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Proleague:
With the return of the regular proleague format and all new maps the excitement returns after a one month break. With a new interface, new maps, almost 1000 teams fantasy proleague should be as exciting as ever. What is it going to take to win now, with last round coming down to the wire its going to take every effort to come out on top. The improved trading system along with anti team adds even more layers on top of the already exciting format. Whether its your first time or you've been in this since the beginning this should be lots of fun.
Fantasy Blog:
[2006-05-20 W6D5] WJN 3-1 ACE | HIT 3-1 MBC:
With just one more shortened week left (one game for each team) doubleupgradeobbies is looking good with a 2 point lead over the SKT team and a 10 pt lead over Pizzown. Trading is open for the final week but take note: with teams only playing one match and the trade tax it may not be worth it to make trades this week. For those of you looking onward to next round there shouldn't be any major changes so you may want to start planning (a player's trade value should be close to their cost for next round now).
[2009-05-16 W6D1] WEM 3-2 SKT | EST 3-1 CJE:+ Show Spoiler [post] +We start of week 6 with two upsets with SKT and CJ both losing their matches. HotBid's SKT team manages to take first place despite them losing while the real fight for first place is a tie right now at 145 points between doubleupgradeobbies and Pizzown (and who are now 12 points ahead of 4th place). Heading into the final week (and a half) we have Pizzown just barely holding onto his lead against the SKT team (who is just absolutely dominating this pl -- seriously, who expected SKT zergs to go 7-1 so far?!). SKT is now a ridiculous 23-6 in their games played this round with Bisu, Fantasy, and Thezerg all in the top 10 (and Best at 18) for players so far. With teams only having 2 or 3 games left trading is going to be difficult between teams with a different number of matches left and could complicate things in the final stretches (KTF can't be traded away anymore T_T). Hwaseung continues their winning streak with another 3-0 while ACE wins yet another match raising their record to 4-4. Pizzown stays in first place with a 6 point lead now. Jaedong finally gets some wins this week with 2 ZvZs but is still under 8 trade value. The top 4 main team trades are all trades for Hwaseung now, their horrible performance to start the round led to a really low trade value and the option to trade almost anyone for them. Fluffy Pingu is somehow in second place with -18 from trading (no one else in the top 100 has below -10 trading). pachi: Hot_Bid and Abydos1 continue to nurse their underperforming teams while eSTRO crushes anti-teams everywhere with a solid 3-0 result with their main stars. As usual, SKTT1 based teams stay on top of the pack with Pizzown owning the competition like they were pizzas (or pizz). Leta wins twice to apologize for his recent slump while HoGil makes Yellow[ArnC] owners regret picking the wrong Hite Zerg. As Week Five reaches its midpoint, the competition is winding down as approximately two more weeks are left in the competition.
[2009-05-09 W5D1] MBC 3-2 SAM | HWA 3-0 ACE
[2009-05-06 W4D5] ACE 3-1 WEM | EST 3-2 MBC
[2009-05-05 W4D4] CJE 3-0 WJN | HIT 3-2 SKT
[2009-05-04 W4D3] SAM 3-2 STX | HWA 3-0 KTF
[2009-05-03 W4D2] ACE 3-1 EST | WEM 3-1 MBC
[2009-05-02 W4D1] SKT 3-0 WJN | HIT 3-2 CJE:+ Show Spoiler [post] +SKT continues to dominate, only having dropped one game (lost by Bisu nonetheless); Bisu, Thezerg, and Fantasy are all in the top 5 as evidenced by the SKT fantasy team sitting in second place right now. Pizzown Led by Yarnc and the SKT lineup netting 25 points on the day. In the other matchup CJ surprisingly loses 2-3 with Movie failing to spot a probe waltzing right up his ramp to place cannons behind his mineral line (Medusa) and Skyhigh neglecting to get muta defense in a very low econ rush ace match. Yarnc pulls out two wins on the night to lead Hite to victory. Brood stays in first with a growing lead as Hwaseung loses their 4th 3-0 game (ACE has scored just as many points as them and played 2 less games). Jaedong owners (all 520 of them) have to be cursing him as he continues to drop games. Thezerg has scored more points than Jaedong! With week 3 in the books and this round almost half way through Ph33r, sitting in 10th place, has an impressive +29 points from trading and has been sitting close to first for a while now.
[2009-04-27 W3D3] SKT 3-0 ACE | MBC 3-1 CJE
[2009-04-26 W3D2] HWA 3-0 WEM | SAM 3-1 EST+ Show Spoiler [post] +pachi: No one wrote a post. Abydos and Hot_Bid are probably too busy at 150+. Usual stuff, Samurai- has the top spot, keeping the Former Top 10 group alive while Kennigit refuses to budge at second place. Jaedong finally won, so did Oz, Samsung and Firebathero. Most interesting result today was probably Really > Jangbi because Really is a very popular anti-team member (180 teams), who gained his first 3 points of the competition. In what will hopefully be the end of this long string of 3-0's we see both matches going to an ace match today with Leta > Forgg and Zero > Calm. Zero gets 10 points on the night going 2-0 with an ace win. Hasuprotoss leads the pack at 64 points with the top 10 all within a couple points. Brood looked poised to take a commanding lead going into today's matches however with so much leaning on the Stork v Best match the horrible attack by Stork resulted in Brood dropping to 21st place. Tonight was the night of upsets with Jaedong, Bisu, and Jangbi all losing their games to inferior opponents. The 521 people that picked Jaedong can not be happy with his performance so far and he'll have to perform flawlessly to make up for his early losses. CynanMachae reclaims first place for the end of week 2. With the first full week ending after the first trading period we have ph33r with an impressive +16 points from trades making 3 trades that all payed off big. Last night was absolutely brutal for the majority of owners, especially those that heavily based their teams on KTF and the large number that traded for Hwasin. ACE and HERO pulled off large upsets and prevented KTF and STX from even taking it to an Ace Match. Light, Sea, Reach, and ACE are also very popular anti-team choices. Currently, BroOd is first despite having KTF as his team, and he has Jaedong, Stork, and thezerg in action tomorrow. Woongjin ended WeMade's 2 game winning streak while eSTRO lost despite being up 2-0 on Hite. Leta is now the #1 fantasy player with a 4-0 (1-0 Ace) record, and the only player who has earned a streak point. At the beginning of the season many owners (521 to be exact) felt Jaedong was a better value at 10 than Leta was at 9, but those 34 brave owners who chose him are reaping the benefits now. darod2007 sits in first due to his extremely effective anti-team. hasuprotoss is three points behind in second, and pachi and BroOd are third and fourth. BroOd is also #1 in trade gain (+7 so far), ditching Pure (0-1) and HoGiL (not in lineup) for thezerg (1-0, TW) and Violet (1-0, TW), both of whom are set to play again this week. Three of the Top 4 teams have Leta and not Jaedong. The next most effective player is fOrGG, who is owned by the vast majority of the Top 10. Yet another two 3-0 results as fantasy owners have to be cursing BackHo and Jaedong for losing their games. CJ and SKT are now both 2-0 worth 16 points with the boost in scoring this round. Sitting at #1 today is brjdrb with 52 points while BroOd is just one point behind gaining 5 pts from trades this week (and surely would have been first with a win by Jaedong). So far we've had a different leader at the end of each day and it looks to continue that way for a while, trades are already proving useful with several teams already up 5 points (though several are down 6 points as well). Modesty and Hwasin scared everyone by going down 0-2 to ACE, needing an epic Reach fail to claw their way back. July sealed the deal in a lopsided ace match against Anytime, and STX owners breathed a sigh of relief. The other match saw KTF easily dismantle MBC 3-0 without using Flash, much to the dismay of his owners. The TL Staff and Former Top 10 are doing quite well: HnR)Insane is in first, and there are six staff members in the Top 20. Round 2 winner intrigue sits just outside the Top 10 as well. Hot_Bid: KTF owners breathe a sigh of relief, while STX owners curse their misfortunes. How does one lose after scouting a hydra break PvZ? Ask Kal. After the dust settles, brjdrb sits at the top of the hill. Several TL Staff members populate the Top 20, and the Former Top 10 group is doing quite well. In the player rankings, Jaedong is first, but amazingly, Shine[KaL] is tied with him and Pure is second. These guys were a bargain for their cost, though only six total owners actually have Shine. Now that week one is done, the trading period is open for the next three days. FPL Trading: the excitement and anxiety of team selection, repeated every week. Good luck! Another day, another top 3, another pair of 3-0s -- that's been the story so far. With