GoRush disqualified from OSL Disqualified after typing 'a'
ACE's GoRush was disqualified after not even starting the second game.
He was disqualified from the OSL after getting a 'forfeit loss' for both first and second set.
In the first set, he typed 'ㅎㅎ' and was given a 'forfeit loss', and in the second set, right after the game started, he typed 'a' and was disqualified, as according to the rules.
GoRush was hence eliminated from the OSL in such a fashion, losing both sets.
Because of GoRush's disqualification, BackHo will advance to play against Tester.
Apparently, GoRush was typing something to see if his text was in Korea or English (he wanted to avoid typing 'ㅎㅎ' again). But instead of deleting it, he accidentally typed it.
Some comments:
On May 13 2009 20:28 Smix wrote: From Backho's post-game interview:
GoRush received a forfeit loss. - I feel weird. Since the regulations were formed because of me, it almost feels like GoRush suffered a forfeit loss because of me... so I feel sorry. Because of this, even in my match against Tester I kept feeling guilty.
"Damn it Poor GoRush must be so disappointed."
"Just destroy KeSPA"
"Rules are rules, but at least use your fucking brains. This is not some elementary-school's decision making."
"Geez, wtf. What kind of rules are this? Makes starcraft dead. Fucking referees."
"Poor GoRush... is he crying?"
"I'll kill you all, KeSPA"
"e-Sports is dying..."
On May 13 2009 19:58 Smix wrote: more netizens: "this is why eSPORTs is going down the drain" "is gorush crying?" "In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8" "What kind of fucking regulations are these.. fucking throw them out fuck.." "Ah look at gorush's expression.. they're too much.." "refs with 2 wins" "though it's true gorush messed up, after kespa was formed starcraft fans are getting bored... i miss the days of when boxer and nada played together and chatted..."
On May 13 2009 20:00 LosingID8 wrote: *spoiler alert*
i would like to request that we call kespa dogspa or at least gespa in reference to how the koreans call it 개스파 instead of 케스파, where 개 means "dog" in korean and 케 is the sound "ke".
after the last couple incidents involving kespa DQing people for stupid reasons, kespa's message board has been flooded with a lot of hate from the netizens.
here are the (loosely translated) names of some of the various threads. note that these are only some of the hundreds if not thousands of complaints.
"thanks kespa. because of you i am quitting starcraft" "why is the kespa organization so stupid" "what do the old guys at the top do? they have no relation with the game" "CONGRATS: KESPA 2, PLAYERS 0" "why do refs exist?" "why does kespa exist?" "what exactly do you guys do other than make money?" "are you retards trying to get the refs killed?" "i thought the point of kespa was to further the development of esports?" "kespa is cancerous to esports" "why is the punishment to all your rules a full DQ?" "is your brain able to comprehend the word "concept"?" "개스파" "whats wrong with a regame?" "you still don't offer an official apology?" "you guys are an embarrassment"
I hate that rule, but as more and more people get dq'd I wonder why the players are stupid enough to keep typing anything else but gg and ppp. it shouldn't be that hard. the enter key is a good distance from anything you need to press to play.
Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
You can accidentally hit Enter and then order a unit to attack move without realizing you're typing a into chat, and as a result type out a when you realize it and cancel chat. On some keyboards, it's not hard to hit Enter accidentally when you 0p9p and focus on something else. Happened to me a few times.
Why not just let the players play it out until the game gives someone the "you are victorious" message, regardless of anything that happened during it, won't that make more sense... (players always leave first when they type gg anyway so there should be no problem with winner leaving or something).
yeah honestly, as coach I would tear Gorush a new one... How on earth can u manage to get disqualified for typing inappropriate stuff in 2 friggin consecutive games... Learn the rules ffs its not that hard to only type "gg" and "p/pp/ppp/ppppppppppppppppppp"
On May 13 2009 19:35 distant_voice wrote: I hate that rule, but as more and more people get dq'd I wonder why the players are stupid enough to keep typing anything else but gg and ppp. it shouldn't be that hard. the enter key is a good distance from anything you need to press to play.
As I said in the other thread; they really need to have a rule for accidental typing, dishing out warnings instead of DQ's. It's just ridiculous that GoRush could be disqualified for typing something by accident. Should change the gg-rule too; any type of forfeit should be ok.
i know kespa is pretty retarded, so when it happened to leta it was just more shit on the pile in my mind.
as a long fucking time park tae min fan, watching him lose his shot at OSL due to some stupid fucking technicality and not his own gameplay makes me very sad
On May 13 2009 19:42 Smix wrote: If an incident like this happens further down the road Ro8, Ro4.................
yeah, that's the bigger problem here. you can't enforce rules like this only some of the time, and in the late stages of a tournament it'd be fucking unreal to disqualify someone in game 5 of a tense final because he accidentally typed something or spelled 'ppp' wrong
On May 13 2009 19:45 Smix wrote: Btw kona - he didn't get a forfeit loss for the 1st set, if you look at the way they wrote it :
1세트에서 패배 선언을 하면서 ’ㅎㅎ’를 입력, 몰수패를 당한 박태민은 2세트가 시작되자 채팅창에 ‘a’를 입력하는 실수를 저질렀고, 판정 결과 규정에 따라 몰수패 처리 된 것.
They write that he wrote 'ㅎㅎ', then 'Gorush who received the forfeit loss in the beginning of the 2nd set typed 'a' and then according to regulations received a forfeit loss.
i don't read korean but if he did indeed type 'ㅎㅎ' instead of gg to surrender, the first set will be recorded as a forfeit loss.
On May 13 2009 19:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: fuck i'm really upset about this
i know kespa is pretty retarded, so when it happened to leta it was just more shit on the pile in my mind.
as a long fucking time park tae min fan, watching him lose his shot at OSL due to some stupid fucking technicality and not his own gameplay makes me very sad
On May 13 2009 19:45 Smix wrote: Btw kona - he didn't get a forfeit loss for the 1st set, if you look at the way they wrote it :
1세트에서 패배 선언을 하면서 ’ㅎㅎ’를 입력, 몰수패를 당한 박태민은 2세트가 시작되자 채팅창에 ‘a’를 입력하는 실수를 저질렀고, 판정 결과 규정에 따라 몰수패 처리 된 것.
They write that he wrote 'ㅎㅎ', then 'Gorush who received the forfeit loss in the beginning of the 2nd set typed 'a' and then according to regulations received a forfeit loss.
That part already implies that he received the forfeit loss before starting the second set
On May 13 2009 19:45 Smix wrote: Btw kona - he didn't get a forfeit loss for the 1st set, if you look at the way they wrote it :
1세트에서 패배 선언을 하면서 ’ㅎㅎ’를 입력, 몰수패를 당한 박태민은 2세트가 시작되자 채팅창에 ‘a’를 입력하는 실수를 저질렀고, 판정 결과 규정에 따라 몰수패 처리 된 것.
They write that he wrote 'ㅎㅎ', then 'Gorush who received the forfeit loss in the beginning of the 2nd set typed 'a' and then according to regulations received a forfeit loss.
That part already implies that he received the forfeit loss before starting the second set
When I first read it I thought they were just labelling him, not stating that he had already received the forfeit loss but the latter makes more sense.
Progamers need a union to fight this shit. I remember Boxer mentioning something of the sort when he and Savior interviewed each other. Hope he pulls it off, otherwise this kind of abuse is just going to go on.
more netizens: "this is why eSPORTs is going down the drain" "is gorush crying?" "In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8In contrast Backho who won 2-0 will now play Tester in a chance to qualify for Ro8" "What kind of fucking regulations are these.. fucking throw them out fuck.." "Ah look at gorush's expression.. they're too much.." "refs with 2 wins" "though it's true gorush messed up, after kespa was formed starcraft fans are getting bored... i miss the days of when boxer and nada played together and chatted..."
"get rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespaget rid of kespa" "kespa... this is wrong.. this is just wrong.. it was just the beginning.. the game just started.. you should have given a warning instead... this is just wrong.." "rules are just rules can't you just get rid of them????? why did you fucking make trashy ass rules to affect the players like this...making the games suck... you can mistakenly press something.. ah fucking bastards are dirty *spit spit
I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
I can't believe all the players just stood there and does nothing and let Kespa piss all over them, all the coaches and managers should be uniting to overthrow that piece of shit governing body, this is ridiculous...
I get this feeling that the Korean Airforce is gonna air raid that referees house tonight, that'll show them what happens when u mess with the military!!!
Things like this are just such a shame because not only do they deny the fans actual matches, but they also crush gamers' aspirations over the smallest, most trivial of mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if these incidents start putting younger potential progamers off of even applying themselves with the ideal of becoming a team member because they're so much more likely these days to be kicked out of a tournament for a reason completely unrelated to their skills as a gamer.
