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Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-30 02:31:05
September 30 2009 02:30 GMT
#41
Mass scourge dont come out of an early +1 air carapace, and they definitely arent the main game plan. They just are affordable because youre making a shit ton of 75/25 units (and not much else) so you most likely have a big load of unused gas. But if youre planning to go muta scourge vs sair reaver, forget it, youre gonna lose.

On the other hand if he wasnt so sair heavy (no reavers, basically standard play), an early +1 air carapace can work real wonders, ive made a fpvod on that style. But if he "answers" really soon (basically before he can scout your tech fully) with 2 stargates it really becomes uncomfortable for you and you have to switch to hydras despite having the +1 carapace. He can still get zeals besides the corsairs; you cant get any kind of shit at all besides the muta scourge, unless you just make it a single round of muta scourge and thats gonna lose the air control.
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DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
September 30 2009 06:10 GMT
#42
sorry, but what is a fpvod?
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 30 2009 09:06 GMT
#43
On September 30 2009 15:10 DeSu wrote:
sorry, but what is a fpvod?

first person vod
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-30 13:28:43
September 30 2009 13:24 GMT
#44
On September 28 2009 14:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
Nal_rA is the original master of Reaver/Sair into Carrier PvZ, and he's the only person I've seen do it successfully (except Pj vs. sAviOr in WCG)


bisu vs jaedong on andro hello?

thats probably why hes getting bisu.

Also watch July vs Best game 3 on andro. he deals with sair reaver perfectly
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seakeritsniper
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada10 Posts
November 07 2009 22:26 GMT
#45
From what i have read, it seems sair/reaver build is powerful but expensive, it seems as though if you can manage to keep as many bases as them and protect yourself you will eventually pull through with economy. Its a very offensive build so if u can stop it, just make it less efective then they will loose in the end.
That's just my suggestion and im new so... gl and hf.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 07 2009 23:02 GMT
#46
The power of sair/reaver lies in the protoss being able to get critical mass of sairs. Once he reaches that point the protoss is almost impossible to stop. the best way to deal with it is to prevent it from even happening in the first place with scourge in the beginning of the game.

also, if the protoss is turtling just outexpand and overrun him through a war of attrition.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
November 07 2009 23:52 GMT
#47
On September 30 2009 18:06 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 15:10 DeSu wrote:
sorry, but what is a fpvod?

first person vod

first person view on demand
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
November 07 2009 23:53 GMT
#48
On November 08 2009 08:02 Ryuu314 wrote:
The power of sair/reaver lies in the protoss being able to get critical mass of sairs. Once he reaches that point the protoss is almost impossible to stop. the best way to deal with it is to prevent it from even happening in the first place with scourge in the beginning of the game.

also, if the protoss is turtling just outexpand and overrun him through a war of attrition.

the power of the sair/reaver lies in the mobility of this whole combination and the effectiveness of taking expos (hatches) out.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
November 08 2009 00:17 GMT
#49
The power of sair/reaver lies in the fact you got a speed shutle you can use for dt drop/storm drop or w/e. Heavy sair/reaver builds like ra did are not really used anymore unless on some specific maps.
Bisu/movie sair/reaver is a light sair reaver varaint into fast dt/temp for dt drop or storm drop. You only get like 2 reavers max and 1 in your shutle for initial harras and then also use shutle to harras with templar tech while massing zeals from 5 gates and so on.
Always
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States376 Posts
November 08 2009 03:02 GMT
#50
waittttt.

all that reaver harass i've been getting in TvP lately-- those are BISU'S REAVERS?!
"Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error." - Linus Pauling
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
November 08 2009 03:19 GMT
#51
On November 08 2009 08:52 ProoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2009 18:06 SilverSkyLark wrote:
On September 30 2009 15:10 DeSu wrote:
sorry, but what is a fpvod?

first person vod

first person view on demand

I thought it was first person video on demand?
kirbyraeg
Profile Joined October 2009
United States20 Posts
November 08 2009 22:29 GMT
#52
if they're bisu's reavers and corsairs, then there is no counter.

vs. sair/reaver in general, mass expo, use hydras/scourge to defend your bases and try to snipe shuttles/keep the toss from keeping his 3rd base. Sair/reaver is very gas-intensive, and if you can keep the protoss on 2 bases then their sair/reaver will be greatly limited. They'll either have to skimp on reavers (the meat of the strategy) or make fewer sairs (easier to defend your bases). Also, you might want to consider researching burrow, as it's a good response if he gets reavers into one of your mining expos, and you can also hide small groups of hydras at your bases, and unburrow them to perhaps get a surprise shuttle/corsair kill.
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
November 08 2009 22:37 GMT
#53
DeSu you wanna game soon? Im a pretty new terran and sounds like good practice partner
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MrHickoryHam54
Profile Joined January 2009
United States208 Posts
November 10 2009 03:06 GMT
#54
On November 08 2009 12:02 Always wrote:
waittttt.

all that reaver harass i've been getting in TvP lately-- those are BISU'S REAVERS?!


wait, im unclear as to what you're talking about. first off, as ppl have said earlier, bisu is the dt/sair man. thats why hes called "the revolutionist". well, i guess just because hes BISU, he can do any build successfully, but apparently not sair-reaver.

ok back to what desu was originally saying.

1. mass hydras
2. scourge to guard against shuttles. the theory behind this is: at least one scourge will chase down and hit the shuttle. as the shuttle is unloading/waiting to load the reaver and such, a second scourge can come in an finish off the shuttle.

im sorry if im explaining this like you're a complete noob. no worries, man
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