3psd9FP7ks Needless to say it's extremely hard. I think you guys are speaking of the "chinese triangle". Not that hard to learn but it's not as useful as the "regular" patrol trick because the scourge pretty much need to be alone, or in a very stacked group, for it to work. If youre interested: | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
o wel thanks ret anyway | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
No, actually look at what Jaedong does in that game then look at the Chinese triangle. His muta literally shoots like a vulture would if it could attack scourge. The Chinese triangle is much easier to do but the muta "circles around" and faces the wrong direction for a relatively long time, so it's just not going to work if the scourge is close. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
 Thank you. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
EDIT: Stuck it on liquipedia. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
leftclick stack k done | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 27 2010 13:57 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: it can be done. if you're an ai. or a hacker. there simply isn't any way for people to micro like that. we can get close, but thats it. jaedong vs bisu colloseum 2. Liar! http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/575JD mutamicro without some deceleration (sometimes in it when he harasses the natural) | ||
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On January 27 2010 17:18 hifriend wrote: p leftclick stack k done You can only use this when your muta count is high enough though. Not really as viable when you have a low muta count since one of your mutas doesn't get to fire. Wonders: Could you elaborate more on the mechanics behind it? 1 muta vs scourge situations are always so frustrating. -_- | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:37 Artosis wrote: stop using google chrome people. it hates korean video servers. You really really really need to find a solution yourself to that google chrome message. I cringe when I think of how many regular non informed users you've lost because they were afraid of your website because of that message. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
this is the actual link to download the map, for people who cant find it  . | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
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Toolshed
337 Posts
"Hi everybody, this is Ret." "PROFESSOR RET!" ... "Professor Ret ..." | ||
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NiGoL
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Mori600
Japan311 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:47 gorchiza wrote: I have a problem guys , my scourges don't come back , when i kill them once there are no more. I am using UMS , but don't know what to do to get it work. Any advice how to activate the map ? you have to use drone to select either 6 mutas vs 6 scourges (sunken beakon) or 11 mutas vs 11 scourge (spore beakon). On January 27 2010 13:20 love1another wrote: While looking at the BWAPI videos, there's a way for mutas to shoot backwards with little to no deceleration. Can this be done? there's a set time in which mutas will decelerate if not moved, lets say it's 1 second. Given that sometimes (ret said always, but it's not completely true :}) mutas will have some delay between patrol click and shooting, which let's say is 0.5s. That means you got 0.5s left to click away and your mutas won't decelerate :}. On January 27 2010 17:18 hifriend wrote: p leftclick stack k done Not only 1 of the mutas won't shoot, but the rest of the mutas will de-stack, while increasing posibility that you will get some extra scourge hits. | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
prof ret! | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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m8
Germany32 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
(time to start winning ZvZs with mutas and not hydras or lings only) | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66355 Posts
I have never felt so gosu in my life playing as a Zerg. Thank you. Best regards, konadora | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Altair
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Armathai
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
>_> i do what i see in the video and my muta dont shoot and they just die... | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
This is seriously the most addictive thing I've done in a while lol | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
Cheers. | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
I like how ret is being open about all these things: teaching us newbies how to play, talking about his experiences in korea, streaming (even from a PC bang!! which takes a little effort to set up) etc. Met him at WCG cologne last year, such a nice guy. Best of luck in TSL, I'll root for you if you don't play against kolll or mondragon ;-) Little nation pride there sorry... Oh and during soccer world championship I never said I like you. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:37 Artosis wrote: stop using google chrome people. it hates korean video servers. not to be a dink (i love your vids), but as r1ch pointed out, chrome doesn't "hate" korean video servers. it's displaying that warning for a reason, somewhere in the interwebs connected to afreeca and sc4all is malicious code | ||
Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:37 Artosis wrote: stop using google chrome people. it hates korean video servers. LOL artosis you really shouldnt be giving tech advice =] | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:37 Artosis wrote: stop using google chrome people. it hates korean video servers. Or you can just use Google Chrome and ignore the message like I do. | ||
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Mumblee
Canada256 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17731 Posts
now need to get l10f and harem | ||
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FortuneSyn
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
On January 28 2010 05:11 FortuneSyn wrote: sac one of them?if the mutas are too close, like almost right up your ass, what do you do to get out of that? | ||
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Lanyth
Canada62 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 28 2010 06:41 Lanyth wrote: I noticed when I tried this map in single player there's like no delay between commands but when I try it in LAN alone there's like a fraction of a second delay. Is there anyway I can fix the delay or is this normal? Normal. Practice micro on lan always. | ||
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Lanyth
Canada62 Posts
Oh okay thanks I thought it was just me or something. | ||
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pindleskin
New Zealand199 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
dude. he's suuuuch a baller | ||
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..Slick...