I like the guys from Kespa whom I have contacts with (and am grateful for all their help at finals) , but whoever is deciding on these new rules needs a swift reality check before the scene here in Korea just becomes so dense with regulations and restraint that all the fun and competativeness is leeched out of it forever.
Poor Taemin - this was no way to begin his ACE career and I doubt Chanwoong appreciates only getting further in the tournament through the sheer misfortune of a fellow player.
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
On May 13 2009 20:08 NeverGG wrote: Poor Taemin - this was no way to begin his ACE career and I doubt Chanwoong appreciates only getting further in the tournament through the sheer misfortune of a fellow player.
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
I mean in formula 1 there is FIA , which is like KeSPa, taking care of organization and stuff, and there is organization of the pilots themselves, which is trying to protect their interests in front of FIA, so FIA cant make some stupid rules which will harm the pilots professionally
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
i see
i knew it was supposed to be the player's association, but i wasn't really clear on how they got to where they are now. i never paid them any attention until they decided they owned the broadcasting rights for starcraft out of nowhere a couple years ago
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
Oh yeah, sorry, he worked WITH the original kespa, not IN it. But it still stands that they weren't always this worthless, and did work with the players/managers to create things like drafts, licenses, courage tournaments, etc.
Apparently, GoRush was typing something to see if his text was in Korea or English (hotkeys don't work when in Korean, as well as he wanted to avoid typing 'ㅎㅎ' again). But instead of deleting it, he accidentally typed it.
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
Oh yeah, sorry, he worked WITH the original kespa, not IN it. But it still stands that they weren't always this worthless, and did work with the players/managers to create things like drafts, licenses, courage tournaments, etc.
All of the coaches of Proteams work with KeSPA... Coach Cho of CJ must be the most experienced by now? He's been the coach of GO/CJ since 02-03 i think? All the other teams have had changes in their coaching staff and whatnot
On May 13 2009 20:25 Garnet wrote: 2009 Bacchus OSL Finals: Jaedong vs Casy Game one: 4 pool Game two: BBS Game three: 5 pool Game four: pp Game five: a
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
Oh yeah, sorry, he worked WITH the original kespa, not IN it. But it still stands that they weren't always this worthless, and did work with the players/managers to create things like drafts, licenses, courage tournaments, etc.
All of the coaches of Proteams work with KeSPA... Coach Cho of CJ must be the most experienced by now? He's been the coach of GO/CJ since 02-03 i think? All the other teams have had changes in their coaching staff and whatnot
more than you think
january, stx manager (eun-dong), woongjin manager (jae-kyun) and sparkyz manager (myung-geun) have been around just as along as him.
and as much as you believe they have a 'say' at kespa, it's all down to the chairman's of the parent companies of the teams more than them.
GoRush received a forfeit loss. - I feel weird. Since the regulations were formed because of me, it almost feels like GoRush suffered a forfeit loss because of me... so I feel sorry. Because of this, even in my match against Tester I kept feeling guilty.
On May 13 2009 20:28 Smix wrote: From Backho's post-game interview:
GoRush received a forfeit loss. - I feel weird. Since the regulations were formed because of me, it almost feels like GoRush suffered a forfeit loss because of me... so I feel sorry. Because of this, even in my match against Tester I kept feeling guilty.
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
Oh yeah, sorry, he worked WITH the original kespa, not IN it. But it still stands that they weren't always this worthless, and did work with the players/managers to create things like drafts, licenses, courage tournaments, etc.
All of the coaches of Proteams work with KeSPA... Coach Cho of CJ must be the most experienced by now? He's been the coach of GO/CJ since 02-03 i think? All the other teams have had changes in their coaching staff and whatnot
more than you think
january, stx manager (eun-dong), woongjin manager (jae-kyun) and sparkyz manager (myung-geun) have been around just as along as him.
Pretty sure January hasn't... she was still a progamer back then (on Khan nonetheless iirc). Didn't she compete in the Ghem TV Girl Starleague? (And maybe the MBC one ... no im pretty sure she didn't compete in that one). Wasn't sure about toona or KOR (i thought KOR had their coach changed at one point last year... mustve been something else). Other two I wasn't sure about
On May 13 2009 20:28 Smix wrote: From Backho's post-game interview:
GoRush received a forfeit loss. - I feel weird. Since the regulations were formed because of me, it almost feels like GoRush suffered a forfeit loss because of me... so I feel sorry. Because of this, even in my match against Tester I kept feeling guilty.
Meh, Backho's been through enough shit Won't hate on him now anyways
On May 13 2009 20:04 disciple wrote: I have a question actually. Is there organization or smth like that, formed by the profession gamers to protect each others interests in case of smth similar to what is happening right now.
wasn't kespa supposed to be the player's association in the first place? that's why they lobbied for shit like appearance fees
then they decided they run the show i guess
No, none of the original members of KESPA (like superdanielman) are in KESPA anymore, that's why. It was mostly made up of coaches when it was first made, and it WAS to protect the players interests.
daniel was never on KESPA afaik... he was just the manager/coach of dream team->estro
Oh yeah, sorry, he worked WITH the original kespa, not IN it. But it still stands that they weren't always this worthless, and did work with the players/managers to create things like drafts, licenses, courage tournaments, etc.
All of the coaches of Proteams work with KeSPA... Coach Cho of CJ must be the most experienced by now? He's been the coach of GO/CJ since 02-03 i think? All the other teams have had changes in their coaching staff and whatnot
more than you think
january, stx manager (eun-dong), woongjin manager (jae-kyun) and sparkyz manager (myung-geun) have been around just as along as him.
Pretty sure January hasn't... she was still a progamer back then (on Khan nonetheless iirc). Didn't she compete in the Ghem TV Girl Starleague? (And maybe the MBC one ... no im pretty sure she didn't compete in that one). Wasn't sure about toona or KOR (i thought KOR had their coach changed at one point last year... mustve been something else). Other two I wasn't sure about
she stopped playing in 2002-03 (around when the idea of pl started up on ogn) to manage the samsung team. so technically same time as coach cj. toona/pantech/wemade have gone through like 4 managerial changes through their lifetime. kor has always been the same old guy.
On May 13 2009 20:28 Smix wrote: From Backho's post-game interview:
GoRush received a forfeit loss. - I feel weird. Since the regulations were formed because of me, it almost feels like GoRush suffered a forfeit loss because of me... so I feel sorry. Because of this, even in my match against Tester I kept feeling guilty.
BackHo shouldn't feel bad because of stupid regulations. :/ But it's nice to see that he's compassionate about it.
Screw the coaches, the players must take care of this shit by themselves! Form a committee, chose a president, NaDa for example, and make of list of conditions, which KeSPa should take into consideration when organizing an event. Like airing time, schedule, typing rules, even the maps, if the majority of the players decide a given map is useless as shit it must be taken down asap... If KeSPa are not ok with the conditions given the professionals, then the players should decide not to participate, easy as that!
Apparently, GoRush was typing something to see if his text was in Korea or English (hotkeys don't work when in Korean, as well as he wanted to avoid typing 'ㅎㅎ' again). But instead of deleting it, he accidentally typed it.
The poor guy was trying to follow your rules you damn kespa T.T!
On May 13 2009 20:38 lgd-Haze wrote: This is prettu much bullcrap. After these strings of recent events I say revolution. Bring those bw-sadists down! Bring bisu or fantasy!
On the more serious note. Has GOM been been officially accepted by KeSPA? Does anyone know what KeSPA feels about GOM?
On May 13 2009 20:38 lgd-Haze wrote: This is prettu much bullcrap. After these strings of recent events I say revolution. Bring those bw-sadists down! Bring bisu or fantasy!
On the more serious note. Has GOM been been officially accepted by KeSPA? Does anyone know what KeSPA feels about GOM?
MBC, OGN, T1, and eSTRO don't participate in GOM (remember, Bisu is last season's champ) because kespa wants to shut GOM down. I'm not sure why ACE doesnt
i am fucking thankful they can't actually do anything
On May 13 2009 20:38 lgd-Haze wrote: This is prettu much bullcrap. After these strings of recent events I say revolution. Bring those bw-sadists down! Bring bisu or fantasy!
On the more serious note. Has GOM been been officially accepted by KeSPA? Does anyone know what KeSPA feels about GOM?
No Gom is still not Kespa-sanctioned.
I honestly hope they remain that way cuz kespa + anything is a bad ending .