KHAN's top 3 of Jangbi, Stork, Firebathero all losing their games and Oz's Young, Lomo, and Hiya losing their games. So far teams have been the big points scorers with the newly renamed Hite Sparky'z netting you 10 points and only 1 ace match being played depriving those lucrative points from a lot of players. This can't go on much longer and we should see the more reliable ace match player's generating their expected points soon. With all the teams having played one match now we have a three way tie for first with Ideas, CynanMachae, and Shadet; Ideas having stayed there despite being -5 for the day. So far team picks have been quite large with 5 of the teams going 3-0 (8 points) and the 0-3 teams actually losing you two points. Standings are certainly not safe at all with teams gaining upwards of 24 points on a night, the extra points for teams adding to that. With two more days left this week people will start looking towards the first week of trading now. Lots of owners picked KTF as their team, content with a 4-point "steal" and an easy first week schedule. Then WeMade ruined those plans with a 3-0 victory without Mind even playing. In the other set, eSTRO gift wrapped STX the match when hyvaa, Sangho, and Really all made huge mistakes at critical moments. Ideas is in first place, while the former R2 champ intrigue lurks within striking distance at #23. Don't panic, KTF owners. The fantasy season is not lost because of one 0-3. If they lose to eSTRO in a few days though, you can go into full freak out mode. Well after some difficulties the correct standings are finally up; sitting in first place is Hot_Bid's Samsung KHAN team carried by their 3-0 win last night (thought this won't last for long); the top 10 are all over 20 pts most of whom have Jaedong who went 2-0 last night in Oz's win. Anti team has already hit some people hard, with LeperKahn losing the most at -10 points (all KHAN players). There's plenty of stats to browser through and all the tables are sortable by their headers too so be sure to check those out. After Intrigue's huge win in season 1 and Nikk's close first last season, who is going to rise to the challenge for this season? This season brings all new maps, improved trading, a new interface, anti teams, a return to the normal format--and with almost 1000 signups again it could be the toughest season yet to win. With just a couple hours left I'm sure several people are frantically tweaking their teams (I know I'm still debating my options) and you'll need every insight you can gain to have a chance in this huge field. For tonights games we have the newly renamed Hite Sparkyz v Hwaseung Oz and Woongjin Stars v Samsung Khan. Hurry up and finalize your teams because Round 4 is about to start!
<div style='font-size:20'>Scoring:</div>Player Scoring:
Non-Ace Lineup Appearance: 1 Point
Game Win (Ace included): 2 Points
Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Points
Ace Match Appearance: 2 Points
3-Game Win Streak: 1 Point
6-Game Win Streak: 2 Points
9-Game Win Streak: 3 Points
Break Another's Streak: 1 Point
Team Win: 1 Point
DQ/Forfeit: -4 Points
Team Scoring:
3-0 Victory: 8 Points
3-1 Victory: 6 Points
3-2 Victory: 4 Points
2-3 Defeat: 2 Point
1-3 Defeat: 0 Points
0-3 Defeat: -2 Points
<div style='font-size:20'>Price List:</div>Player prices:
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Team Prices
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Useful Links:
Standings
Team Selection Thread
TLPD - Shinhan PL 08-09 Player Stats
Round 3 Final Rankings and Daily Blog
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That is quite possibly the most awesome banner ever.
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yeah lolbanner gw silversky.
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man... I was gonna check out HotBids team to see who I shouldnt pick... but we can't see the teams until it starts :p
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Braavos36374 Posts
FUNNY
i was top 10 round 2... look how low i've fallen 
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You may now notice your team has been automatically added to a couple groups, groups you are a member of are shown on your team page and all groups are shown on the misc page. Anyone can create a group on the misc tab (although they have to be approved before they'll show up)
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OMG im considered a forum veteran T_T. The GUI is incredible Abydoss1 props to you this really has the "pro" touch 
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Where's the "grudges" thing?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 11 2009 11:05 Crunchums wrote:
Where's the "grudges" thing?
We didn't have enough time to implement this, so you'll have to live with grudges not being official 
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This is amazing! Great work on the interface guys. Fantasy PL was fun enough when it was just a list and some numbers, but this is on a whole new level.
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Group:
WeekBanChallenge
Requeriments
-1 year user at least
-over 500 posts
-20 people max
-signups close at tuesday 14 18:00 KST
All the prizes are handled at the end of the season (May 6) within 3 days.
1 place: 1 Week ban a user of your choice
2 place: 2 days ban a user of your choice
3-15: nothing
16-19 : earns a 2 day ban
20: yeah 1 week ban
Do you accept the challenge? Questions? Suggestions?
ps: i still need confirmation of a mod that will handle the bans
ps2: Abydos1 i can create the group.
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Forum Newbies.... I've been here since early 2003! -_-
PHP error when trying to join a group.
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/gijoy/live/public_html/fantasy/proleague/Actions.php on line 49
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when i try to join "first time participants" this comes
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/gijoy/live/public_html/fantasy/proleague/Actions.php on line 49
i know im not a first timer but this may help to correct the code.
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On April 11 2009 11:27 LTT wrote:
Forum Newbies.... I've been here since early 2003! -_-
Maybe you should post more 
PHP error when trying to join a group. Show nested quote +
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/gijoy/live/public_html/fantasy/proleague/Actions.php on line 49
oops, works now 
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On April 11 2009 11:27 Malongo wrote:Group: WeekBanChallenge Requeriments -1 year user at least -over 500 posts -20 people max -signups close at tuesday 14 18:00 KST All the prizes are handled at the end of the season (May 6) within 3 days. 1 place: Earns a 1 week ban 2 place: Earns a 1 week ban 3-15: Earns a 1 week ban 16-19 : Earns a 1 week ban 20: Earns a 1 week ban Do you accept the challenge? Questions? Suggestions? ps: i still need confirmation of a mod that will handle the bans ps2: Abydos1 i can create the group.
only if the prizes are changed to the above
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For groups right now we want to keep it to groups that will appeal to a large portion of the people and won't clog up the group listing; I'll be adding in support for small groups of friends and such for people who just want to compare their results within a small subset of the participants. I'll make a post when that's ready.
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On April 11 2009 11:16 Hot_Bid wrote:We didn't have enough time to implement this, so you'll have to live with grudges not being official
Ah, ok. Thanks
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On April 11 2009 10:37 Hot_Bid wrote:FUNNY i was top 10 round 2... look how low i've fallen
lol I just cursed myself with that comment... our (main) teams only differ by 1 player (FBH <-> Notice) and I gotta admit I was very close to going with Notice for a while.
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Signups closed, 952 teams total.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 11 2009 13:04 Cesar2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 10:37 Hot_Bid wrote:FUNNY i was top 10 round 2... look how low i've fallen lol I just cursed myself with that comment... our (main) teams only differ by 1 player (FBH <-> Notice) and I gotta admit I was very close to going with Notice for a while.
i am a CJ fan, but fantasy PL is brutal and harsh. sentimentality will only make you lose. so i picked iris for anti team. i picked xellos for anti team. i didn't pick effort. i didn't pick savior. i didn't pick skyhigh. i picked stork and made him captain. then i sat there, with firebathero selected. i just had to click "submit". and i threw my hands up and said that picking FBH is a line i cannot cross. i can never, ever, ever cheer for him.
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The new Fantasy section is awesome (with banner, groups and everything)
Much love to those who put in their hard work into this I've never really been into any fantasy league except for this. 
