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RobRoy2501
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States177 Posts
April 14 2009 01:20 GMT
#21
1. If you are the kind of person that just gets really angry(such as myself) get a stressball or something somewhat soft that you can fling across the room without damaging anything.

2. Watch the replay. Don't go to a certain point to find why you lost the game. Watch the whole replay, look over everything you did.

3. Play your next game against D- :D

4. Find something on youtube or some video that is soothing to you. Watch/listen to it while you go over the game in your head.

5. Wait 10 minutes.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled. -Plutarch
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
April 14 2009 01:26 GMT
#22
On April 14 2009 10:11 jeddus wrote:
I don't think too many people are getting that this is not a "stats" issue, it is a sports psychology issue with handling defeat.


you hit it on the head. nobody likes losing, starcraft is no different. sometimes you just have to accept that people will outplay you. look at the progamers for example, even boxer is a lifetime 60%.
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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
April 14 2009 01:27 GMT
#23
Use carriers every game.
the throws never bothered me anyway
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 01:30:39
April 14 2009 01:30 GMT
#24
On April 14 2009 09:43 StRyKeR wrote:
Recently, I lost two games in a row to someone on Destination, ZvT. He did the typical 8-rax 1fac 1star total gayness strat that terrans love to do. Initially, I thought, 'Wtf terrans have it so ez', but then I had to say, he pulled it off pretty well. After all, he beat me. He was pretty clever about it I have to admit. But as I recalled the game, I remembered that he had poor macro and there were a few other weaknesses I could exploit. I played him three more times, and I won all three. Kind of like Jaedong vs. Fantasy 2-3 comeback. Once I learned how to deal with his mech builds I stopped losing. If I hadn't cooled down after those two losses and looked for ways to deal with it, I wouldn't have been able to win.
love the way you sort of snuck in a comparison between you and jaedong there.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 01:37:56
April 14 2009 01:35 GMT
#25
good people win about 60% of the time...
so crap people take the other 40%
make sense right?

plus i've noticed that starcraft has the highest level of play online because it is an RTS
FPS online such as counterstrike and Halo 3 have less skilled players online. you just spray and pray and you'll get better once you learn all the controls...

Edit: no offense to pro FPS players, i really don't think it boils to down skill as much as RTS, a lotta luck is involved
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 14 2009 01:36 GMT
#26
just dont get angry when you lose
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
April 14 2009 01:46 GMT
#27
Break things until you lose the anger?
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 14 2009 01:47 GMT
#28
Don't let it turn into a flow... just whenever you lose, take a deep breath. If you get angry, you'll just keep losing and getting more angry. It's a vicious cycle.

Try listening to some Queen music, like "Don't Stop Me Now". Then you'll probably feel better. :D
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
April 14 2009 01:52 GMT
#29
i actually saw some unfortunate progamer bring a stress ball into the booth when he had to go against jaedong during his invincible streak. it was probably just for warming up his keyboard hand, but i found it hilarious.
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Tyrant
Profile Joined September 2003
Korea (South)234 Posts
April 14 2009 01:59 GMT
#30
You wont make it very far in gaming if you get upset over losses. That's like a UFC fighter getting angry every time he has to train. Losing is great training for what not to do.
MESSIAS1992
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany4 Posts
April 14 2009 01:59 GMT
#31
Ich schreib einfach mal überall rein ^^ wenn hier einer is,der mir ein bisschen was zu dem ganzen erklären kann,dann addet mich biiiitöö 473656104
möchte auch gerne in einem Clan spielen,weis aber nicht wie man da jemand kontaktieren kann
lg =)
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7218 Posts
April 14 2009 02:02 GMT
#32
realize that the best players who have ever played the game only win roughly 60-70% of the time against opponents that are in their skill bracket. Its the nature of starcraft, whether you win or lose it doesnt reflect upon you as a person. If you are getting angry, its probably not over starcraft since its just a game, im sure its a combination of bw and something else.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
April 14 2009 02:04 GMT
#33
On April 14 2009 10:59 MESSIAS1992 wrote:
Ich schreib einfach mal überall rein ^^ wenn hier einer is,der mir ein bisschen was zu dem ganzen erklären kann,dann addet mich biiiitöö 473656104
möchte auch gerne in einem Clan spielen,weis aber nicht wie man da jemand kontaktieren kann
lg =)


Or you can speak English so most of us can understand -.-


But yeah, I usually only get annoyed with several losses in a row when points matter when I played not up to my standard. If the games aren't worth anything I only get annoyed when I don't play up to my standard. Lol I have had many days (mmannyyy days) where I have not won a single game. The more games you play the more you lose pretty well (not win/loss %, just basically that you will never always win if you continue to play people your level/slightly better than you). You'll get over it.
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 02:12:07
April 14 2009 02:09 GMT
#34
Didn't read the whole thread sorry was answering to Saw post :
On April 14 2009 11:08 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2009 17:03 xhuwin wrote:
ouch. I stop playing if I lose more than a few in a row. Respect your persistence though. That's the way to improve!