IIRC, Basically, in the middle of the final match, final round. Gandido was leading Ryan hart (not by much) then suddenly his adaptor (or whatever tool it is for the ps3... I don't have one) brought up the ps3 menu screen in the midst of the game) Evo rules stated that the round be automatically be handed over to Ryan Hart, but ryan hart, in a very manner attitude agreed to re-game the final match. Although Hart promptly 3-0'd Gandido in that match, I think it was handled quite well.
On May 13 2009 20:38 lgd-Haze wrote: This is prettu much bullcrap. After these strings of recent events I say revolution. Bring those bw-sadists down! Bring bisu or fantasy!
On the more serious note. Has GOM been been officially accepted by KeSPA? Does anyone know what KeSPA feels about GOM?
MBC, OGN, T1, and eSTRO don't participate in GOM (remember, Bisu is last season's champ) because kespa wants to shut GOM down
i am fucking thankful they can't actually do anything
actually i think it's more MBC and OGN felt threatened by GOM so they 'boycotted', eSTRO is owned by IEG and IEG have a butt-buddy relationship with KeSPA (proleague rights thingy) so they are out, SKT participated last season but for unknown reasons didn't (maybe similar to the 'osl or msl only' policy they did some time ago link).
yep, it's completely political and political only. players on all teams are frustrated that they cannot participate in a high-prize league only for the sole fact of politics.
On May 13 2009 20:52 konadora wrote: Progamers need balls of steel and go against KeSPA
they dont need balls of steel, but to learn how to respect their own profession and to show ppl around that you cant just fuck around with what they are doing
On May 13 2009 20:52 konadora wrote: Progamers need balls of steel and go against KeSPA
they dont need balls of steel, but to learn how to respect their own profession and to show ppl around that you cant just fuck around with what they are doing
Well yeah that. Why are they letting KeSPA push them around for unreasonable and illogical reasons?
Sorry to ask since I didn't watched the gam ebut did GoRush was winning Game 1 and then got a lose because he type (some korean char here) and then lost game 2 after a secong because of typing a ???
On May 13 2009 20:34 myrmidon2537 wrote: Apparently "A" is very disturbing and game changing at the start of the game -_-
This is really... really poor... I Don't know how to word myself >< I don't see how they can logically defend their own rule. *shrug*
When my opponents type "a" in games i frantically check the area around my base for proxies.
same here, obvious "attack move"
Based on this, i think it is justified that players arn't allowed to type random shit during a match. But to instant DQ? that is waaay too harsh and out of proportion. They should have a penalty system like soccer or something, and players get like a yellow/red card based on when and how they fucked up. I mean, if it is the start of a game, surely a re-match wouldn't be tournament changing. What the fuck is up with total lack of common sense.
On May 13 2009 21:00 FaCE_1 wrote: Sorry to ask since I didn't watched the gam ebut did GoRush was winning Game 1 and then got a lose because he type (some korean char here) and then lost game 2 after a secong because of typing a ???
No, in Game 1 he was losing, so typed 'ㅎㅎ' to admit defeat, instead of 'gg'. Because of that, first game was 'forfeit loss'. Then, at second game, in order for that not to be repeated, GoRush was checking his typing language, and accidentally typed 'a'.
On May 13 2009 20:52 konadora wrote: Progamers need balls of steel and go against KeSPA
Imagine in the last Bacchus OSL the game JulyZerg vs Bisu and instead of the drop screen, July accidently typing "a'' and got disqualified . Boy was Kespa gonna get it if they actually regamed that .
Oh my fucking god, man kespa are fucking idiots i dont even understand why you cant chat ingame, some noobie got rolled and cried because there was text dogspa should stop nitpicking
Every opponent who would recieve a free win because of this rule should simply decline it and thus force the admins to a regame or a much less harsher penalty..
On May 13 2009 19:39 damenmofa wrote: yeah honestly, as coach I would tear Gorush a new one... How on earth can u manage to get disqualified for typing inappropriate stuff in 2 friggin consecutive games... Learn the rules ffs its not that hard to only type "gg" and "p/pp/ppp/ppppppppppppppppppp"
When "it's not that hard" how the fuck don't you know how to type "ppp", instead of "pp" and other variations, when the same exact rule already decided one game?
Boxer needs to start a progamers association to protect the interests of the players. He has the charisma, the intelligence and the balls to pull such a thing off.
Right now, it's like they're just exploited 16-25 years old.
IIRC, Basically, in the middle of the final match, final round. Gandido was leading Ryan hart (not by much) then suddenly his adaptor (or whatever tool it is for the ps3... I don't have one) brought up the ps3 menu screen in the midst of the game) Evo rules stated that the round be automatically be handed over to Ryan Hart, but ryan hart, in a very manner attitude agreed to re-game the final match. Although Hart promptly 3-0'd Gandido in that match, I think it was handled quite well.
Well, your example has an acceptable ending, but imagine the outcry if replaying the game changed who the winner was. In cases like that, where the accidental action affects the game, I would say that the rule needs to be DQ.
Of course, the case at hand is an example of rules being abused in the most ridiculous manner: as everyone said, if the need for an anti-typing rule exists at all, there should be a penalty system, allowing for accidental/non-game-affecting typing to be treated differently from deliberate/game-affecting typing.
I'm gonna say the same thing as in the other thread on the topic, basically the rules state under paragraph 8 that you can be disqualified if you say something other than "gg" or "GG" in order to accept a loss (which makes no sense at all, because by typing to accept a loss you have already lost, so why forfeit).
In paragraph 13 the rules state you may type ANYTHING to request a pause and after that how the game continues is decided by the referee.
So in essence, the referee could've handled the "a" in the second game as a request to pause in order to check the keyboard language during the pause and could've just continued with the game. As it was that early in the game it clearly wasn't an "acceptance of loss" on GoRush's part.
So basically, it's not the KeSPA that is being retarded here (though their rules clearly are questionable: why do you need such strict rules if you have Referees in every game? Shouldn't the refs have even more freedom to pass judgements based on the events), it was basically the Refs fault.
Of course, the case at hand is an example of rules being abused in the most ridiculous manner: as everyone said, if the need for an anti-typing rule exists at all, there should be a penalty system, allowing for accidental/non-game-affecting typing to be treated differently from deliberate/game-affecting typing.
I agree with this, I'm just throwing it out there. Surely Kespa, with a bigger scene to handle, should be able to do these things better. But they're not.. which is pretty dumb of them.
Oh well, that's all I got. Back to studying T_T
Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
On May 13 2009 22:28 RubiksCube wrote: In paragraph 13 the rules state you may type ANYTHING to request a pause and after that how the game continues is decided by the referee.
So in essence, the referee could've handled the "a" in the second game as a request to pause in order to check the keyboard language during the pause and could've just continued with the game. As it was that early in the game it clearly wasn't an "acceptance of loss" on GoRush's part. ...
very good point; I didn't think of that. Clearly a bad decision on the ref's part, then.
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with
No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.
The pause rule ("ppp") was bullshit and was changed as soon as something stupid happened. This was simply bullshit by the referee.
boxer vs. junitoss? boxer typed "narrow entry" or somthg., junitoss went crazy because of possible proxy and scouted everywhere then rules got changed iirc?!
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with
No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.
So you're saying that KeSPA is incapable of determining what chat is and is not offensive? Are you kidding? It's not very difficult to determine what is rude or inappropriate...and yes, I'm pretty sure KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means, the hotkeys for StarCraft are no different in Korea than they are anywhere else.
Related question: TL admins, have you decided whether these matches are going to count in Liquibet? I don't think any matches which include a disqualification or any matches which had a (post-bet) play-in including a disqualification should count for LB. We're trying to predict SC skill here, not who will accidentally type the letter "a".
On May 13 2009 23:53 JWD wrote: Related question: TL admins, have you decided whether these matches are going to count in Liquibet? I don't think any matches which include a disqualification or any matches which had a (post-bet) play-in including a disqualification should count for LB. We're trying to predict SC skill here, not who will accidentally type the letter "a".
I agree with this and I'm not just saying that b/c I LB Gorush only to seem him lose in the worst possible way with a DQ....
could we get someone in the korean scene(NeverGG/Artosis/Idra/Tasteless) give us some info about this commotion its causing korea? what are the general reaction of most pro-gamers about this?
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
Oh man your missing the point, its a shit rule to begin with, they have mroe important things to deal with
No, it's not a shitty rule. The only thing you can be disqualified for is typing something other than gg when you give up. It's been implemented to not only prevent trash talking when loosing (hello idra) but also preventing insider insults and jokes to happen. Like somebody could type "1a2a3a" in order to disrespect the skill of his opponent before tapping out and the KeSPA wouldn't know that it was offensive. So in order to not having to keep up with all the silly stuff netizen nerds come up with they implemented this rule.