United States202 Posts
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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iuppy
Romania31 Posts
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Stone
United Kingdom155 Posts
Reloading the map while online would be tiresome, and i know the latency for single player is much faster then iccup, so i decided to make some changes to the scoreboard, to have it reset to 0 after you lose your group of muta. I also spent quite a bit of time adding a Highest Kills (Record) feature, so that you can see what your previous record is. It turned out to be alot of laboursome coding and has more then doubled the filesize of the map. I hope you guys enjoy this version, please leave me any comments, thanks. Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?zmnejjyzojt Edit: I left hypertriggers on by mistake, so here is a more CPU friendly version without HT's. http://www.mediafire.com/?iwytf3jm20g | ||
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iuppy
Romania31 Posts
But don't agree with: On January 28 2010 16:59 Stone[MB] wrote:ret demonstrating his sick skills | ||
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WeSt
Portugal918 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:59 Stone[MB] wrote: Hey guys, i've just spent the night workin on an update for this korean muta micro map ret & artosis recommend. After seeing the video of ret demonstrating his sick skills, i gave the map a whirl my self, i did download it last year when it was first released, i noticed that the leaderboard doesnt reset by it's self, and i thought it was nice the way ret made him self a target of between 30-50. Reloading the map while online would be tiresome, and i know the latency for single player is much faster then iccup, so i decided to make some changes to the scoreboard, to have it reset to 0 after you lose your group of muta. I also spent quite a bit of time adding a Highest Kills (Record) feature, so that you can see what your previous record is. It turned out to be alot of laboursome coding and has more then doubled the filesize of the map. I hope you guys enjoy this version, please leave me any comments, thanks. Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?zmnejjyzojt Edit: I left hypertriggers on by mistake, so here is a more CPU friendly version without HT's. http://www.mediafire.com/?iwytf3jm20g Thank you so much! Trying this asap. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On January 28 2010 08:24 DreaM)XeRO wrote: didn't ret beat 3 zergs and lose 1-2 in his 4th zvz? dude. he's suuuuch a baller not only he won against 3 zergs, but he 2-0'ed them all :D, which on of the was previous courage finalist :}. P.s. Yesterday Iccup was lagging a lot for me, my friends and my clan mates, anyone else felt it? | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
u think ret's skills aren't good enoguh? : ( | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:59 Stone[MB] wrote: Hey guys, i've just spent the night workin on an update for this korean muta micro map ret & artosis recommend. After seeing the video of ret demonstrating his sick skills, i gave the map a whirl my self, i did download it last year when it was first released, i noticed that the leaderboard doesnt reset by it's self, and i thought it was nice the way ret made him self a target of between 30-50. Reloading the map while online would be tiresome, and i know the latency for single player is much faster then iccup, so i decided to make some changes to the scoreboard, to have it reset to 0 after you lose your group of muta. I also spent quite a bit of time adding a Highest Kills (Record) feature, so that you can see what your previous record is. It turned out to be alot of laboursome coding and has more then doubled the filesize of the map. I hope you guys enjoy this version, please leave me any comments, thanks. Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?zmnejjyzojt Edit: I left hypertriggers on by mistake, so here is a more CPU friendly version without HT's. http://www.mediafire.com/?iwytf3jm20g Nice man :}. You are still working on that Muta vs Muta map :}? | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On January 28 2010 16:59 Stone[MB] wrote: Hey guys, i've just spent the night workin on an update for this korean muta micro map ret & artosis recommend. After seeing the video of ret demonstrating his sick skills, i gave the map a whirl my self, i did download it last year when it was first released, i noticed that the leaderboard doesnt reset by it's self, and i thought it was nice the way ret made him self a target of between 30-50. Reloading the map while online would be tiresome, and i know the latency for single player is much faster then iccup, so i decided to make some changes to the scoreboard, to have it reset to 0 after you lose your group of muta. I also spent quite a bit of time adding a Highest Kills (Record) feature, so that you can see what your previous record is. It turned out to be alot of laboursome coding and has more then doubled the filesize of the map. I hope you guys enjoy this version, please leave me any comments, thanks. Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?zmnejjyzojt Edit: I left hypertriggers on by mistake, so here is a more CPU friendly version without HT's. http://www.mediafire.com/?iwytf3jm20g that scoreboard is excellent, thanks | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wXCl7e4Pc | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
