• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:17
CEST 21:17
KST 04:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0
Community News
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)1Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition245.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)117$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 152
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) 5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version) The New Patch Killed Mech! Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Tenacious Turtle Tussle Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game [BSL21] - How to Qualify to Each League ? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Current Meta TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Proposed Glossary of Strategic Uncertainty 9 hatch vs 10 hatch vs 12 hatch
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
What your "aura" says about…
Peanutsc
Mental Health In Esports: Wo…
TrAiDoS
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1447 users

[H] Zerg counter to Bisu reavers and corsairs?

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
September 28 2009 05:10 GMT
#1
Hello TL, this is my first post here so I hope i don't do anything wrong.
Anyway, so I recently started playing battlenet after endlessly raping my older brothers in starcraft, and I'm really enjoying it, I find I learn so much more playing on battlenet. Anyway, I was wondering what is the Zerg counter to the protoss going reavers and corsairs? I usually deal with the corsairs with scourge, but I'm not sure how to take out those damn reavers!

Also, a few more newbie questions:
1. Why do people ask me to ally with them when I beat them?
2. What are these C+, D- ranks and all that I keep hearing about?

Thank you in advance. And if I posted this in the wrong section do tell me.
GiftPflanZe
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Germany623 Posts
September 28 2009 05:14 GMT
#2
If you see that your opponent does sair and reavers you can usally just pump out MASS hydras to defend the drops kill the sairs and maybe kill him if he is careless.

1.Because they dont want a lose in their stats
2.That is a ladder called Iccup.There Ranks which show your skilllevel.D-,D,D+,C-,C,C+,B-,B,B+,A-,A,A+,Olympic

...
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
September 28 2009 05:15 GMT
#3
Jaedong hydralisks [image loading]
brood war for life, brood war forever
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
September 28 2009 05:26 GMT
#4
thanks. i did go hydralisks, i now see that my problem was i didn't scout for his expansions and didn't expand enough myself. One more question, why can't i select what country i'm from on TL in the profile settings. Is this because i'm under 18? Oh and also, how would I take on a lot of reavers head on (he used them at his forge wall)? Sorry for all the questions lol.
GiftPflanZe
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Germany623 Posts
September 28 2009 05:30 GMT
#5
I dont know about the country,sry.Never tried it by myself

If his wall is defend well enough you shouldnt attack but often theres a point where he does with some reaver and sairs and got 1-2 reavers on his expansion + a few cannons.you can attack snip the reaver out quickly kill the cannons and kill his expansion = gg
sure it doesent work all the time but often players are careless about their defend.Dont attack his wall if he got more then 2 well placed reaver.if he dosent harras you with his reavers and just stay at his base you can push your economeny and expand a few times
...
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
September 28 2009 05:49 GMT
#6
bisu is known for dt/sair, not reaver/sair
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
September 28 2009 05:55 GMT
#7
Nal_rA is the original master of Reaver/Sair into Carrier PvZ, and he's the only person I've seen do it successfully (except Pj vs. sAviOr in WCG)
Writer
Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
September 28 2009 06:00 GMT
#8
You should try playing here:
http://www.iccup.com/

This is the website with the ranks people are asking about. People are much better there and you will improve quicker by playing there.
spoolinoveryou
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States503 Posts
September 28 2009 06:07 GMT
#9
On September 28 2009 14:49 resonance wrote:
bisu is known for dt/sair, not reaver/sair


actuallllly bisu is known for reaver/sair also.
i remember watching this build where he went reaver/sair then transitions into sairs/carriers.
whats good?
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
September 28 2009 06:09 GMT
#10
On September 28 2009 15:00 Elite00fm wrote:
You should try playing here:
http://www.iccup.com/

This is the website with the ranks people are asking about. People are much better there and you will improve quicker by playing there.


I'll check it out, but I don't think I have the skill to play there yet.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 06:14:52
September 28 2009 06:11 GMT
#11
bisu is NOT known for reaver/sair. Of course he can play it, but the only build called the "bisu build" was the one he used in his famous 3-0 against savior, which is fe into 6+ sairs and dt harass. Bisu has used sair/reaver, but very rarely compared to other builds

and as to countering sair/reaver: mass expoing combined with a shitload of upgraded hydras, preferrably with burrow and followed by queens for ensnare and parasiting.
protect each of your bases with a group of hydras and place a couple around his base to intercept, you can use your gas for scourge and try to kill off the shuttles
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Twilight Templar
Profile Joined April 2009
99 Posts
September 28 2009 06:32 GMT
#12
I thought bisu was known for the bisu build not reaver/sair.
Bisu build: Forge FE which transitiones into sairs and DTs.
dum dadi do dum dum dee do dee da
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
September 28 2009 06:35 GMT
#13
On September 28 2009 14:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
Nal_rA is the original master of Reaver/Sair into Carrier PvZ, and he's the only person I've seen do it successfully (except Pj vs. sAviOr in WCG)