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I spent a long time picking teams and being as strategic as I could be when I picked my team last time. I revised it dozens of times. I ended up nowhere near the top. Meanwhile, my brother threw together a random assortment of players and asked me if they were in good shape, then submitted. And he won.
This time, I just picked players I like for my team and players I don't like for my anti-team. I think its working better already!
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I took a quick look at the stats/standings right now and some of them look kind of screwy. fbh has two points for some reason, for instance...
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United States13896 Posts
Non-Ace Lineup Appearance: 1 Point
Team Win: 1 Point
FBH's number is correct. Stork, on the other hand, should have 4 points, not two.
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It seems Samsung Khan has taken credit for Oz's win as well
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United States20661 Posts
Only Until Midnight.
Reach. YellOw.
KTF + their 3 best.
BeSt, Kal, Doctor.K
let's rock this FantasyPL.
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This thread doesn't need spoilerz right? In any case, to be safe,
+ Show Spoiler +Yay, JD won tons of points for me...and 800 other teams 
Jangbi in the banner looks like he's gonna punk you.
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Braavos36374 Posts
the results right now are kind of screwed up, please don't pay attention to them lol
will be fixed whenever abydos gets on
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Will FBH get a line-up point even if he didnt play? How did that work previous seasons.
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Why are you first in LB, HB? Mod abuse, lol.
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Braavos36374 Posts
FBH will get a lineup point even if he didn't play
im first because it sorts by postcount
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On April 11 2009 15:21 Musoeun wrote:
I took a quick look at the stats/standings right now and some of them look kind of screwy. fbh has two points for some reason, for instance...
1 point for appearance. 1 point for Khan win.
I really don't care for Jaedong, but he seemed to prove me correct that Jaedong + a team that goes 2-deep + zerg favored map pool = auto pick.
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I'm really thinking I should have gone for a zvz heavy team if all these Battle Royal games are going to be zvz. Luxury is looking like a steal at 5 points right about now.
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On April 11 2009 13:31 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 13:04 Cesar2000 wrote:On April 11 2009 10:37 Hot_Bid wrote:FUNNY i was top 10 round 2... look how low i've fallen lol I just cursed myself with that comment... our (main) teams only differ by 1 player (FBH <-> Notice) and I gotta admit I was very close to going with Notice for a while. i am a CJ fan, but fantasy PL is brutal and harsh. sentimentality will only make you lose. so i picked iris for anti team. i picked xellos for anti team. i didn't pick effort. i didn't pick savior. i didn't pick skyhigh. i picked stork and made him captain. then i sat there, with firebathero selected. i just had to click "submit". and i threw my hands up and said that picking FBH is a line i cannot cross. i can never, ever, ever cheer for him.
Im feeling not so special now.
+ Show Spoiler [Hot_Bid Team] +Calm BeSt
fOrGG Iris
Kal Xellos
Luxury
Notice
Stork *
KTF MagicNs
+ Show Spoiler [Malongo Team] +
Calm Iris
firebathero PianO
fOrGG iloveoov
Kal
Luxury
Stork *
KTF MagicNs
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Fuck You GGPlay
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Aaah, good day for Stork/JD/Samsung owners :D
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wow great job for this fantasy
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i want to see Plexa's rank!!!
With Jaedong in the failteam xD
I must "printscreen" that
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On April 11 2009 15:29 p4NDemik wrote:
Non-Ace Lineup Appearance: 1 Point
Team Win: 1 Point
FBH's number is correct. Stork, on the other hand, should have 4 points, not two.
Oh, I forgot he got a point just for showing up.
*runs through Jaedong's points quickly*
1 lineup
2 win
2 ace
2 win
1 team win
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8.
Hmm. Nice work, JD.
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Lol @ Plexa having Jd in his anti-team
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Jaedong: (+1)lineup appearance, (+2)win, (+2)ace, (+2)win, (+1)team win = 8
Stork: (+1)lineup appearance, (+2)win, (+1)team win = 4
Horang2: (+1)lineup appearance, (-1)loss = 0
Total: 12
I think I'm finally getting the hang of this Fantasy PL stuff
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How does jangbi has 3 points ? doesnt he only have team win -> 1 point :o
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The W-L stats are all off still. fbh's are actually wrong now (3 points). Of course, I should have three points, but it should be yarnc (1) + fbh (2), not fbh (3)... oh well.
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Sorry for the confusion, we're experiencing some issues right now; they should hopefully be fixed soon.
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Neat, hope the stats get fixed soon, I want to see how many other people also chose Jaedong, Stork and Samsung KHAN. (Probably a lot.)
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Just reporting,  Juni and great have 3 points and  HiyA has 1, should be 4 - appearance, win, team win, same for all of them.
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Why did I lose a point for having perfectman in my anti team? Sorry if I'm retarded and just don't understand
EDIT: Is it because Lecaf won? And he got a team win?
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I dont understand my score...
I only end up with 2 point even if I got Jeadong, HyiA, Hogil
aqnyone can explain ???
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On April 11 2009 20:11 Vasoline73 wrote:
Why did I lose a point for having perfectman in my anti team? Sorry if I'm retarded and just don't understand
EDIT: Is it because Lecaf won? And he got a team win?
im sure thats why you have a (-1).
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 11 2009 17:56 Hyperionnn wrote:
Lol @ Plexa having Jd in his anti-team hahaha i changed my mind
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On April 11 2009 20:23 FaCE_1 wrote:
I dont understand my score...
I only end up with 2 point even if I got Jeadong, HyiA, Hogil
aqnyone can explain ???
dude, read a couple posts above you.
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On April 11 2009 20:11 Vasoline73 wrote:
Why did I lose a point for having perfectman in my anti team? Sorry if I'm retarded and just don't understand
EDIT: Is it because Lecaf won? And he got a team win?
antiteam is calculated the same way as main team only x(-1)
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On April 11 2009 20:03 integral wrote:
Neat, hope the stats get fixed soon, I want to see how many other people also chose Jaedong, Stork and Samsung KHAN. (Probably a lot.)
JD and Stork are the two most popular players, half of the teams have each. I didn't see any statistic concerning particular teams' popularity, but I'm sure Samsung is high there too.
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Check out the trade tab for player ownership stats here
Stats should be fixed shortly
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On April 11 2009 19:34 garista wrote:
How do I leave a group?
click on the (-) sign in red in the misc tab.
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Just to let you know. My page shows Jangbi: 3pts, FBH: 3pts...
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On April 11 2009 21:07 Abydos1 wrote:Check out the trade tab for player ownership stats hereStats should be fixed shortly
Could you post team ownership stats somewhere too?
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Haha, woke up, looked at results was like fuck yea, JD, stork is on my team. Total: 1 point. :p (FBH evens it out, just right now when it's bugged tho.
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On April 11 2009 21:07 Malongo wrote:click on the (-) sign in red in the misc tab.
That what I assumed as well, but there's none. There's only a [+] next to "First Time Participants" (which doesn't even apply to me), but no [-].
Also I can't join "stx fans", even though I just chose them in my profile (for testing purposes).
Anyway I'll quit the whining now for an "awesome job!".
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On April 11 2009 22:07 garista wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 21:07 Malongo wrote:On April 11 2009 19:34 garista wrote:
How do I leave a group? click on the (-) sign in red in the misc tab. That what I assumed as well, but there's none. There's only a [+] next to "First Time Participants" (which doesn't even apply to me), but no [-]. Also I can't join "stx fans", even though I just chose them in my profile (for testing purposes). Anyway I'll quit the whining now for an "awesome job!".
I manually added you; most of the groups that show up now are locked so you can't join/leave them.
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United States3705 Posts
lol, I had KHAN, JD, Stork, and FBH
very noice
edit: 23 points ^^, and I was right about Juni > GGPlay
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On April 11 2009 22:09 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 22:07 garista wrote:On April 11 2009 21:07 Malongo wrote:On April 11 2009 19:34 garista wrote:
How do I leave a group? click on the (-) sign in red in the misc tab. That what I assumed as well, but there's none. There's only a [+] next to "First Time Participants" (which doesn't even apply to me), but no [-]. Also I can't join "stx fans", even though I just chose them in my profile (for testing purposes). Anyway I'll quit the whining now for an "awesome job!". I manually added you; most of the groups that show up now are locked so you can't join/leave them.