So you're saying that KeSPA is incapable of determining what chat is and is not offensive? Are you kidding? It's not very difficult to determine what is rude or inappropriate...and yes, I'm pretty sure KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means, the hotkeys for StarCraft are no different in Korea than they are anywhere else.
No it's just a lot easier to ban all unnecessary chat in games, and believe it or not a lot less controversial than a ref using some arbitrary means to determine if what you are saying is against the rules or offensive or what have you. The rules being clear cut and simple is the best way.
I haven't see the GoRush games but I imagine when he typed they paused it because they were forced to assume it was a request for a pause (assuming the P key wasnt working or something and he couldnt type p) so it's a huge disruption to the game by GoRush. I would support a warning for the first game and a disqualification the 2nd game. Concerning "ppp" though that was just a blatantly bad decision on the ref's part and the rules got changed accordingly.
The players need a union. I think that's become pretty obvious over the last couple weeks.
This recent typing bullshit combined with MBC/OGN/SKT/Estro players not being able to participate in GOM has really crossed the line. There's just no one representing the players best interest these days.
All of this imo, is a symptom of a bigger problem... I cannot help but to think that the pro-gamers are being exploited for the facts that they're all mostly kids in their teenage years, and most of them are incapable of standing up for themselfs. Players aren't even allowed to protest against referees decision? Its time for an e-sports revolutions imo...
I think it's time that the players realize that KESPA needs them, not only the other way around. Heck, do they even need KESPA? They should really demostrate against this in some way. Some kind of strike or simply everyone agrees to type "a" in the beginning of the games.
On May 13 2009 23:48 JWD wrote: So you're saying that KeSPA is incapable of determining what chat is and is not offensive? Are you kidding? It's not very difficult to determine what is rude or inappropriate...and yes, I'm pretty sure KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means, the hotkeys for StarCraft are no different in Korea than they are anywhere else.
You gotta be kidding me. Of course I think that KeSPA knows what "1a2a3a" means. But internet flames develop faster than anything and nobody knows what stupid bullshit will be next. Also, with foreigners coming along you'll have different languages and different offensive slang to check up on.
I'm not defending what happened to GoRush, because I think he had valid reasoning for typing "a" and the opponent should not be distracted by that. I think the Refs decision was poor, especially if you think that the only reason to disqualify someone for chat according to KeSPA is if someone uses anything other than "GG" or "gg" to give up. The game had only just started, which means he wasn't giving up.
Of course, the Ref can still disqualify people for inappropriately asking for a pause (so "sex sex pussyhair" is not a valid request for pause), but to disqualifying someone for accidently typing a, when he had a very valid reason to hit Enter->a in the first placed and just forgot to hit Escape instead of Enter when it's all up to the judge is not only stupid, it's not taking the responsibilty a judge has.
On May 14 2009 00:22 LRM)TechnicS wrote: GOD WTF IS THIS... I was so waiting for GoRush's performance in this osl and this is so brutal
please someone explain to me the thought proccess of KESPA in this decision here
GoRush clearly has to be compensated somehow imo
Agreed, he doesn't deserve this shit after becoming one of ACE's first to make the ro36. Certainly everyone has accidentally typed into the chat once in a while by accident just by regular play. How the fuck can a typo change a game in any way? Don't they have anything better to do with their lives then to ruin people's careers?
Anyhow, I didn't really know what sig to put for this site, but now I do. Progaming has survived easily for the last what? 9 years without these ridiculous rules.
imagine being rich already and making it to the grand final and just typing 'a' 3 games in a row for shits n giggles. i think one of the decorated pros should do it as a big 'fuck you' to kespa..
On May 14 2009 03:33 Spanxxx wrote: imagine being rich already and making it to the grand final and just typing 'a' 3 games in a row for shits n giggles. i think one of the decorated pros should do it as a big 'fuck you' to kespa..
Hah, imagine if EVERYONE does it in every game and accidentally makes typos (It's really not that unreasonable...) No game would get played, and the next osl champ gets to be the guy who doesn't actually play! (but get disqualified of something else...)
outrageous. they really need to have a serious look at their rules and realize that these little mistakes happen, if they want to be a large e-sport you can't be all nazi over this stupid stuff, seriously.
On May 13 2009 22:28 RubiksCube wrote: So basically, it's not the KeSPA that is being retarded here (though their rules clearly are questionable: why do you need such strict rules if you have Referees in every game? Shouldn't the refs have even more freedom to pass judgements based on the events), it was basically the Refs fault.
Last time, with the "pp" issue, I felt the problem was all in the rules. Here though, I have to agree: the referee on scene had the rule-backed authority to adjudicate this as he saw fit. It was an early-game pause, but again, the ref has the authority to decide if the pause request was reasonable/accidental, and if it constituted material harm to his opponent.
Referees should know that they are there to enforce the rules and make sure that the game is fair. If a player does something that is not causing material harm to the game, then just let it go. Obviously if it was a mid-game pause, that's unacceptable. But if they're in the early game, then yes, refs need the judgment to keep going.
Apparently, GoRush was typing something to see if his text was in Korea or English (hotkeys don't work when in Korean, as well as he wanted to avoid typing 'ㅎㅎ' again).
mmm.. hotkeys do work when you're in Korean Hangul mode if the entire machine is set to Korean (which is definitely for sure over there to support lobby/ingame/names in hangul.) so if you're in Hangul during the lobby and need to build the first drone, "ㄴㅇ" is just as good as "sd".
but if your machine is like mine (English/US), hotkeys will not work when you're in Korean Hangul mode.
I never took the time to figure out why it works this way.
on a separate note: as expected, they would work in Korean Eng mode (although I'm not sure why right-ctrl does not work. maybe a difference in keyboard scan codes between english and korean keyboards. for this I switch completely over to English keyboard layout instead of Korean layout + Eng mode.)
I think the entire community is tired of stupid default wins instead of getting to you know, actually WATCH starcraft. This is going way too far, way too many DQs for non serious things...
I really hope that a DQ occurs during the finals because if it does, Kespa is going to get so much shit from it that they're going to have to be forced to reform-just like Baseball with its steroid problem. It's basically the only solution I can think of because Kespa is just that idiotic.
Kespa, by pulling these idiotic stunts, are actually probably losing a sizable amount of fans, who don't want to put up with these fucking nitpicky and really pointless rules.
Damnit Backho, why'd you have to use your offensive gg, if it wasn't for that, we might actually have had none of this shit occur.
Wow........that's incredibly gay. Kespa is doing too much things to fuck up esports. And here I thought they sort of learned their lesson when they changed the 'ppp' rule. Progamers/fans better protest against this bullshit.
On May 13 2009 23:53 JWD wrote: Related question: TL admins, have you decided whether these matches are going to count in Liquibet? I don't think any matches which include a disqualification or any matches which had a (post-bet) play-in including a disqualification should count for LB. We're trying to predict SC skill here, not who will accidentally type the letter "a".
I agree with this and I'm not just saying that b/c I LB Gorush only to seem him lose in the worst possible way with a DQ....
On May 14 2009 05:52 o3.power91 wrote: It seems either decision made by the mods for this LB is unfair . I voted Backho to qualify personally.
Backho was ahead by 1 game to be fair. Also technically GoRush DID lose the game (although unfairly). And in the end Backho 2-0'd Tester and qualified for the Ro16. I'm pretty sure no one who LB'd Backho for the first series expected GoRush to be dq'd. However they DID bet correctly, just like a case with an upset. You can argue that LB is supposedly betting on players' skill but say for example Jaedong plays against a weak no name Protoss and the Protoss cheeses and wins (it has happened before). Jaedong is still obviously the more skilled player. He still lost though. It would be unfair for the people who voted correctly to lose these points.
On the other hand GoRush did lose unfairly as I had mentioned. If the games were all played without Gayspa bullshit we don't know who would've won. Maybe GoRush would've won 2-1 after being down 0-1. Maybe he would've beat Tester as well (let's face it, Tester sucks more than almost any other player in the OSL). It would be unfair to the people who voted for GoRush if they lose points due to an unfair rule that had nothing to do with the game itself.
I remember a case once in the OSL (EVER07 or Bacchus08; I forgot which one): July vs Bisu on Blue Storm in Ro16. July went for an early aggression build that caught Bisu off guard. Technically Bisu lost the game but had never surrendered since the game got disconnected as July was about to deal the finishing blow. Before the ref made his decision of whether to give the win to July or to have a rematch, the mods had already given July-voters the point for the LB. I'm not sure what will be done this time and I'm not sure what SHOULD be done. I'm not taking either sides for now It's up to the mods.