Not really.
All player dependant.
You can play your best and still losing and learn nothing from the replay and yet you can learn something against another player where you won.
You simply need to stop overeacting and get your balls on to watch the rep and see where you're doing wrong. If not, no matter how much you lose or play you won't learn anything.
Already got like 2 days almost full of loses which give me rank from c- to D (almost d-) cauz i was playing blindly.
How to overcome it ? Take a break, read some forum, take a bath, get back on sc and watch rep and see where you can improve. If not, play another game ONLY if you feel like it. There's no need to play when you're playing like a machine.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
April 14 2009 02:14 GMT
#35
You remember it's just a game you're playing for fun and get over it.

Unless you're some sort of psycho with an inferiority complex.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
April 14 2009 02:15 GMT
#36
On April 14 2009 10:05 arb wrote:
calm the fuck down


On April 12 2009 03:06 arb wrote:
who is this?

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/galatea.html
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=10469

yeah i got mad at the end ><


Exactly, "calm the fuck down." Why exactly are you posting in this thread?

To the OP - I don't think all that many people can play large numbers of games back to back even if they don't get angry. SC is a very difficult game to play when you're pushing your limits and even a single match can be taxing. When you get frustrated, just take a break and do something that relaxes you, as many others have suggested (I endorse the Queen idea).

Eventually what you'll probably find happening is that as soon as you're relaxed you start thinking about the game again, and analyzing what went wrong, and so you have to get back in another game and try to fix it the next time.

Sirakor
Profile Joined April 2003
Great Britain455 Posts
April 14 2009 02:17 GMT
#37
On April 14 2009 09:32 StRyKeR wrote:
It's something that affects all players, though in different degrees.

The feeling after losing is hard to describe, and the exact nature is probably different for every player. For me, the bad feeling is the belief that I "could have" won the game, that the opponent won because "he got lucky" or had a "dumb strategy" that a D+ noob could have pulled off but won because "I wasn't looking for two seconds".

I don't think I've gotten over it yet completely, but I've been more at ease as of late.

#1
One thing that helps is to pinpoint exactly why you lost. If this is a difficult step, then you're still not accepting the loss. The most recent game I lost, I was upset because I was ahead most game, but I saw the replay and objectively saw that there were a number of improvements I can definitely make. Try to be objective and point out one thing you can improve for next time instead of brooding over whether you deserved the win. It will make your mind at ease and also improve your game.

#2
Scout better. Most excuses that "he got lucky" can be solved by scouting better. Instead of crying about getting 3hat ling rushed, send out an extra probe. Keep your first probe alive longer. Send out two extra probes. Make up for your weaknesses instead of crying about opponents that take advantage of them.

Finally, ask yourself, if you're really "better than that", why did you lose? Was it luck? In rare circumstances, it is due to luck, such as a 5 pool against your 14cc. However, even in those cases, there is a solution -- don't 14cc. You lost for a legitimate reason, and it means you have areas to improve.

Accept your weaknesses and find solutions to them. Savior has short fingers so he only uses hotkeys 1, 2, 3, and maybe 4. Did that stop him? I don't think he cried imba about his short fingers. He has low APM but I imagine he has some of the best mouse-rectangle-draw-click micro in the world to manage his army.


Exactly this. See it as an opportunity. Every loss should have taught you something. Every loss should've made you a little better - if only in understanding of the game while you train your mechanics.

It's about the right mindset. If you win, you learn nothing. It doesn't mean you're good, it doesn't mean your strategy/execution/etc rocks, it just means that your opponent sucked even harder. At D level anyways.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
April 14 2009 02:20 GMT
#38
On April 14 2009 10:30 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2009 09:43 StRyKeR wrote:
Recently, I lost two games in a row to someone on Destination, ZvT. He did the typical 8-rax 1fac 1star total gayness strat that terrans love to do. Initially, I thought, 'Wtf terrans have it so ez', but then I had to say, he pulled it off pretty well. After all, he beat me. He was pretty clever about it I have to admit. But as I recalled the game, I remembered that he had poor macro and there were a few other weaknesses I could exploit. I played him three more times, and I won all three. Kind of like Jaedong vs. Fantasy 2-3 comeback. Once I learned how to deal with his mech builds I stopped losing. If I hadn't cooled down after those two losses and looked for ways to deal with it, I wouldn't have been able to win.
love the way you sort of snuck in a comparison between you and jaedong there.


If you want me to header it with "warning: brag post" I can do that. In any case, I do think there are points he could take away from the post.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
April 14 2009 02:39 GMT
#39
On April 14 2009 09:21 Lexpar wrote:
Hey, I had a question for you guys. I've been playing iccup recently, and have been keeping a solid D but not advancing over it. Basicly I'm pretty noob at the game. I play every day and have a real desire to get better, but something that constantly plagues me is how I feel after losing. At most I can play three games in a row, and if 2 are loses I get too angry to play anymore, and I'm sure I could be doing much better if I could overcome this. I was wondering if any of you had any tips or tricks for overcoming the dissapointment/anger after a loss. Thanks!



lol i got same problem, if i lose to anyone, i get super pissed and just want to kill everyone o0, best thing to do is just take a break, talk to someone else about something else, just remove yourself from the game

also think of that ladder like this, your paying your pts to learn from someone better when u lose, when you win, its the opposite
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
April 14 2009 02:40 GMT
#40
just get over it keep playing
it's just a game, have fun
ggyo...
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