Thank you very much.
Could you throw me out of the "Newbie" group please? (I may have a low post count but 6 years TL shouldn't count as newbie.)
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On April 11 2009 15:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
the results right now are kind of screwed up, please don't pay attention to them lol
will be fixed whenever abydos gets on
On April 11 2009 09:31 Abydos1 wrote:
We're experiencing a minor problem with the stats which should be fixed shortly, sorry for the delay
On April 11 2009 19:36 Abydos1 wrote:
Sorry for the confusion, we're experiencing some issues right now; they should hopefully be fixed soon.
On April 11 2009 21:07 Abydos1 wrote:
Stats should be fixed shortly
Jesus just let them work for a bit and be grateful this thing works at all >_>
Great work guys! It's pretty interesting that >800 out of those 900ish contestants are in Newbie group...
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I don't think that anybody's whining: more troubleshooting, but being polite takes too much room. Or something?
Anyway, that's a good reminder, thanks to Abydos and semioldguy and whoever else is working on this - this first-timer is having a blast so far.
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Nobody's whining. We are cool. We are patient.
It's just that bugs have to be made public or they can't be fixed. And as we are at the beginning lots of people have questions.
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Great work guys! It's pretty interesting that >800 out of those 900ish contestants are in Newbie group..
Which might has something to do with the giant postcount required to not be a newbie .
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Oy, why does TT have 3 points when he hasn't even played yet?
I'm not whining. I just want to know ~
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 11 2009 23:38 Zozma wrote:
Oy, why does TT have 3 points when he hasn't even played yet?
I'm not whining. I just want to know ~
because, as its been said about 10 times already, we're experiencing difficulties with the stats and they will be fixed
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First timer here. Vary nice. <3.
I have atlast found another Fantasy League other than Premier league.
Have noticed a few problems - but doesn't really matter that much - much like points on Whose Line is it Anyway!.
Rock ON!
I need Coke.
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Stats of my players are fine now .
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Did Young play or something?
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Hmm should Zero have kind like -1 points, dont know how it works as + Show Spoiler + He lost and team lost 0-3 so it would give points for my anti-team
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United States3705 Posts
On April 12 2009 00:51 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Hmm should Zero have kind like -1 points, dont know how it works as + Show Spoiler + He lost and team lost 0-3 so it would give points for my anti-team
no he should have 0, team loss is not scored
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OK stats are correct now, sorry for the problems.
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Am I supposed to be getting -1 for Young?
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
aww yeah 2nd
orcsmash i think it should be +1
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Think it should be 0. Also number one guy is getting points for players that didn't play. So guess still some work to be done.
Unless I'm completely clueless or something. Do players get points just for being on the team that won? Guess gotta reread some things.
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Yay, my team is doing great so far, my players are 3/3 (jaedong and stork) and only lomo scored 1 point for my anti team
edit: wow i'm in forum veterans, i dont think that i am a veteran though
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woot top 10 in 2 groups although ranked 136 overall (im sure many are the same though T_T)
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On April 12 2009 01:24 orcsmash wrote:Think it should be 0. Also number one guy is getting points for players that didn't play. So guess still some work to be done. Unless I'm completely clueless or something. Do players get points just for being on the team that won? Guess gotta reread some things.
team win = +1
anti team would be -1
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Woot 16, so people can't voluntarily join groups as of now, right?
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On April 12 2009 01:22 3 Lions wrote:
aww yeah 2nd
orcsmash i think it should be +1
hi five there
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On April 12 2009 01:31 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 01:24 orcsmash wrote:Think it should be 0. Also number one guy is getting points for players that didn't play. So guess still some work to be done. Unless I'm completely clueless or something. Do players get points just for being on the team that won? Guess gotta reread some things. team win = +1 anti team would be -1
I know that, but look at my team, orcsmash. I'm getting -1 for Young, who didn't even play.
Plus I was asking if a team like KHAN wins do all the players on KHAN get +1 even if they didn't play? Like look at the number 1 ranked team on Fantasy, Samsung Khan, he is getting a point for JangBi who didn't play.
Or am I missing something?
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On April 12 2009 01:38 orcsmash wrote:
Plus I was asking if a team like KHAN wins do all the players on KHAN get +1 even if they didn't play? (obviously no) Like look at the number 1 ranked team on Fantasy, Samsung Khan, he is getting a point for JangBi who didn't play.
That's how it works, every player gets a point when their team wins.
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Yeah I just realized this second, why I edited.
I got it now, damn, I made a boo-boo with picking Young as anti.
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Rank 24, heheheheheh heheh damn Yarnc, how did he give me -1 to my team? he lost 2 games yesterday...
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Braavos36374 Posts
The "Samsung KHAN" team is the team January would pick if she played Fantasy Proleague. I did this with all the other teams too. They are joke teams that were never meant to win (for instance many have Bisu or Jaedong on their anti-teams), so it's funny that Samsung is in #1 right now.
On April 12 2009 02:13 OmgIRok wrote:
Rank 24, heheheheheh heheh damn Yarnc, how did he give me -1 to my team? he lost 2 games yesterday...
Yarnc got +1 for lineup appearance, +2 for ace, and -2 for two losses, so total +1 (-1 since he's on your anti team).
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
gay firebathero got 2 points for doing nothing there's no way he can win a game to save his life i feel robbed
edit - talking about him being on my anti team obv
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Nice, first day and I'm at -5 points
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TT still has one point. But I guess you're working on it. Other than that, things are running smoothly as far as I can see.
Uh, is "Samsung KHAN" actually Coach January? Because it says "Korean Coaches" as a group that belongs to. Or is it a team that represents the team of Samsung KHAN?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 12 2009 02:38 Zozma wrote:
TT still has one point. But I guess you're working on it. Other than that, things are running smoothly as far as I can see.
TT should have one point due to team win.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
wait Hotbid Samsung KHAN is your team?
fml
edit: oh I saw your post a couple of posts above mine
still fml. Liquibet #1 and Fantasy #1 congrats
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Wait until all the teams have played at least a game to talk about who is where. Where you are now will likely not last to the end of the week.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 12 2009 07:13 3 Lions wrote:
wait Hotbid Samsung KHAN is your team?
fml
edit: oh I saw your post a couple of posts above mine
still fml. Liquibet #1 and Fantasy #1 congrats
lol its not really "my team"
Hot_Bid is my team, the official teams are just fun joke things I entered to see what would happen if you picked all from one team. They aren't going to win, and I don't deserve credit for them because it'd be like me entering 13 teams hehe.
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Lol whoever made the STX team put an Stx player Soo on the anti team
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The trade values are still messed up. Somewhere someone moved a decimal point 108 points to buy jaedong? XD
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thats the punishment for not trusting in jaedong.
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oh man, this is the greatest night of my life
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Dang, Shine for antiteam was a bad mistake on my part, though its the only one so far.
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On April 12 2009 10:39 Zubins wrote:The trade values are still messed up. Somewhere someone moved a decimal point 108 points to buy jaedong? XD
Thats adjusted trade value which is trade value * games left to account for different schedules.
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Main team 4/4 so far, Anti team scored only 1 point but KTF, it makes me feel sad
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Damn I could've been #5 if I didn't have Shine[kal] in my anti-team. Oh well STX fans represent, we're owning this shit
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Baa?21242 Posts
I'm glad I chose STX in the end over CJ. Fighting!
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i accidentally joined "1st time users" group because I clicked on the + not knowing what it was lol. can a mod take me out of it?
edit- just saw there was a button to press to get out of it lol, fuck i feel dumb
at least I'm #1
I will hold on to this moment forever
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Top 10! I'm the only one even near the top without Samsung/STX/Wemade too.