PS. I think LB is the least of anyone's concern right about now
Even though I voted Backho for both games, I don't really mind what decision the mods make. I would just like to ask if its possible to see the graphs of the number of voters for each of the players
on a serious note, i think all players should start breaking these rules intentionally. Both players autodisqualifying on EVERY game should be enough to let Kespa know they are a bunch of idiots.
On May 14 2009 05:00 kroko wrote: Stupid GoRush. Its like he dosent know these rules ? Man, I dont play proleague, I dont even watch that often and I know this shit ....
wow you are a genius. you're also a gay fish right?
wow this is so lame.. i really want to see the progamers boycott this in some way. They should all type 'a' in every game and see what kespa does. holy shit, kespa is so dumb
On May 14 2009 07:58 .risingdragoon wrote: It's not that dumb.
Gorush made a mistake, what are you gonna do? You have to enforce your rules so people will take it seriously.
Yeah, imagine the uproar if the referee hadn't disqualified GoRush for typing a. Progamers, knowing that they can now type a and get away with it, would all start typing a. It would be anarchy.
The rule says don't type anything other than gg GG or pp/ppp. If you want to take this progaming thing to the next level, you gotta hold everyone to the same standard, so there's gonna be rules like this. And since it's still new, people are gonna fumble, test the waters, whatever.
You can't just understand this from your own "sitting at home playing" angle. It doesn't matter to you, but pros get paid to be pros. You don't wanna make a mistake in the game, so don't make a mistake pregame. It's not that hard to not press enter.
They kinda already did following the rule change when Pure and a few other guys typed something else. They let it pass and ppl kept doing it.
Since the rules are made to avoid another backho/firefist so ppl know what to do, this is a coaching issue now. Make sure your players know the rules, practice the right maps, etc.
On May 14 2009 08:16 .risingdragoon wrote: They kinda already did following the rule change when Pure and a few other guys typed something else. They let it pass and ppl kept doing it.
Since the rules are made to avoid another backho/firefist so ppl know what to do, this is a coaching issue now. Make sure your players know the rules, practice the right maps, etc.
On May 14 2009 09:23 .risingdragoon wrote: I dunno who you talking to, but here's your answer.
It's not suppose to "avoid" it, it's suppose to have the rule in place so the refs know how to call it when it happens.
Simple, if you preemptively gg, you lose. If you ziziyO you lose by forfeit.
Oh my god, here's the answer in baby talk. I suggest you listen up cus this is remedial.
backho/firefist problem is not preemptive gg itself, it's having no rule in place to give a fair and balanced call for a situation that isn't your standard GG.
solution? standardize the GG. allow no other texting.
Any nub can be anti-establishment. I suggest you use ur brain a bit.
they should impliment like a two strike rule.. first time you type something you get a warning, 2nd time its disqualify.. that would weed out the mistake typings i think.
On May 14 2009 09:35 .risingdragoon wrote: Oh my god, here's the answer in baby talk. I suggest you listen up.
backho/firefist problem is not preemptive gg itself, it's having no rule in place to give a fair and balanced call for a situation that isn't your standard GG.
solution? standardize the GG.
The fuck are you talking about. Progamers have been typing "gg", "GG", "ㅈㅈ", "ㅎㅎ", "지지", "zizi" and many more followed by the "요" or yO or y0 if they chose to.
The issue was that our favourite dumbass gg'ed before his opponent when he was clearly winning. It has always been common etiquette for the loser to type out first. The controversy was over backho typing out first, not over him saying "zizi y0".
Making a rule that players may only say "gg" or "GG" for typing out does not address the main issue of the backho/firefist controversy at all.
I suggest you read this over about five times, because it seems like your mental capabilities are rather suspect.
On May 14 2009 08:11 .risingdragoon wrote: The rule says don't type anything other than gg GG or pp/ppp. If you want to take this progaming thing to the next level, you gotta hold everyone to the same standard, so there's gonna be rules like this.
What is "the next level"? No professional sport that I know of forbids players from talking to each other. And if they did, I'm pretty sure accidentally typing a would be the equivalent of sighing and not worth disqualifying someone from a major tournament.
On May 14 2009 09:40 gameguard wrote: question : in the first game when gorush typed ㅎㅎ, was he typing gg cus he lost or was he replying to opponent's gg?
On May 14 2009 09:35 .risingdragoon wrote: Oh my god, here's the answer in baby talk. I suggest you listen up.
backho/firefist problem is not preemptive gg itself, it's having no rule in place to give a fair and balanced call for a situation that isn't your standard GG.
solution? standardize the GG.
The fuck are you talking about. Progamers have been typing "gg", "GG", "ㅈㅈ", "ㅎㅎ", "지지", "zizi" and many more followed by the "요" or yO or y0 if they chose to.
The issue was that our favourite dumbass gg'ed before his opponent when he was clearly winning. It has always been common etiquette for the loser to type out first. The controversy was over backho typing out first, not over him saying "zizi y0".
Making a rule that players may only say "gg" or "GG" for typing out does not address the main issue of the backho/firefist controversy at all.
I suggest you read this over about five times, because it seems like your mental capabilities are rather suspect.
Listen to you, what a remedial kid.
The controversy was over how to rule in a situation like this that is fair to both players. Backho won but he also surrendered. With no rules, Kespa asked firefist, which wasn't fair to him, he had to call it cus he lost.
SO you make a rule that includes all the possible scenarios, including typing GG first when you're winning and typing something else. The rule precedes all future games so it's fair to everybody. If you type ingame it's on you.
Man if you don't understand that then you stupid, that is all.
On May 14 2009 09:35 .risingdragoon wrote: Oh my god, here's the answer in baby talk. I suggest you listen up.
backho/firefist problem is not preemptive gg itself, it's having no rule in place to give a fair and balanced call for a situation that isn't your standard GG.
solution? standardize the GG.
The fuck are you talking about. Progamers have been typing "gg", "GG", "ㅈㅈ", "ㅎㅎ", "지지", "zizi" and many more followed by the "요" or yO or y0 if they chose to.
The issue was that our favourite dumbass gg'ed before his opponent when he was clearly winning. It has always been common etiquette for the loser to type out first. The controversy was over backho typing out first, not over him saying "zizi y0".
Making a rule that players may only say "gg" or "GG" for typing out does not address the main issue of the backho/firefist controversy at all.
I suggest you read this over about five times, because it seems like your mental capabilities are rather suspect.
Listen to you, what a remedial kid.
The controversy was over how to rule in a situation like this that is fair to both players. Backho won but he also surrendered. With no rules, Kespa asked firefist, which wasn't fair to him, he had to call it cus he lost.
SO you make a rule that includes all the possible scenarios, including typing GG first when you're winning and typing something else. The rule precedes all future games so it's fair to everybody. If you type ingame it's on you.
Man if you don't understand that you stupid, that is all.
Yes the rule is fair to everybody but its also retarded.
If you decided the penalty for typing in game was death by firing squad and held everybody to the same standard it'd be fair to everybody as well.
So creating a rule where you get disqualified immediately if you type anything besides "gg", "GG", and "pp/ppp" regardless of situation somehow gives referees a correct way to rule over situations where someone types out first?
But wait, a player just accidentally typed "a" at the beginning of a game and he was disqualified; how does that have anything to do with ruling over any kind of situation in a way that is fair to both players?
Do you not realize the stupidity of what you're trying to say?
You can't even agree with yourself to begin with; you're completely incapable of arguing anything coherently right now.
Obviously this is a good thing. I'm sure the 'a' was signal to someone in the audience who would then throw something at backho's booth distracting him at a key timing in the game gorush could take advantage of.
This was definitely for the players and the integrity of the game.
-_____-;;
God this is so bad...I really wanted GoRush to do well...this is the first time an ACE player has made it this far up in an individual league, isn't it?
On May 14 2009 09:58 .risingdragoon wrote: Listen, the rule is fair. It doesn't make anybody more likely to type anything over his opponent. It precedes the game so it's even.
Do ppl mistakenly type sometimes? Yeah. So in the future changes should be made. But that's not the problem today.
The REAL issue today is making sure the comp types English, and that is the responsibility of the league organizers, OGN.
Heh I'm just repeating the report. He typed a to test it. Instead of deleting it, it came out. He got disqualified. The rule says if unsanctioned text comes out, you're disqualified.
Is it harsh? Yeah. But is it fair to both players? Yeah. This whole thing, just like backho/firefist, is all about opinions.
And the opinions are always on the side of the players. I'm no lover of Kespa, but I'm still pointing out that it's not fair to them.