thanks to: ret/artosis for the tutorial, stone[MB] for the reset/highscore version | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
http://www.mediafire.com/?khhwgvwutvt =D | ||
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leejas
United States440 Posts
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Belano
Sweden657 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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gundamz
United States57 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:59 scintilliaSD wrote: Or you can just use Google Chrome and ignore the message like I do. lol yeah... agree =p | ||
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agorist
United States115 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Om2hC.png) I can't fucking get it to work consistantly. I'm currently trying with (2) clicks based on what red said -- patrol behind (the circle labled P), move away (M circle, or, some spot on one of the lines). 95% of the time the patrol doesn't fire. At first, I thought that this was due to me moving away too fast (as ret mentioned),so, I tried not moving afterwards. Result? Mutas just die without shooting. I've stopped all the way down to slow speed, and, it seems the only way I can get them to shoot with patrol is to face the mutas towards the scourge, then click patrol in front of the muta, then click away. Most of the time they just de-stack into two groups and act all fucking useless. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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agorist
United States115 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On January 27 2010 16:37 Artosis wrote: stop using google chrome people. it hates korean video servers. And sucks in general | ||
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Achromic
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TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
On February 08 2010 02:24 Ryoo wrote: Im a protoss player but I will practice muta micro. > Haha, I have been doing the same thing lately. I play Protoss, but for some reason I really enjoy playing ZvZ lol. So maybe I can get my muta vs scourge micro up a little and play ZvZ more now. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
So if you were a C- ZvZer before this, and you didn't do extra practice, you can consider yourself a D+ ZvZer now. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
still cant get my mutas to NOT commit suicide | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On February 08 2010 02:37 niteReloaded wrote: This alone will cause a level shift in ZvZ. So if you were a C- ZvZer before this, and you didn't do extra practice, you can consider yourself a D+ ZvZer now. huh? | ||
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Ursadon-n-Pals
United States928 Posts
He means that everyone is going to practice this and get better. So if you don't, too bad you are only D+ now because everyone can muta micro now. | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
On February 08 2010 01:07 agorist wrote: OH, finally figured it out after two hours. By "behind" ret actually means "in front of". Fuck. Yup, me too. I got so frustrated i ragequit a couple of times. We should really exchange ideas some time ! | ||
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-ty[r]ant
United States140 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On February 08 2010 01:07 agorist wrote: OH, finally figured it out after two hours. By "behind" ret actually means "in front of". Fuck. yea i had the same aha moment.. and I had someone tell me infront before i started lol. | ||
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sib-pelle
Sweden162 Posts
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Fixee
United States4 Posts
I've DLed the map from scforall.com but I don't think it's the same map Ret uses in the video: Ret is grouping with a ling, and for the life of me, I don't get a ling when I run this map. Secondly, Ret is not continually having to move his drone to the 6-scourge beacon and the 12-scourge beacon to get new scourges each time. Do you guys just do it by hand? You can't burrow the drone since it's not researched. | ||
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BlackMesa
Kenya338 Posts
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Lingepumpe
Germany15 Posts
http://www.2shared.com/file/6DpUSh_6/mutamicro1.html http://www.multiupload.nl/EQQF2JYDP7 http://www.putlocker.com/file/C33AF9271FB716BC http://oron.com/8g1l4zsn6frp http://www.filefactory.com/file/hqyeifxhu07/n/mutamicro1.scm | ||
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rupp_lekkens
Chile64 Posts
On May 03 2012 05:41 Lingepumpe wrote: Reuploaded the map, to multiple hosts to make it harder to go down again... http://www.2shared.com/file/6DpUSh_6/mutamicro1.html http://www.multiupload.nl/EQQF2JYDP7 http://www.putlocker.com/file/C33AF9271FB716BC http://oron.com/8g1l4zsn6frp http://www.filefactory.com/file/hqyeifxhu07/n/mutamicro1.scm Thanks a lot! | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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