8 points for a 3-0 is such a huge number. I probably wouldn't have picked ACE if I had noticed that the team scoring had changed so drastically.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I'm enjoying the updated stats on the spot. Plus the automated standings and detailed stats tools are quite awesome! Props to TL Staff for organizing such a great thing for us!
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wait lineup appearance means if they are seleceted to play? I tought it only counts if they really get to play. A bit wierd a 3-0ed team 4th player brings 1 point
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 12 2009 15:13 Geo.Rion wrote:
wait lineup appearance means if they are seleceted to play? I tought it only counts if they really get to play. A bit wierd a 3-0ed team 4th player brings 1 point
Players that get selected to play do earn something, it means they are the best on that map or top 4 on the their team for the particular week. Someone who gets selected for lineup, even if he doesn't play, should get more points than some random scrub who doesn't appear ever.
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On April 12 2009 15:29 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 15:13 Geo.Rion wrote:
wait lineup appearance means if they are seleceted to play? I tought it only counts if they really get to play. A bit wierd a 3-0ed team 4th player brings 1 point Players that get selected to play do earn something, it means they are the best on that map or top 4 on the their team for the particular week. Someone who gets selected for lineup, even if he doesn't play, should get more points than some random scrub who doesn't appear ever.
Yeah that makes sense but.... boooo come on I lost a point for having Upmagic on my anti team even though he never appeared booo wtf?!
Oh well. That's life.
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Notice, Shine[Kal, and by great are all on my anti team
fml
but hopefully JD and stork cacn un-fml for me.
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When is the trading players gonna happen?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 12 2009 16:26 Tekin wrote:
When is the trading players gonna happen?
Once games for the week are over on 4/16. There will be two days for trading, 4/16 and 4/17.
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whyyy are they not fielding hwasin, their cute little mascot terran... grrr.
I have by.hero, Kal, Hwasin and STX as my team. still feels like someone pulled one on me because hwasin nor by.hero didn't appear. and YoOn on my anti-team giving me a headache. T_T
edit: holy fuckn shit im #4 ... =O
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is awesome32274 Posts
Fuck Fuck Fuck i know i should have gotten Pure. I told Hot_Bid so many times about it
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On April 12 2009 17:19 IntoTheWow wrote:Fuck Fuck Fuck i know i should have gotten Pure. I told Hot_Bid so many times about it
Pure should be a good choice because fox has no protosses at all
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Such a good start yesterday and now KTF is letting me down big time, while Shine[kaL] wins in my anti team against fOrGG.
Those leagues truely are frustrating
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Second :D
yay! Only Forgg let me down, else was *perfect* today :p
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Killer is in my antiteam and he haven't played yet. And still Iv'e got -1 point from him. Why is that?
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Hwaseung won last night so Killer got +1 team win.
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Bah I am so stupid I haven't seen that he is Oz. Thx for fast reply
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my anti team is still with 0 points...but damn KTF
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Hmm, why is Lomo trade value going down but rest of Oz players are going up (even those who lost games)?
Other question, what happens to players who gets kicked out of A team to B team. Do they still get points if team wins (if they do its wrong)?
What happens when your team captain drops to B team, you can choose new one?
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On April 12 2009 22:33 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Hmm, why is Lomo trade value going down but rest of Oz players are going up (even those who lost games)?
If you look at Hwaseung's players Young & Lomo at 3 points went down 0.05 pts while all the players at 2 went up by 0.04; other than that there's Hiya & Jaedong who both have gained points and gone up. The 2 pt players went up because so far they've gained more than their expected points (ie. if Hwaseung wins every single game a 2 pt player that never played is worth more than the 2 points you payed for him) while the 3 pt players actually need to see playing time to be worth it.
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On April 12 2009 23:06 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 22:33 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Hmm, why is Lomo trade value going down but rest of Oz players are going up (even those who lost games)? If you look at Hwaseung's players Young & Lomo at 3 points went down 0.05 pts while all the players at 2 went up by 0.04; other than that there's Hiya & Jaedong who both have gained points and gone up. The 2 pt players went up because so far they've gained more than their expected points (ie. if Hwaseung wins every single game a 2 pt player that never played is worth more than the 2 points you payed for him) while the 3 pt players actually need to see playing time to be worth it.
Ah yes I didn't see Young trade value stats, so that's why. I was wondering if system is broken
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I need CJ to 3:0 Ace tomorrow and it will be sweet. Or it will be really bad...
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Haha, almost 200 teams are still at or below 0 points.
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Yeah, hahaha, that is wat happens when u think JD will suck loosers!
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On April 13 2009 02:39 dranjam wrote:
Yeah, hahaha, that is wat happens when u think JD will suck loosers!
Only 15 teams have Jaedong anti team and most of those are trying for last place.
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iv looked this over a few times and im not entirely sure the answer but...FBH i have him on my anti team and have -2 points? i know he didn't play and was on the winning side but why is it worth 2 points instead of not 1?
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One point for lineup too.
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On April 13 2009 07:54 StalinRusH wrote:
iv looked this over a few times and im not entirely sure the answer but...FBH i have him on my anti team and have -2 points? i know he didn't play and was on the winning side but why is it worth 2 points instead of not 1?
+1 from lineup appearence
+1 from team win
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On April 13 2009 07:54 StalinRusH wrote:
iv looked this over a few times and im not entirely sure the answer but...FBH i have him on my anti team and have -2 points? i know he didn't play and was on the winning side but why is it worth 2 points instead of not 1?
You get a lineup point if your in the lineup but don't play because its a 3-0 match.
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United States10774 Posts
props to abydos for making this awesome fantasy system
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On April 13 2009 08:07 OneOther wrote:
props to abydos for making this awesome fantasy system
This.
Fantasy starcraft is one the best things teamliquid has done since the tsl and abydos improved it another tenfold.
PS. In the forties! I knew Roro and Pure would come through.
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korean progamers should get in on this! and they cant pick their own team. that would be interesting.
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oh, and yeah, super props to abydos. a competition for last makes it fun for others as well. race in both directions.
when trades begin, is it simple enough so that we wont need additional instructions?
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haha my anti-team is doing well Zero (0 points), Sea (0 points) and Anytime (0 points). Now if my normal team would just win :D
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Much + Savior + CJ combo ftw, #4 :D.
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What's with all the 3-0 results? Lots of players don't even get to play.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
ASS. Just watched vods, i knew STX or CJ is just so much better than KTFail, which costs just 1 point cheaper. What a greedy dumbass i am. Pure got me points at least.
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On April 13 2009 23:10 Magic84 wrote:
ASS. Just watched vods, i knew STX or CJ is just so much better than KTFail, which costs just 1 point cheaper. What a greedy dumbass i am. Pure got me points at least.
Haha, but seriously, its only 1 game so far , it should turn
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Yeap, they will get better in time, and scores will be more even as more players get to play. At least it's not cheat like last round, when they cost 0 points.
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On April 13 2009 23:10 Magic84 wrote:
ASS. Just watched vods, i knew STX or CJ is just so much better than KTFail, which costs just 1 point cheaper. What a greedy dumbass i am. Pure got me points at least.
Same here. I was torn between KTF and Samsung but even though I thought Samsung would go back to performing well I just couldn't bring myself to pick them when Stork seemed to be in slump mode. Losing hope for ForGG and proleague-Lux though...
But Pure and RorO did good for me at least, I hope they keep it up.
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How can we join groups? I was in the Samsung fans group at one time, but when I changed my fantasy team lineup it took me out for whatever reason. I think being added to it was automatic, but I don't know how to get back in since it took me out
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whoawhoa wrong thread.
had spoiler.
my bad.
GREAT fantasy system btw. im having SOO much fun.
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United States13896 Posts
When will we be able to make join groups for smaller groups of friends/people?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 14 2009 04:59 p4NDemik wrote:
When will we be able to make join groups for smaller groups of friends/people?