That doesn't make any sense. It's "fair" because it would fuck both people over equally if they mistakenly typed "a".
Sure, I guess.
But it's not a fair rule in the first place! Have these regulations EVER been enforced in a case where it wasn't an honest mistake? Assigning a penalty of disqualification for typing "a" mistakenly... what the hell is fair about that?
no ones arguing thatsthe rules are not "fair" to both players. Anything is fair to both players if it affects them equally. But is it reasonable? Its easy to accidently type something other than whats allowed. DQing them for that? Rules are there to enforce fair play by both players so that they can compete. Typing ㅎㅎ or "a" doesnt affect the gameplay in the slightest in most cases. Only in very rare cases like the backho incident does it matter.
Im all for making rules to prevent such a mishap in the future. But please use some common sense .. jeez..
On May 14 2009 10:41 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, that's how I saw it, so I'm sticking to it.
It's harsh. But it's straight forward - don't type except yada yada. It's not convoluted or sly or something that people can't work with.
What part of "mistake" are you not getting here?
Under this system, no one will intentionally type anything. In other words, the only people who feel the brunt of this stupid rule will be the ones that make an honest mistake under pressured conditions.
On May 14 2009 10:41 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, that's how I saw it, so I'm sticking to it.
It's harsh. But it's straight forward - don't type except yada yada. It's not convoluted or sly or something that people can't work with.
What part of "mistake" are you not getting here?
Under this system, no one will intentionally type anything. In other words, the only people who feel the brunt of this stupid rule will be the ones that make an honest mistake under pressured conditions.
The part where mistake should just be thrown out. 1 mistake per game, 2 for forfeit? Then what's the rule for? How do you call a mistake from intention?
Make the mistakes persistent. 1 mistake is a warning, another one within the same season is a forfeit.
Typing G and then another G, look at it, if it's correct push enter. If you win you can not even reply like some players do. And ffs, include the korean symbol. If people were held to the same unbelievably low standards as these GG-challenged pros, my god, I'd never pilot.
On May 14 2009 10:41 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, that's how I saw it, so I'm sticking to it.
It's harsh. But it's straight forward - don't type except yada yada. It's not convoluted or sly or something that people can't work with.
What part of "mistake" are you not getting here?
Under this system, no one will intentionally type anything. In other words, the only people who feel the brunt of this stupid rule will be the ones that make an honest mistake under pressured conditions.
The part where mistake should just be thrown out. 1 mistake per game, 2 for forfeit? Then what's the rule for? How do you call a mistake from intention?
Make the mistakes persistent. 1 mistake is a warning, another one within the same season is a forfeit.
Typing G and then another G, look at it, if it's correct push enter. If you win you can not even reply like some players do. And ffs, include the korean symbol. If people were held to the same unbelievably low standards as these GG-challenged pros, my god, I'd never pilot.
What makes you think rules are sacred? They aren't. Especially dumb ones. Just because what GoRush did was "against the rules", that doesn't make what happened to him right or fair.
I don't understand why people think it's impossible to judge case-by-case on the spirit of the law. Did GoRush type a:
Because he wanted to make BackHo slip up and gg?
Because he wanted to distract BackHo?
No. It was because he was checking if he was on english or korean, hoping not to be disqualified again, and then he mistakenly hit the "enter" button.
What he did wasn't against the reasons that the rules exist: It was just against the poorly worded letter of the law.
On May 14 2009 10:57 neobowman wrote: The worst thing is, on a Korean/English keyboard, g and ㅎ are the exact same key so that's really stupid of Kespa to do this.
That's what I don't get. It's not like he went out of his way to break a rule (like a ww or zizi would have been). The rule accidentally got broken because of a setting on the computer.
This rule is not fair simply because it applies equally to two people. Sure there is the definition of fair = unbiased, but that is outside of the context of this conversation, what people are actually talking about is the ethical fairness of the rule. The rule is unfair because it asks players to perform an extraordinary task without a valid reason behind it.
Posted this in a now closed thread, but now might be a good time to bring it up again.
Dear KESPA,
I know rules are rules, but the rules currently in place are totally mixed up. Before making any new rules or changing old ones, you should consider whether they fit into one of these three categories:
1. Rules that make sure the game is fair These rules govern actions by players that can influence the outcomes of a game, such as using a bug. In this case, the penalty should be a forfeit, whether the breaking of the rule was intentional or not. This is similar to a handball in football/soccer, where even if a player accidentally touches the ball with his hand, it's still considered a foul because it influences the outcome of the game.
2. Rules that uphold the image of the sport These rules cover things like obscene ceremonies or lack of good manner that give the SC proscene a bad name. Most sporting bodies have these, and the penalty should be a warning, a fine or a temporary ban, depending on the severity of the act. However, the game should not be forfeited because no matter how bad mannered a player is, it's not going to influenece the outcome of the game (not directly, anyway). When John McEnroe flung his racquet around and all, he was fined a lot. However, his matches were not forfeited, because hurling abuse at the umpire does not influence the outcome of the match. Doing things like leaving the game without typing out should fall under this category.
3. Rules that communicate intent These rules cover communication between the player and the referee and/or the opposing player. The whole point of these rules is to communicate intent clearly. For example, what is the accepted signal for typing out, what is the accepted way of requesting a pause. All sports have a set of guidelines for this, however, there is no penalty for breaking them. The reason is simple: if you can't communicate your intent and it doesn't get through to the other party, you penalise yourself. If you want a timeout in basketball and you don't make a proper T sign, the game continues and that is an automatic penalty. All sports are flexible with this rule as well. If intent needs to be communicated verbally, and the guy talking speaks with an accent, it would obviously be silly to penalise him. If he's understandable, he gets what he's asking for.So if a player types ww instead of gg and everyone understands it, there's no point in penalising him. If a player doesn't type "ppp" when he wants a pause, and the ref doesn't understand, then he doesn't get a pause and he penalises himself. If he types something understandable like "I would like to request a pause please", then it can be left up to the ref to decide whether he wants to pretend not to understand or not. Miscommunication is a risk the player just has to take.
Right now, the rules are getting mixed up between the 3 categories.
For example, a player typing something offensive as he leaves the game falls under category 2, and should not be punished with a warning or a fine. A player typing "ww" or "gg yo" instead of gg clearly falls under category 3, and there's no need to penalise. But under the present rules, EVERYTHING other than gg is treated the same way, which doesn't make sense.
The same goes for other rules, obviously.
Please KESPA, get this sorted out. SC can't be a sport without proper rules, and the rules now are anything but proper.
Obviously, in this case, both "mistakes" come under category 3. Typing "a", especially, was not going to affect the outcome of the game, and he penalised himself by diverting his attention away from his play.
On May 14 2009 10:41 .risingdragoon wrote: Look, that's how I saw it, so I'm sticking to it.
It's harsh. But it's straight forward - don't type except yada yada. It's not convoluted or sly or something that people can't work with.
What part of "mistake" are you not getting here?
Under this system, no one will intentionally type anything. In other words, the only people who feel the brunt of this stupid rule will be the ones that make an honest mistake under pressured conditions.
The part where mistake should just be thrown out. 1 mistake per game, 2 for forfeit? Then what's the rule for? How do you call a mistake from intention?
Make the mistakes persistent. 1 mistake is a warning, another one within the same season is a forfeit.
Typing G and then another G, look at it, if it's correct push enter. If you win you can not even reply like some players do. And ffs, include the korean symbol. If people were held to the same unbelievably low standards as these GG-challenged pros, my god, I'd never pilot.
So Gorush types the exact Korean equivalent of a "gg" and gets a forfeit loss. That's really reasonable already right? Then in the next game he types "a" to make sure he can use his freaking hotkeys but damn he presses enter by accident and oh my he gets a forfeit loss for typing the letter "a" because... why?
Rules aren't supposed to be sacred. Rules are there to make sure the game is played fairly and professionally. Rules are not laws and they should be interpreted on a case by case basis depending on the situation. Fairness is completely irrelevant when the rule in question is lazy and moronic.
Every situation is not the same. What you are suggesting is a lazy way to enforce a stupid rule. What you are suggesting is that pros should have 150% typing accuracy when they are blitzing around the keyboard at 250+ apm. Do you know how fast your fingers move when you do something like that?!
Yea it's pretty much insane. This rule needs to be revised.
Wow Kespa is full of shit I hope they get rid of these bullshit rules at least give the progamers a warning before just disqualifying them over a bloody mistake.
On May 14 2009 10:15 .risingdragoon wrote: Heh I'm just repeating the report. He typed a to test it. Instead of deleting it, it came out. He got disqualified. The rule says if unsanctioned text comes out, you're disqualified.