Stork? =p

countering reaver sair would be killing as many corsairs as possible with scourge/patrolling hydras before they reach the critical no. of ~7 or so. doing drops of your own, targeted at protoss
s gas expos is also good for crippling his reaver/templar count. when going hydras you'll need to keep them alive as reavers can snipe them pretty quickly.

if u manage to scourge his sairs/shuttle then it'll be a huge advantage for you cos u can go muta/hydras respectively and protoss won't be able to stop your unit composition.
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
September 28 2009 06:38 GMT
#14
On September 28 2009 15:32 Twilight Templar wrote:
I thought bisu was known for the bisu build not reaver/sair.
Bisu build: Forge FE which transitiones into sairs and DTs.


yeh i was wrong, sorry. got confused
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
September 28 2009 07:52 GMT
#15

On September 28 2009 14:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
Nal_rA is the original master of Reaver/Sair into Carrier PvZ, and he's the only person I've seen do it successfully (except Pj vs. sAviOr in WCG)


Bisu vs. Jaedong @ andromeda
Stork vs. (some zerg) @ andromeda... was notable because it lasted 90+ minutes.

both were successful sair/reaver -> carrier
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 09:01:30
September 28 2009 09:01 GMT
#16
On September 28 2009 16:52 RoieTRS wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2009 14:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
Nal_rA is the original master of Reaver/Sair into Carrier PvZ, and he's the only person I've seen do it successfully (except Pj vs. sAviOr in WCG)


Stork vs. (some zerg) @ andromeda... was notable because it lasted 90+ minutes.

GGplay...
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
September 28 2009 09:05 GMT
#17
Best counter: 5hat hydra with hydraspeed before range. check liquipedia for the BO
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
CookieswithMilk
Profile Joined September 2009
23 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 09:41:06
September 28 2009 09:36 GMT
#18
I recommend this guide:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sair/Reaver_(vs._Zerg)
It has FPVODS of S class koreans using it successfully and a list of maps that is strong for this type of build
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
September 28 2009 10:06 GMT
#19
Note that you don't want to attack his cannon / reaver defenses head on. Instead take more bases. make more units and you can drop him with hydras later on in the game.
uziasz
Profile Joined August 2009
Poland70 Posts
September 28 2009 11:40 GMT
#20
On September 28 2009 15:09 DeSu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2009 15:00 Elite00fm wrote:
You should try playing here:
http://www.iccup.com/

This is the website with the ranks people are asking about. People are much better there and you will improve quicker by playing there.


I'll check it out, but I don't think I have the skill to play there yet.


For sure everyone can play there @ least u can learn there more than on regular bettlenet.

Second thing is that its impossible to muta harass on battlenet due it high latency, so icc is much better at this point cuz there is lan latency and u can do whatever u want with ur mutas.

Thats my advice (and prolly everyone here will tell u to it also) that is better for u to leave bn and join iccup
Jaedong fan since 2007 also Navi fan
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
16:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Iba vs ZiomekLIVE!
TriGGeR vs MindelVK
Lemon vs TBD
YoungYakov vs PAPI
ArT vs sebesdes
SteadfastSC239
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 239
BRAT_OK 107
ProTech81
Livibee 75
MindelVK 29
PiGStarcraft24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27076
hero 244
Hm[arnc] 14
yabsab 13
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m2785
olofmeister2372
pashabiceps569
Stewie2K345
Foxcn187
PGG 33
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu358
Other Games
FrodaN2164
Grubby2101
ceh9571
B2W.Neo529
RotterdaM204
mouzStarbuck161
ToD155
KnowMe150
Sick124
C9.Mang0108
QueenE75
Dewaltoss54
UpATreeSC39
Trikslyr36
JuggernautJason11
ZombieGrub11
OptimusSC23
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 2
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix21
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4279
• WagamamaTV589
• lizZardDota254
League of Legends
• Nemesis5261
• TFBlade643
Other Games
• imaqtpie1428
• Shiphtur215
Upcoming Events
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3h 43m
The PondCast
14h 43m
Map Test Tournament
15h 43m
OSC
20h 43m
Map Test Tournament
1d 15h
OSC
1d 17h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Map Test Tournament
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
Safe House 2
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Map Test Tournament
3 days
OSC
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Bonyth vs Art_Of_Turtle
Razz vs rasowy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
WardiTV TLMC #15
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.