If you have a group that is a closed and private, you can PM me or Abydos and we can manually set your userlist so others can't join. Usually these groups aren't big enough to warrant display on the board (though some might, if you can think of a good high profile one), but will show up in your profiles.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
prepare to die tonight, most of my team is in action
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I even used 2 points extra, looking good. Though I should have picked one more ACE player but those guys were too cheap
Just has to hope that Lomo wins Zero.
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Is it possible to trade your main team's team (ie KTF, MBC)?
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Wow, I have both RorO and Calm on my antiteam, should've checked the lineups, not only are they seeing a lot of action, they're playing each other soon. That's a guaranteed -3 unless one of their teams sweep. (they play 4th)
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Still rank 5.. woho (and yesterday only yellow played for me) :p
I'm not sure about having Oov and Jangbi on my antiteam anymore...
It's not because of the players themselves (oov is not playing until trades anyway and Jangbi just once against Leta)... It's their teampoints that hurt... Well, after checking the others, my -2 aren't that bad ^^.
Today:
Pls Jaedong win incl. Ace.
Pls Stork and Kahn win including Acematch for Stork...
Pls Jangbi lose :p (he's playing Leta so the odds aren't that bad).
Make me happy.
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I didn't know what the anti-team is for. That's why I picked Leta, BISU and FLASH. FML.
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my anti team ownz, this sucks.
go lose again july, savior, fbh!
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On April 14 2009 16:13 Crunchums wrote:
Is it possible to trade your main team's team (ie KTF, MBC)?
Yep, works just like any other trade.
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On April 14 2009 20:12 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2009 16:13 Crunchums wrote:
Is it possible to trade your main team's team (ie KTF, MBC)? Yep, works just like any other trade.
Under the trade tab there are no teams listed?
edit: + Show Spoiler +also, having two players sent out 4th and then both matches ending 3-0 is rage inducing, more so when on of those players is Jaedong. At least Leta beat Jangbi though ^_^
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On April 14 2009 06:10 3 Lions wrote:prepare to die tonight, most of my team is in action
Hm... Someone was a little wrong I guess?
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On April 14 2009 19:00 Heimatloser wrote:
my anti team ownz, this sucks.
go lose again july, savior, fbh!
o.O Three best-player-on-their-team, all on top teams, for your anti-team? I think you were asking for everything you got.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On April 14 2009 21:44 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2009 06:10 3 Lions wrote:prepare to die tonight, most of my team is in action Hm... Someone was a little wrong I guess?
fml. Trading away Luxury for Savior if he doesn't win tomorrow, maybe trading away FBH.
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On April 14 2009 22:13 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2009 19:00 Heimatloser wrote:
my anti team ownz, this sucks.
go lose again july, savior, fbh! o.O Three best-player-on-their-team, all on top teams, for your anti-team? I think you were asking for everything you got.
Actually, FBH is serving me very well in my anti-team.
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I also wouldn't call these 3 the clearly best players on their team?
July? On a good day probably. But Kal/Hwasin also look awesome on good days, by.hero and notice look strong recently and Calm has atleast shown that he can be very strong in a past PL-Season. Also I haven't seen July play many Ace matches.
FBH? He's slumping like papa slump. Actually he turns out the be a pretty smart choice.
Savior? He is not truly slumping anymore but he is in no way the undisputed aceplayer for CJ (and Skyhigh seems to rapidly destroy saviors effort to become it again ).
The problem I see with these choices is more:
STX = Strong team (in PL-Format).
Kahn = Strong team (today was a weird day anyway so...).
CJ = Looked very good in WL (not so much in PL iirc).
The danger with at least July and Savior is... If theyre chosen for Ace, which is very possible for these 2 when you take into account the *new ZvZ playground* you could possibly lose absurd amounts of points.. (+1 lineup, +1 win, +2 ace, +2 Acewin, +1 Teamwin + evtl. streak / break streak or something like that?).
Well... I took Jangbi, who am I to judge ^^ (well, not a bad choice until now but this could turn fast.... very fast ).
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Standings say... KHAN, CJ, STX are 2, 3, 4 in the standings. Separated by *a* match. Including this week's results, separated by *half* a match.
July has the best record in terms of win-loss on his team, though he doesn't play as much as Kal or Calm.
sAviOr is maybe behind sKyHigh right now, and maaaaaybe Iris. But the way CJ plays it's hard to tell.
firebathero is slumping now, sure. But overall although he's behind Jangbi, he is doing a touch better than Stork.
So not unarguably-better-than-anybody-else-all-the-time (hi Jaedong and Leta), but clearly among the best players on their teams.
We'll wait and see whether it was a justified risk. But the team win points alone would start to pose a problem.
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I feel there are anyway just to way's people have done their antiteam.
Your approach:
Take 3 decent/good players.
My approach:
Take 1 Monster, Jangbi or Bisu are the best players for this because they don't play 100% of the acematches for their teams and have even some *inner*-team competition for their spots (Stork and Best and fill up with 2 "scrubs". Doing this with Jaedong, Flash or Leta would be suicide because they play EVERY damn match.
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On April 15 2009 00:35 Velr wrote:
I feel there are anyway just to way's people have done their antiteam.
Your approach:
Take 3 decent/good players.
My approach:
Take 1 Monster, Jangbi or Bisu are the best players for this because they don't play 100% of the acematches for their teams and have even some *inner*-team competition for their spots (Stork and Best and fill up with 2 "scrubs". Doing this with Jaedong, Flash or Leta would be suicide because they play EVERY damn match.
You have a couple options:
5/4/4 - the 13 points forcing a pick at 5 points really hurts since all the 5 point players are hard choices for anti team
6/4/3 - I think this is the best choice, the 4 & 3 pt players shouldn't hurt you much and your main risk is the 6 point but they aren't the worst picks (especially with the week 1 lineups)
8/3/2 (or any of the 7+ cost players and 2 cheap ones) - Your two cheap players should be easy picks and incur almost no point loss but you're risking a lot on the one expensive player, and if that player does good (especially at the beginning) you're going to be hard pressed to find a good trade for him.
6/6/1 - Your 1 pt player should almost be guaranteed 0 points, its risky taking two of the 6 point players though (or a 7/5).
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How come I don't get mentioned for #1 Fantasy atm :< (even if it probably won't last through tonight)
I picked Iris and Effort because SkyHigh and Savior have been overshadowing them lately, so hopefully they won't get TOO much playtime.
As much as FBH seems to be slumping right now, I think he'll still get playtime for a few more weeks since Khan's T lineup isn't particularly amazing.
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Anti-team was easy for me, because I was auto-picking Bisu for that and then I just grabbed two cheap ACE players to fill it out.
Is FBH doing better than anyone lately?
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On April 15 2009 01:02 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 00:35 Velr wrote:
I feel there are anyway just to way's people have done their antiteam.
Your approach:
Take 3 decent/good players.
My approach:
Take 1 Monster, Jangbi or Bisu are the best players for this because they don't play 100% of the acematches for their teams and have even some *inner*-team competition for their spots (Stork and Best and fill up with 2 "scrubs". Doing this with Jaedong, Flash or Leta would be suicide because they play EVERY damn match.
You have a couple options: 5/4/4 - the 13 points forcing a pick at 5 points really hurts since all the 5 point players are hard choices for anti team 6/4/3 - I think this is the best choice, the 4 & 3 pt players shouldn't hurt you much and your main risk is the 6 point but they aren't the worst picks (especially with the week 1 lineups) 8/3/2 (or any of the 7+ cost players and 2 cheap ones) - Your two cheap players should be easy picks and incur almost no point loss but you're risking a lot on the one expensive player, and if that player does good (especially at the beginning) you're going to be hard pressed to find a good trade for him. 6/6/1 - Your 1 pt player should almost be guaranteed 0 points, its risky taking two of the 6 point players though (or a 7/5).
Your 1 point player doesn't guaranteed 0 points unless he plays ACE. Teams do win and even if he didn't play or he did lose his games, you will get that 1 point.
So best option is to have 1 or 2 ACE players and fill one player with good points to get near 13 points (like hyvaa).