Is it harsh? Yeah. But is it fair to both players? Yeah. This whole thing, just like backho/firefist, is all about opinions.
And the opinions are always on the side of the players. I'm no lover of Kespa, but I'm still pointing out that it's not fair to them.
the rule says its up to the referee to make a decision
everyone is pissed off because the rule was stupid when it happened to Leta, but then it was changed to be less stupid, but the same thing happened in an equally stupid situation last night even though the rules have been changed
i mean this is just clarification for the thread, risingdragoon can't respond because i banned himfor calling someone a 'remedial kid' and basically saying stupid more than i've said stupid in this here post, but to a bunch of people. mind your manners man, come on
Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if he had just left the game without gg?
Or, to take it one step further, started to destroy his own buildings?
I would assume that a warning from kespa would ensue, but I'm curious to know (as there is probably a rule) about what would happen if he had just left the game without saying gg.
Kespa made the rules a bit harsh. They need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that they are hosting e-sports tournaments. I mean, come on. Is that rule really necessary? I, for one, would like to see if players can spam continuously while both microing and macroing - that would be a true display of skill.
Kespa needs to stop taking themselves so seriously.
they should just disable the enter keys on player's keyboards. no chat by players. defeated guy just leaves when he thinks its over.
maybe it could also be a conditional rule, depending on the players themselves. if they both agree to have chat on, then they can type whatever they want. gg, or iminurbaseeatingurdrons or norush15min or gay or urmom - even if one player gets tricked somehow by this the players agreed to chat so its ok and referees just ignore it. if any of the players states he does not want to chat before the game, then both enter keys are disabled. to admit defeat you just quit. you can congratulate your opponent after the game anyway, not typing gg is in no way "bad manners" like some think.
Goddamnit. Just realized I double liquibetted Gorush. He would have smashed Backho AND tester... SHIT! But seriously, these disqualifications are getting fucking ridiculous. KESPA needs to stop trying to get themselves into the games. They aren't playing so they should butt the fuck out and stop making people mad.
On May 14 2009 23:04 ghostWriter wrote: Goddamnit. Just realized I double liquibetted Gorush. He would have smashed Backho AND tester... SHIT! But seriously, these disqualifications are getting fucking ridiculous. KESPA needs to stop trying to get themselves into the games. They aren't playing so they should butt the fuck out and stop making people mad.
I'm curious as to what's going on internally with KeSPA. Hasn't the organization been around for years now? It seems like these problems arose only very recently, within like the past two years.
And like many other in this thread, I don't see how changing the rule to "only gg or GG can be typed" addresses the issue of typing out early.
I mean, by the new rule, Backho can still prematurely type GG, but if he types zizi yO after losing he gets a forfeit loss?
It really, really doesn't address anything. And I'm not sure what the point of the new rule is.
Btw do you have to type "gg" before you leave the game according to the new rules? I would get rid of boths enterkeys untill these stupid rules get changed.
On May 15 2009 00:22 koreasilver wrote: Then how would you request for a pause?
Bang the booth as loudly as you can.
Personally I think a fair rule would be requesting a pause should be "any number of p." Why exactly 3? Is 3 such a magic and mystical number that any number of ps that isn't 3 isn't valid?
That's just sad. Kespa should seek professional help. And I'm serious here. Like a professional tournement rules reviewer or something like that. I'm sure there must be someone who does that for a living.
i hope at least some people at kespa realize who ridiculous this is..
they should think about US - those who tune in and those who are the reason why kespa even does exist!!
we WANNA SEE GOOD GAMES - not getting players kicked out of leagues because of being guilty of typing (!) one character (!) accidently whilst having 400 APM and more
On May 14 2009 17:31 RubiksCube wrote: I love how people don't even know the rules and argue anti- or pro- kespa-rules.
Plus calling people stupid and than saying you can get banned for any chat but "gg" or "pp/ppp" is embarassing, because that just ain't the case.
What are you talking about specifically? You can get a DQ loss for any chat but "gg" or a request to pause. It is embarrassing, but it is also the case.
On May 14 2009 12:40 The Storyteller wrote: Posted this in a now closed thread, but now might be a good time to bring it up again.
Dear KESPA,
I know rules are rules, but the rules currently in place are totally mixed up. Before making any new rules or changing old ones, you should consider whether they fit into one of these three categories:
1. Rules that make sure the game is fair These rules govern actions by players that can influence the outcomes of a game, such as using a bug. In this case, the penalty should be a forfeit, whether the breaking of the rule was intentional or not. This is similar to a handball in football/soccer, where even if a player accidentally touches the ball with his hand, it's still considered a foul because it influences the outcome of the game.
2. Rules that uphold the image of the sport These rules cover things like obscene ceremonies or lack of good manner that give the SC proscene a bad name. Most sporting bodies have these, and the penalty should be a warning, a fine or a temporary ban, depending on the severity of the act. However, the game should not be forfeited because no matter how bad mannered a player is, it's not going to influenece the outcome of the game (not directly, anyway). When John McEnroe flung his racquet around and all, he was fined a lot. However, his matches were not forfeited, because hurling abuse at the umpire does not influence the outcome of the match. Doing things like leaving the game without typing out should fall under this category.
3. Rules that communicate intent These rules cover communication between the player and the referee and/or the opposing player. The whole point of these rules is to communicate intent clearly. For example, what is the accepted signal for typing out, what is the accepted way of requesting a pause. All sports have a set of guidelines for this, however, there is no penalty for breaking them. The reason is simple: if you can't communicate your intent and it doesn't get through to the other party, you penalise yourself. If you want a timeout in basketball and you don't make a proper T sign, the game continues and that is an automatic penalty. All sports are flexible with this rule as well. If intent needs to be communicated verbally, and the guy talking speaks with an accent, it would obviously be silly to penalise him. If he's understandable, he gets what he's asking for.So if a player types ww instead of gg and everyone understands it, there's no point in penalising him. If a player doesn't type "ppp" when he wants a pause, and the ref doesn't understand, then he doesn't get a pause and he penalises himself. If he types something understandable like "I would like to request a pause please", then it can be left up to the ref to decide whether he wants to pretend not to understand or not. Miscommunication is a risk the player just has to take.
Right now, the rules are getting mixed up between the 3 categories.
For example, a player typing something offensive as he leaves the game falls under category 2, and should not be punished with a warning or a fine. A player typing "ww" or "gg yo" instead of gg clearly falls under category 3, and there's no need to penalise. But under the present rules, EVERYTHING other than gg is treated the same way, which doesn't make sense.
The same goes for other rules, obviously.
Please KESPA, get this sorted out. SC can't be a sport without proper rules, and the rules now are anything but proper.
Obviously, in this case, both "mistakes" come under category 3. Typing "a", especially, was not going to affect the outcome of the game, and he penalised himself by diverting his attention away from his play.
This is a quality post right here, it really covers the whole issue.
On May 14 2009 23:47 Kyo Yuy wrote: I'm curious as to what's going on internally with KeSPA. Hasn't the organization been around for years now? It seems like these problems arose only very recently, within like the past two years.
And like many other in this thread, I don't see how changing the rule to "only gg or GG can be typed" addresses the issue of typing out early.
I mean, by the new rule, Backho can still prematurely type GG, but if he types zizi yO after losing he gets a forfeit loss?
It really, really doesn't address anything. And I'm not sure what the point of the new rule is.
If you type GG you lose the game. Even if you are 5 base to his 1 base, if you type gg or GG you admit defeat.
The reason kespa limited it to gg or GG is because there can be any number of variations of gg and they needed a rule to enforce the "typing out = forfeit" rule. Rules need to be specific. The no chatting rule was in place before the backho incident.
Obviously, they thought everything was very clearcut and there can be no controversy if everyone follows the rules, which is true.
What they didnt account for is that players can make honest mistakes and losing a game due to something so small is a bit ridiculous. Kespa will have to enforce the rules which are in place. They cannot "use common sense" or go on a case by case decision because that would do more harm then good. What they need to do is revise the rules to be more reasonable in its conditions and penalties.
Why don't they just take a playing leaving the game= forfeit? Sometimes, in a close game, if an opponent GGs, I keep playing until they leave just in case.
On May 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why don't they just take a playing leaving the game= forfeit? Sometimes, in a close game, if an opponent GGs, I keep playing until they leave just in case.
thats exactly the solution i came up with too.
Give some warnings for typing stuff other than ppp Player who leaves loses.
On May 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why don't they just take a playing leaving the game= forfeit? Sometimes, in a close game, if an opponent GGs, I keep playing until they leave just in case.
