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[Spoilers] The KeSPA Saga : OSL C Group - Page 8

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myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 13:37:02
May 13 2009 13:35 GMT
#141
On May 13 2009 22:24 qrs wrote:

Of course, the case at hand is an example of rules being abused in the most ridiculous manner: as everyone said, if the need for an anti-typing rule exists at all, there should be a penalty system, allowing for accidental/non-game-affecting typing to be treated differently from deliberate/game-affecting typing.


I agree with this, I'm just throwing it out there. Surely Kespa, with a bigger scene to handle, should be able to do these things better. But they're not.. which is pretty dumb of them.

Oh well, that's all I got. Back to studying T_T

Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
May 13 2009 13:40 GMT
#142
On May 13 2009 22:28 RubiksCube wrote:
In paragraph 13 the rules state you may type ANYTHING to request a pause and after that how the game continues is decided by the referee.

So in essence, the referee could've handled the "a" in the second game as a request to pause in order to check the keyboard language during the pause and could've just continued with the game. As it was that early in the game it clearly wasn't an "acceptance of loss" on GoRush's part.
...

very good point; I didn't think of that. Clearly a bad decision on the ref's part, then.
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RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
May 13 2009 13:54 GMT
#143
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*


Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:


In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.


Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 13 2009 13:58 GMT
#144
the fuck
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
May 13 2009 13:58 GMT
#145
On May 13 2009 22:54 RubiksCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*


Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:


In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.


Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.

Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
May 13 2009 14:05 GMT
#146
Wow, poor GoRush must feel gutted Kespa...
RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
May 13 2009 14:26 GMT
#147
On May 13 2009 22:58 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 22:54 RubiksCube wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*


Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:


In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.


Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.

Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with


No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.

The pause rule ("ppp") was bullshit and was changed as soon as something stupid happened. This was simply bullshit by the referee.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
May 13 2009 14:30 GMT
#148
boxer vs. junitoss? boxer typed "narrow entry" or somthg., junitoss went crazy because of possible proxy and scouted everywhere then rules got changed iirc?!
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
May 13 2009 14:32 GMT
#149
poor poor gorush...
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 14:34:48
May 13 2009 14:33 GMT
#150
........let's just say I'm frustrated.......

enough with the chat nazism already kespa
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 13 2009 14:48 GMT
#151
On May 13 2009 23:26 RubiksCube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 22:58 Scaramanga wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:54 RubiksCube wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*


Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:


In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.


Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.

Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with


No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.

So you're saying that KeSPA is incapable of determining what chat is and is not offensive? Are you kidding? It's not very difficult to determine what is rude or inappropriate...and yes, I'm pretty sure KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means, the hotkeys for StarCraft are no different in Korea than they are anywhere else.
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
May 13 2009 14:48 GMT
#152
I love gorush this is soo sad :/
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
May 13 2009 14:49 GMT
#153
This is pretty ridiculous - and I was cheering for GoRush too! WTF.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
May 13 2009 14:50 GMT
#154
Wow.... I'm sure glad I was sleeping thru this or else I would have become the second coming of Iris toward this KeSPA....
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 13 2009 14:53 GMT
#155
Related question: TL admins, have you decided whether these matches are going to count in Liquibet? I don't think any matches which include a disqualification or any matches which had a (post-bet) play-in including a disqualification should count for LB. We're trying to predict SC skill here, not who will accidentally type the letter "a".
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
May 13 2009 14:55 GMT
#156
On May 13 2009 23:53 JWD wrote:
Related question: TL admins, have you decided whether these matches are going to count in Liquibet? I don't think any matches which include a disqualification or any matches which had a (post-bet) play-in including a disqualification should count for LB. We're trying to predict SC skill here, not who will accidentally type the letter "a".


I agree with this and I'm not just saying that b/c I LB Gorush only to seem him lose in the worst possible way with a DQ....
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
May 13 2009 14:59 GMT
#157
could we get someone in the korean scene(NeverGG/Artosis/Idra/Tasteless) give us some info about this commotion its causing korea? what are the general reaction of most pro-gamers about this?
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
May 13 2009 15:02 GMT
#158
On May 13 2009 23:48 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 23:26 RubiksCube wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:58 Scaramanga wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:54 RubiksCube wrote:
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*


Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:


In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.

8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.


Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.

Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with


No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.

So you're saying that KeSPA is incapable of determining what chat is and is not offensive? Are you kidding? It's not very difficult to determine what is rude or inappropriate...and yes, I'm pretty sure KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means, the hotkeys for StarCraft are no different in Korea than they are anywhere else.


No it's just a lot easier to ban all unnecessary chat in games, and believe it or not a lot less controversial than a ref using some arbitrary means to determine if what you are saying is against the rules or offensive or what have you. The rules being clear cut and simple is the best way.

I haven't see the GoRush games but I imagine when he typed they paused it because they were forced to assume it was a request for a pause (assuming the P key wasnt working or something and he couldnt type p) so it's a huge disruption to the game by GoRush. I would support a warning for the first game and a disqualification the 2nd game. Concerning "ppp" though that was just a blatantly bad decision on the ref's part and the rules got changed accordingly.

This was GoRush's fault.
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
May 13 2009 15:03 GMT
#159
The players need a union. I think that's become pretty obvious over the last couple weeks.

This recent typing bullshit combined with MBC/OGN/SKT/Estro players not being able to participate in GOM has really crossed the line. There's just no one representing the players best interest these days.
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faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
May 13 2009 15:03 GMT
#160
Yeah, I would love more updates too. I'm sure the awesome translators will keep us updated though.
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