Thats why some people has had some questions why they get points even if their team lost 0-3 but they were 4th player.
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On April 15 2009 03:20 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 01:02 Abydos1 wrote:On April 15 2009 00:35 Velr wrote:
I feel there are anyway just to way's people have done their antiteam.
Your approach:
Take 3 decent/good players.
My approach:
Take 1 Monster, Jangbi or Bisu are the best players for this because they don't play 100% of the acematches for their teams and have even some *inner*-team competition for their spots (Stork and Best and fill up with 2 "scrubs". Doing this with Jaedong, Flash or Leta would be suicide because they play EVERY damn match.
You have a couple options: 5/4/4 - the 13 points forcing a pick at 5 points really hurts since all the 5 point players are hard choices for anti team 6/4/3 - I think this is the best choice, the 4 & 3 pt players shouldn't hurt you much and your main risk is the 6 point but they aren't the worst picks (especially with the week 1 lineups) 8/3/2 (or any of the 7+ cost players and 2 cheap ones) - Your two cheap players should be easy picks and incur almost no point loss but you're risking a lot on the one expensive player, and if that player does good (especially at the beginning) you're going to be hard pressed to find a good trade for him. 6/6/1 - Your 1 pt player should almost be guaranteed 0 points, its risky taking two of the 6 point players though (or a 7/5). Your 1 point player doesn't guaranteed 0 points unless he plays ACE. Teams do win and even if he didn't play or he did lose his games, you will get that 1 point. So best option is to have 1 or 2 ACE players and fill one player with good points to get near 13 points (like hyvaa). Thats why some people has had some questions why they get points even if their team lost 0-3 but they were 4th player.
For all intents the one point cost player should get as close to 0 points as is possible
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Yeah, that's me. I'm only being overshadowed by the stupid Hite Sparkyz coach. All 3 Hite players that I had were successful. Hopefully Lux and ForGG get some damn points for me tonight and I can continue my ascension at this rate (and hit a rank in the negatives :O!).
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well it is kind of strange i am in the "terran users" team since my main team is 4z, 1p, 1t. It is just my anti team that is packed with 3 t.
So next time plz make do not count the anti team, since i am 100% zerg.
PS: Awesome job on all the statistics ! Makes fantasy league even better than last season!
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United States13896 Posts
You get grouped in the Terran/Zerg/Protoss users group depending on why type of icon you use in the forums, not what kind of players you pick for your team ...
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On April 15 2009 06:38 p4NDemik wrote:
You get grouped in the Terran/Zerg/Protoss users group depending on why type of icon you use in the forums, not what kind of players you pick for your team ...
This^^
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 15 2009 06:38 p4NDemik wrote:
You get grouped in the Terran/Zerg/Protoss users group depending on why type of icon you use in the forums, not what kind of players you pick for your team ...
Really? Interesting why I'm not grouped in any of them. Oh well, it doesn't really matter. Having such an awesome system is already good enough for me. Although it does cut down on the suspense of waiting for Hot Bid to update standings manually day by day to see how much you've moved up.
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On April 15 2009 06:54 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 06:38 p4NDemik wrote:
You get grouped in the Terran/Zerg/Protoss users group depending on why type of icon you use in the forums, not what kind of players you pick for your team ... This^^
Yeah, I'm not grouped by race or by team fandom.
I somehow doubt my ability to go up another 698 places today.
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United States13896 Posts
Maybe there was a small window between when the team/race groups were created and when the cutoff was for entries, and you guys made your teams in that window? That's the only idea I have as to why you wouldn't be in those groups.
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On April 15 2009 09:03 p4NDemik wrote:
Maybe there was a small window between when the team/race groups were created and when the cutoff was for entries, and you guys made your teams in that window? That's the only idea I have as to why you wouldn't be in those groups.
Yeah, thats it; I'll be fixing that soon.
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You really should have an option to hide created/non-canon groups, they're kind of cluttered and alot of them are trash.
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On April 15 2009 10:31 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
You really should have an option to hide created/non-canon groups, they're kind of cluttered and alot of them are trash.
Hence why they don't show up on the misc tab -_-
I think half those groups are people messing around with it too.
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On April 15 2009 05:05 ShadowDrgn wrote: BeSt was another great 6 point pick that a lot of people took advantage of.
BeSt is only going to be a great anti-team pick until he starts playing again. I missed out on the medical news somehow so I have him on my actual team, and now I can't decide whether to trade him or wait it out. Reason screams trade, instinct says wait a couple weeks. It'll probably depend on lineups for the next couple weeks to see if any potential trades are actually playing. Otherwise the +1 automatic per week is still useful.
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How do we trade our team's team, they don't appear on that tab and the rules say nothing about trading teams?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 15 2009 12:13 Crunchums wrote:How do we trade our team's team, they don't appear on that tab and the rules say nothing about trading teams?
they appear in the "trading" tab and you'll be able to trade them
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On April 15 2009 12:24 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 12:13 Crunchums wrote:How do we trade our team's team, they don't appear on that tab and the rules say nothing about trading teams? they appear in the "trading" tab and you'll be able to trade them
So they'll appear in the "for" slot that's currently empty?
I guess that makes sense.
Can any team be traded for any team?
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On April 15 2009 12:36 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 12:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 15 2009 12:13 Crunchums wrote:How do we trade our team's team, they don't appear on that tab and the rules say nothing about trading teams? they appear in the "trading" tab and you'll be able to trade them So they'll appear in the "for" slot that's currently empty? I guess that makes sense. Can any team be traded for any team?
Normal trading rules apply. You can only trade for teams of equivalent or lower trade value.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Stats updated, trading is now open. You have roughly 3 days! Good luck.
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Fuuuuuuck. Shine is single-handedly screwing me over
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when are next weeks lineups going to be posted?
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is there any way for me to switch two scrubs worth a little to one decent guy and one 0-pointer?
by.hero looked like a steal for 1 points but the naughty big bois of STX won't let him play against anyone.
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That's it. I've traded Shine away for Best. Cutting my losses right here.
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^ Too late to actually swap people out. At this point, you have to hope their trade value is lower than those you're giving up.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Hey Hot_Bid why don't you give me more credit before I nose dive into mediocrity
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luxury is screwing over my fantasy team t.t how can he suck so hard after winning a starleague -_-;
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Lineups come out before trades end? Or no?
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On April 15 2009 16:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Lineups come out before trades end? Or no?
Trades end in 3 days, lineups come out tomorrow, so yes.
On April 15 2009 16:23 pachi wrote:Hey Hot_Bid why don't you give me more credit before I nose dive into mediocrity
I gave you a shoutout, didn't you read where I said there were many staff in the Top 20?!? PS everyone can see you and your team now, the rankings are far more visible than last round.
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If I had picked Sangho instead of Shine[kal] for my anti-team I would be tied for 6th instead of 100th
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Lol
I thought today has gone horrible for me and i never would see the top ten again.
STX lose.
Kal lose (but ace)
Roro lose (but getting point for Teamwin)
Only forGG won...
Result:
Rank 4.
"Ok" :p..
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there is a problem in the trading system, for example in my case I have in my team sKyHigh while in my anti-team I have YellOw[ArnC].
Currently if I were to decide to switch between these two players I will not be able to do it.
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United States7488 Posts
I'm disappointed in myself.... only 20th after the first week? I'm ready to climb another 19 spots.
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is awesome32274 Posts
Fucking luxury got no wins. Dammit.
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Why are the names in the trade drop down colored different colors?
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United States7488 Posts
On April 15 2009 17:12 Crunchums wrote:
Why are the names in the trade drop down colored different colors?
It reflects their race, so you don't have to check somewhere else to make sure you're keeping to the race rule.
Blue - Terran
Red - Zerg
Green - Protoss
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 15 2009 16:49 bugus wrote:there is a problem in the trading system, for example in my case I have in my team sKyHigh while in my anti-team I have YellOw[ArnC]. Currently if I were to decide to switch between these two players I will not be able to do it.