Yeah, that would make sense. Gameguard is wrong because the reason referees exist is to make decisions, so you don't have to make ironclad rules codifying every single possible happenstance that anyone could possible conceive.
They should make rules that disallow "disruptive behavior," or "unsportsmanlike conduct," or whatever other such similar things they deem necessary.
There was no problem before, (the one BackHo incident is not even directly related to this. The rules they made DID solve that problem, but only in the way that carpet bombing North Korea with nukes solves the problem of Kim Jong Il). I have not yet seen a game that was disrupted because of chatting, or typing ww or anything else of that nature.
BackhoHo's case was special, and he should be fined, or penalized by his team for being an idiot, or something like that. Luckily his opponent was sportsmanlike enough to give him the game anyway, since he was clearly losing, which just shows that these preposterous rules don't protect anyone from anything.
Edit: I'm saying they need to use case-by-case arbitration based on general rules and past precedent to make decisions, to make it clear why I am in opposition to the hard fast rules.
On May 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why don't they just take a playing leaving the game= forfeit? Sometimes, in a close game, if an opponent GGs, I keep playing until they leave just in case.
Yeah, that would make sense. Gameguard is wrong because the reason referees exist is to make decisions, so you don't have to make ironclad rules codifying every single possible happenstance that anyone could possible conceive.
They should make rules that disallow "disruptive behavior," or "unsportsmanlike conduct," or whatever other such similar things they deem necessary.
There was no problem before, (the one BackHo incident is not even directly related to this. The rules they made DID solve that problem, but only in the way that carpet bombing North Korea with nukes solves the problem of Kim Jong Il). I have not yet seen a game that was disrupted because of chatting, or typing ww or anything else of that nature.
BackhoHo's case was special, and he should be fined, or penalized by his team for being an idiot, or something like that. Luckily his opponent was sportsmanlike enough to give him the game anyway, since he was clearly losing, which just shows that these preposterous rules don't protect anyone from anything.
Edit: I'm saying they need to use case-by-case arbitration based on general rules and past precedent to make decisions, to make it clear why I am in opposition to the hard fast rules.
im not disagreeing with anything here. What im saying is that since the rules are stated in such a way, it doesn't leave much room for interpritation by the refs. The refs need to uphold the rules set in place. The problem is in the rules set by kespa, not the ref's poor decision making.
On May 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: Why don't they just take a playing leaving the game= forfeit? Sometimes, in a close game, if an opponent GGs, I keep playing until they leave just in case.
Yeah, that would make sense. Gameguard is wrong because the reason referees exist is to make decisions, so you don't have to make ironclad rules codifying every single possible happenstance that anyone could possible conceive.
They should make rules that disallow "disruptive behavior," or "unsportsmanlike conduct," or whatever other such similar things they deem necessary.
There was no problem before, (the one BackHo incident is not even directly related to this. The rules they made DID solve that problem, but only in the way that carpet bombing North Korea with nukes solves the problem of Kim Jong Il). I have not yet seen a game that was disrupted because of chatting, or typing ww or anything else of that nature.
BackhoHo's case was special, and he should be fined, or penalized by his team for being an idiot, or something like that. Luckily his opponent was sportsmanlike enough to give him the game anyway, since he was clearly losing, which just shows that these preposterous rules don't protect anyone from anything.
Edit: I'm saying they need to use case-by-case arbitration based on general rules and past precedent to make decisions, to make it clear why I am in opposition to the hard fast rules.
im not disagreeing with anything here. What im saying is that since the rules are stated in such a way, it doesn't leave much room for interpritation by the refs. The refs need to uphold the rules set in place. The problem is in the rules set by kespa, not the ref's poor decision making.
Ahh I see. I thought when you said
"Kespa will have to enforce the rules which are in place. They cannot "use common sense" or go on a case by case decision because that would do more harm then good. What they need to do is revise the rules to be more reasonable in its conditions and penalties."
You were siding with the rules themselves, not just having to enforce them when they exist. I suppose as a ref, if you are told the rules you HAVE to enforce them, as it's your job. But I think we agree there is a fundamental problem.
In any case, the interpretation of how things should be that I stated above is my view, and I think even if others don't agree with it completely, it seems it is the general line of reasoning.
It's too bad Kespa has no commercial stake in the foreign community, so we have no power except maybe a few members contacting them with polite requests. At least it seems the Korean community is utterly disgusted with the current happenings regarding the rules though. Maybe something will change.
Now if only GOM would realize $50.00, maybe they could prove their foreign-friendly, non-arbitrary rules system is superior...
But I want the "prestigious" leagues to be fun to watch to, not just "prestigious."
I personally believe $50.00 is a price along the inelastic portion of the demand curve, meaning if they made it $10.00 for example, which is 1/5th of the current price, more than 5 times as many people would subscribe, increasing total revenue for GOM (and I assume the marginal cost of allowing more subscribers is fairly low, so they could handle the traffic).
On May 15 2009 11:22 Malongo wrote: DQ was stupid, however i found almost impossible to type "a" by accident. Even if Gorush was spamming/warming you dont type enter+a at the start.
He got a forfeit loss in the previous game by typing "gg" while his keyboard was in Korean mode, so he produced ㅎㅎ. He typed "a" to see if his keyboard was still in Korean mode, but probably hit enter before backspace as he probably did the key sequence very quickly (my understanding of the events).
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
Obviously sounds that it wasn't KESPA event. More like GOM tournament.
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
Obviously sounds that it wasn't KESPA event. More like GOM tournament.
If it were KeSPA, then Flash would have been d/qed out so fast, and had his keyboard + mouse pounded with a rock, KeSPA being the cavemen that they are...
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
anything gomtv runs isn't even recognized let alone regulated by kespa
On May 13 2009 19:42 Smix wrote: If an incident like this happens further down the road Ro8, Ro4.................
Or even the finals.
dude if friggin gespa DQ some1 during the finals for something this ridiculously retarded, i bet u anything ppl will friggin start running towards the refs w/ bats
we got more DQs and more angry fans in the past few months than the entire history of esports before then combined, good job killing esports with these retarded rules kespa
On May 13 2009 22:35 myrmidon2537 wrote: Edit: Just read the previous post.. I don't have time to check it for myself, but if its true.. wow @ ref *rage*
Let me quote the newly changed rules concerning pausing:
In the situations described below, the players can type 'p' multiple times as well as any other keys to request for a pause. (But when there is a problem with a keyboard the game can be paused immediately). Under the referee's command "Pause", the game can be paused. What happens to the game is depending on the referee's judgment.
8.11 Misc - When a situation which affects gameplay based on the player's judgment occurs.
Basically the "situation which affects gameplay" is the situation that his keyboard may have been set to Korean, his "any other key" was the "a" and the judgment of the ref could've been to continue the game after the keyboard setup was checked to be English.
I just had a weird dream:
Stork was playing a game against I-don't-know-who. The other player tried to rush him, but Stork blocked the rush with fast DTs, and countered to the other player's base. With three dark templar in his opponents base, Stork requested a pause by typing ggg. The ref paused the game and went over to Stork to ask what he wanted. Stork made some lame excuse about his 'p' key not working, but when they tested it, it worked perfectly. The ref made some dismissive comment, and they went back to the game (which Stork was obviously about to win).
I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, maybe this sort of thing is why Kespa had such draconian rules about pausing."
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
Obviously sounds that it wasn't KESPA event. More like GOM tournament.
If it were KeSPA, then Flash would have been d/qed out so fast, and had his keyboard + mouse pounded with a rock, KeSPA being the cavemen that they are...
Wasn't it Stork who paused the game because his monitor went out, and he ended up losing a shuttle with 2 reavers?
On May 13 2009 19:39 DragoonPK wrote: Ok this happened now in the round of 16. Lets imagine it happening ON THE FINALS OF A STARLEAGUE where the game determines who wins or loses. Then something like this happens and one guy wins over the other just because of some crap about typing A Single letter in game?! This is outrageous. Boycott kespa everyone they suck big time!
It happened in a final with Flash where Flash pause the game himself. It's a lot more serious than that Gorush did, but it was a final so Kespa can't do shit.
Do you have a link to this game or can you tell meh which final it was? Would like to see that.
I think it was Flash vs Stork, GSI. I'm pretty sure that Tasteless was commentating it
Obviously sounds that it wasn't KESPA event. More like GOM tournament.
If it were KeSPA, then Flash would have been d/qed out so fast, and had his keyboard + mouse pounded with a rock, KeSPA being the cavemen that they are...
Wasn't it Stork who paused the game because his monitor went out, and he ended up losing a shuttle with 2 reavers?
EPT
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