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"why have wraiths become such a rare sight in tvt and i guess in games in general?"
why have wraiths become such a rare sight in tvt
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
"why have wraiths become such a rare sight in tvt and i guess in games in general?" | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
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pheered.user
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ShiningMoon
Malaysia128 Posts
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hasuwar
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Not to mention, a turret will kill 20 of them :[ | ||
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Munkeys
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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HovZ
United States1917 Posts
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NoNameLoser
United States1508 Posts
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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Munkeys
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HovZ
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Munkeys
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
better to switch to em at end of early/mid | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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bigMommA
1985 Posts
wraiths are good if you are careful with using them | ||
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TheBarrackS_ph
Philippines23 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
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ZyPhReX
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
...No offense or anything but your stupid he meant who would let 3 wraiths attack a goliath.. | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
Open with 2 fact vult (only mine) to contain him. After you've made around 4 vults, get 2 starports, and make a few wraith, get cc, and siege mode. Then just wraith/tankdrop his cliff. Pretty solid build, only 3 fact vult might be a problem -.- | ||
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HovZ
United States1917 Posts
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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FroZZoR
China925 Posts
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iD.Twisted
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mind
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On December 16 2003 05:24 hasuwar wrote: because they are so incredibly weak. 8 damage, slow ass rate of fire, they fly pretty slowly, and they have so few hitpoints. 1 goliath beats like 3 wraith and costs less Not to mention, a turret will kill 20 of them :[ LOL | ||
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cjh
Canada857 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic950 Posts
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Sadist
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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ZyMotiC
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EvanSlayer
Brazil228 Posts
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likeboxer
Korea (South)465 Posts
wraiths are not rare in pro's T vs T. well I think newbies don't know how to use it ;p oh, I recommand you last week KT league boxer vs marine. Boxer has a gosu wraith control.  | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
Edit:Im so stupid at times ^^. | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
but if i start with wraiths i lose (against a player as good as me) so i don't do it | ||
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Singapore827 Posts
gols are more all rounder/safer in general | ||
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Moth
Sweden468 Posts
1. He FE Attack with 3-4 wraiths from 1 sg get some scv if you can, it will make him do some gols(stall him further). Expand more, scout drop and exes with your 3-4 wraiths that you didnt waste. Get up a nice tank army. 2. He goes drop. Have scouts around map so ull know were hes gonna hit so you can shoot it down, also get cloak. Expand ,get more air and mass tanks. 3 He goes air, get scanner instead of cloak, u will have some more wraith if he make cloak. Some strats of many in tvt which is the best mirror-mu i think. | ||
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FinalJustice
Canada71 Posts
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
but its hard to micro n00b looked that for them, it was not worthing =] | ||
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Moth
Sweden468 Posts
On December 17 2003 00:37 Kacas wrote: its good but its hard to micro n00b looked that for them, it was not worthing =] Say Wut? Got ure tongue stuck in the toaster? | ||
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EvanSlayer
Brazil228 Posts
On December 17 2003 00:41 Moth wrote: Say Wut? Got ure tongue stuck in the toaster? lol take it easy, our main language is portguese ;P | ||
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Moth
Sweden468 Posts
1.swedish 2.english 3.danish 4.norwegian 5.french 6.german no i dont speak a word of portuguese | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
and even better are those strat switches like nada likes to do, to start pumping wraiths in the middle of the game. | ||
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Hot77.iEy
Finland1486 Posts
2. Even without barrack scouting goliaths are too popular. This, I think appliest mostly to non-gosu games. | ||
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EvanSlayer
Brazil228 Posts
On December 17 2003 02:52 Moth wrote: hehe, ye, but did you understand him? I understand portuguese better than I understand his phrases. 1.swedish 2.english 3.danish 4.norwegian 5.french 6.german no i dont speak a word of portuguese lol no i didnt understand him but Im just trying to back up a countrymate ;P | ||
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Petachu
Canada354 Posts
maybe.. i think... | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
well, i will try to write better long time ago, all players were doing wraith coz gosu players do wraiths but, the fact of us be such a n00b, make the wraith worthless only now we are realizing that, and stop making wraith!! got it? | ||
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
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LoZeR-X
United States11 Posts
Vs zerg they can rape OL and slow down zerg mass if you choose to tech to sci fast for 3/ whatever marines and irradiate. | ||
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
On December 16 2003 05:20 stimey d okgm fish wrote: my friend told me to ask this. "why have wraiths become such a rare sight in tvt and i guess in games in general?" To answer the question as to why wraiths have *become* a rare sight in TvT: patch 1.08 Turrets were reduced to 75 minerals from 100, dropship speed was greatly increased, and goliaths were slightly improved. TvT used to be almost always a wraith war. It came to the point where many players would go 2 port wraith without cloaking because the time and cost of upgrading would mean one less wraith in whatever upcoming skirmish. A player using a non-wraith build against a wraith user would either get cliffed or contained, and you couldn't work around that with the slow dropship. | ||
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baal
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Hot77.iEy
Finland1486 Posts
On December 18 2003 11:00 baal wrote: lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths. You-are-simple. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On December 16 2003 06:08 Munkeys wrote: i dont know how they can work vs toss though. ive only seen them used well in this matchup twice, once by nyoken and the other by nada, and they were clearly playing against people much worst than themselves vs carriers yo | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
Suck-My-penis | ||
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
On December 18 2003 11:00 baal wrote: lol i rather have 10 cloacked wraiths than 11 not cloacked... the time he takes to scann in a surprise encounter you will lose atleast 3 wraiths. Usually people started getting cloaking at around 8-10 wraiths. Sure 10 cloaked is generally better than 11 uncloaked, but what about 5 cloaked vs 6 uncloaked? What about 3 cloaked vs 4 uncloaked? Also, more importantly, what about 1 uncloaked vs 2 uncloaked? Keep in mind in T:T at this time players wouldn't just let their wraiths sit around unprotected. They were either moving or on top of turrets. The late cloak-getter could still have decent chances or even the advantage after the opponent finished researching cloaking, but the fast cloak-getter was unarguably weaker up until that point. By the time the fast cloak-getter was unarguably stronger, the game was usually either decided or otherwise changed enough that it didn't matter. Its all history though, so who cares :[. | ||
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