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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
January 15 2010 19:16 GMT
#41
On January 16 2010 03:39 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 23:00 wut_wut3 wrote:
2hatch lurker is what youre looking for

9pool
12hatch
11pool


That's a lot of pools.

--oberon

You continue to sign your posts.
--love1another
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
January 15 2010 21:20 GMT
#42
I noticed in Game 1/4 when Kwanro went fast guards, Flash plunked down 3 starports extremely quickly in both cases, and had maybe 5-6 wraiths before any guards were even morphed.

I wonder if someone could fake greater spire but instead go for something else. The wasted money would only be in the greater spire, as the fast hive is still useful (albeit not immediately).
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 15 2010 21:29 GMT
#43
9pool speed should be quite effective against Flash since it completely leaves Flash in the dark.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
January 15 2010 21:35 GMT
#44
On January 16 2010 04:16 love1another wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2010 03:39 oberon wrote:
On January 15 2010 23:00 wut_wut3 wrote:
2hatch lurker is what youre looking for

9pool
12hatch
11pool


That's a lot of pools.

--oberon

You continue to sign your posts.
--love1another


I hate to go offtopic, but I will, just this once.

I've always signed my posts on forums, the same way I always sign my email (despite knowing who it's from by the "FROM:" address). At this point, I'm going to sign all my posts on TL for all-time, just because of the hilarious reactions it gets.

Back on topic: I don't think the original poster was looking for a "build that beats Flash", because there obviously isn't one (i.e. a single build that Flash just can't handle). On the other hand, Flash's recent TvZ has followed certain patterns (denying a third), and that can certainly be countered. The problem is using such a counter-build without Flash noticing -- seems unlikely.

--oberon
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 15 2010 21:35 GMT
#45
On January 16 2010 03:43 ProoM wrote:
explain how are you going to grow up a 3rd inside your base?

It goes to show how accustomed people have gotten to greedy play when even an in-base 3rd hatchery is considered strange.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 15 2010 21:37 GMT
#46
On January 15 2010 21:14 disco wrote:
The counter to flash's TvZ is 9 pool speed.


And not let T know
:)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 15 2010 21:39 GMT
#47
This thread is identical to all of the "Counter to Bisu PvZ" threads that showed up when he was raping Zergs left and right. The conclusion that was eventually drawn was that you just have to outplay him, and the incredibly elevated level of his skill at the moment just makes that really hard.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
January 15 2010 21:48 GMT
#48
Well, lets wait on this for a little bit. IF JD can't beat him in a BO5 @ msl finals then we can start this thread up again.

I mean, kwanro took a game and was close another time. Flash isn't invincible, just playing really well.
Baller Fanclub || CheAse Fanclub || Scarlett Fanclub || LJD FIGHTING!
wut_wut3
Profile Joined December 2009
United States221 Posts
January 15 2010 22:50 GMT
#49
On January 16 2010 06:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2010 03:43 ProoM wrote:
explain how are you going to grow up a 3rd inside your base?

It goes to show how accustomed people have gotten to greedy play when even an in-base 3rd hatchery is considered strange.


yay someone remembers way back when
yes, yes i am a noob
Neon_Monkey
Profile Joined February 2008
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-16 01:48:35
January 16 2010 01:47 GMT
#50
On January 16 2010 07:50 wut_wut3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2010 06:35 TheYango wrote:
On January 16 2010 03:43 ProoM wrote:
explain how are you going to grow up a 3rd inside your base?

It goes to show how accustomed people have gotten to greedy play when even an in-base 3rd hatchery is considered strange.


yay someone remembers way back when


No one has suggested that people are saying to take a 3rd base with their 3rd hatchery while doing a 3 hatch build. The problem is that often when zergs go 3 hatch muta they gas at 16 or 17 and take their 3rd base right after their spire starts, while using 12 lings to keep T in their base. As a result Z has their 3rd almost done by the time mutas pop. However flash has always moved out and punished this, leaving Z with a really late 3rd base, a bunch of useless stockpiled minerals, and slightly later tech.

So when someone suggests taking a 3rd in your main, is sounds kind of like he is suggesting that there is a 3rd gas to take in your main rather than putting a 3rd hatch in your main (as everyone already does...)

And this thread title spoiled Kwanro vs Flash for me right before I watched it
Not that I was expecting otherwise...
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
January 16 2010 02:21 GMT
#51
jaedong in his prime is the only way.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
January 16 2010 02:38 GMT
#52
On January 15 2010 21:43 StylishVODs wrote:
Flash plays standard, there is no counter.

This really should have been the end of the discussion
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Picture
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada75 Posts
January 16 2010 02:58 GMT
#53
He doesn't get vessels that early so it'd be amazing to see JD do 2 group muta again.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 16 2010 03:05 GMT
#54
On January 16 2010 06:35 oberon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2010 04:16 love1another wrote:
On January 16 2010 03:39 oberon wrote:
On January 15 2010 23:00 wut_wut3 wrote:
2hatch lurker is what youre looking for

9pool
12hatch
11pool


That's a lot of pools.

--oberon

You continue to sign your posts.
--love1another


I hate to go offtopic, but I will, just this once.

I've always signed my posts on forums, the same way I always sign my email (despite knowing who it's from by the "FROM:" address). At this point, I'm going to sign all my posts on TL for all-time, just because of the hilarious reactions it gets.

Back on topic: I don't think the original poster was looking for a "build that beats Flash", because there obviously isn't one (i.e. a single build that Flash just can't handle). On the other hand, Flash's recent TvZ has followed certain patterns (denying a third), and that can certainly be countered. The problem is using such a counter-build without Flash noticing -- seems unlikely.

--oberon


So you're an obnoxious douche. Good to know how much value people should put into what your post.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
January 16 2010 04:54 GMT
#55
flash doesn't have a special tvz strat he does the same things every terran has been doing for the past year he just does them all a lot better
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 16 2010 05:07 GMT
#56
On January 15 2010 21:14 disco wrote:
The counter to flash's TvZ is 9 pool speed.


This.
Breaking Bad
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 16 2010 06:11 GMT
#57
2 hatch mutas probably. Even if you do that, it's still pretty risky.
Brood War loyalist
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 16 2010 06:50 GMT
#58
--- Nuked ---
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
January 16 2010 07:12 GMT
#59
Muta micro.
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 16 2010 07:16 GMT
#60
On January 16 2010 16:12 Jaxtyk wrote:
Muta micro.


Scourge flash's clowns.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
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