What is problem in the trading system? What you described isn't how trading works. You aren't allowed to switch any two players, that would be unfair.
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is awesome32274 Posts
FUCK I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH PURE T_T
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On April 15 2009 17:24 IntoTheWow wrote:
FUCK I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH PURE T_T
lol you decided no on pure because you thought his schedule was too hard, he was playing vs lux and notice, and you evaluated his game vs lux on neo medusa as a sure loss
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I hate Kal now.
Suggestions pls :p
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On April 15 2009 17:24 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 16:49 bugus wrote:there is a problem in the trading system, for example in my case I have in my team sKyHigh while in my anti-team I have YellOw[ArnC]. Currently if I were to decide to switch between these two players I will not be able to do it. What is problem in the trading system? What you described isn't how trading works. You aren't allowed to switch any two players, that would be unfair.
Actually, if it's two players, one of which is on the normal team and the other on the anti-team, then switching them could be possible as far as value are concerned, but is not currently doable because a player can't be selected to be traded for who is already in your team, for obvious reasons that there shouldn't ever be duplicates on a team.
A solution for bugus could be to trade the first of the two players for someone with an in-between value first, trade the second player for the first player, and then finally trade the in-between player for the second player.
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but you are only allowed 2 trades per week right?
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and you pay way more that way...
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and also:
there are no players in between those two , and also I would lose more points for that workaround.
PS: still, just want to say that the new format of fantasy league is great. gj.
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United States7488 Posts
It's one more point that way.
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On April 15 2009 17:41 iLoveKTF wrote:
but you are only allowed 2 trades per week right?
2 on normal team and 1 on anti team.
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On April 15 2009 16:38 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 16:23 pachi wrote:Hey Hot_Bid why don't you give me more credit before I nose dive into mediocrity I gave you a shoutout, didn't you read where I said there were many staff in the Top 20?!? PS everyone can see you and your team now, the rankings are far more visible than last round.
Who wants to be grouped with GTR.
Additionally, whats the tiebreaker rule? Why aren't I tied for 2nd.
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38 positive points, 15 negative points ...
That's bad ...
Shine[KaL] I hate you !
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On April 15 2009 19:33 tyr wrote:
38 positive points, 15 negative points ...
That's bad ...
Shine[KaL] I hate you !
Damn and I thought I had it bad. My condolences to you
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On April 15 2009 17:36 Velr wrote:
I hate Kal now.
Suggestions pls :p
I have him too.
but will wait till next weeks lineups before even considering trading him off - STX are playing against ACE which atleast will amount to some points from poor old Kal =P
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On April 15 2009 20:25 ama-cms wrote:I have him too. but will wait till next weeks lineups before even considering trading him off - STX are playing against ACE which atleast will amount to some points from poor old Kal =P
I hope they play by.hero...but if I think again...too many people have by.hero
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OMFG I could have possibly done worse in this Fantasy PL. Why the fuck did I put Shine[kaL] on my fucking anti-team at the last minute? Jesus I'm so dumb.
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On April 15 2009 20:25 ama-cms wrote:I have him too. but will wait till next weeks lineups before even considering trading him off - STX are playing against ACE which atleast will amount to some points from poor old Kal =P
Yeah, i will also wait.
Depending on the lineup I probably will change Roro for Hwasin... I'm not 100% sure about Kal and Stork but well....
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On April 15 2009 19:33 tyr wrote:
38 positive points, 15 negative points ...
That's bad ...
Shine[KaL] I hate you !
God, I have the same thing going on with my team. Where did Shine come from, I thought he was a safe anti-team choice.
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i guess this is the thread where i can complain that i accidentally picked shine[kal] for my anti team instead of the shine on ktf (who never gets play time).
... >_<;;
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On April 15 2009 15:36 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I have Calm and RorO. TT
Wow, your anti-team is killing you.
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xD my anti-team shine[kal] is really pulling me down
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United States7488 Posts
LOL at all the people who put Shine[kal] on their anti-teams. He has been improving his performance and playtime as each round of Proleague passes so far. No reason to pick him for anti-team. He was on my short list of players for the main team, but didn't quite make the cut. There are a bunch of other under-picked players too that I think will be really good choices by the end of the round.
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How long does it usually take for next weeks lineups to go up? edit: nm found the answer on page 11.
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On April 15 2009 16:49 bugus wrote:there is a problem in the trading system, for example in my case I have in my team sKyHigh while in my anti-team I have YellOw[ArnC]. Currently if I were to decide to switch between these two players I will not be able to do it.
This was just noticed by Hot_Bid the other day and should be fixed shortly; in the meantime if you want to make a trade like this PM me and I can arrange it.
On April 15 2009 19:31 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2009 16:38 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 15 2009 16:23 pachi wrote:Hey Hot_Bid why don't you give me more credit before I nose dive into mediocrity I gave you a shoutout, didn't you read where I said there were many staff in the Top 20?!? PS everyone can see you and your team now, the rankings are far more visible than last round. Who wants to be grouped with GTR. Additionally, whats the tiebreaker rule? Why aren't I tied for 2nd.
Tiebreaker rule is captain's score (if you mouseover someone's pt total it will display their captain's score).
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19 points in one day. Fun.
I'm going to milk being sixth for as long possible so no trades.
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Seriously, How do you lose after scouting a hydra break? 
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On April 16 2009 03:02 ZergZoul wrote:Seriously, How do you lose after scouting a hydra break?
I think he thought there was no way Shine was going to still do the hydra break after he scouted it, so he built a cannon in his main thinking fast mutas. Kal kept trying to get a probe or zeal out to see if Shine built hydras, but Shine used his lings to deny, and didn't show the hydras until he had like 10+. Kal over-thought it, for sure.
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I put my faith in Luxury even though I don't like him.. at all. He did win an MSL after all.
That'll teach me.
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Hm the Sold columns don't populate on Trading page?
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On April 16 2009 03:23 Jayme wrote:
I put my faith in Luxury even though I don't like him.. at all. He did win an MSL after all.
That'll teach me.
You, me, and 294 other players that thought winning an MSL really should count for something...
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On April 16 2009 03:35 ph33r wrote:
Hm the Sold columns don't populate on Trading page?
Technically the trades don't go through until the end of the trading period, they actually shouldn't show at all, in none of the columns or player team pages. I assume Abydos will fix this whenever he gets a chance, trades should not display / fully go through until the trading period ends.
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With all the ZvZ matches we're going to see, Luxury is still a solid pick. I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of him.
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On April 16 2009 03:48 ShadowDrgn wrote:
With all the ZvZ matches we're going to see, Luxury is still a solid pick. I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of him.
Yeah...hopefully next time they get Battle Royal they'll send him for a nearly guaranteed ZvZ rather than..Tempest..
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I made a cool 15 points today, which catapulted me way up to ... 18 points -.-
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On April 16 2009 03:13 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2009 03:02 ZergZoul wrote:Seriously, How do you lose after scouting a hydra break? I think he thought there was no way Shine was going to still do the hydra break after he scouted it, so he built a cannon in his main thinking fast mutas. Kal kept trying to get a probe or zeal out to see if Shine built hydras, but Shine used his lings to deny, and didn't show the hydras until he had like 10+. Kal over-thought it, for sure.
Well, that makes sense.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
I'm the only one in the Top 10 without Jaedong.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 16 2009 11:13 pachi wrote:
I'm the only one in the Top 10 without Jaedong.
i don't have jaedong either
stay strong, brother
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On April 16 2009 11:13 pachi wrote:
I'm the only one in the Top 10 without Jaedong.
I think I'm the only one in the Top 100 with one of the negative point proteams. Fewer 3-0 wins please, thanks.
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Roffles
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Just a quick question. If I undo my trade, will I be refunded my Trade Tax?
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Aaaaand BeSt is back. Ho. He's back(Ho) too.
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God please let Hwasin win his games this week..and maybe some ace match appearances..
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On April 16 2009 03:13 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2009 03:02 ZergZoul wrote:Seriously, How do you lose after scouting a hydra break? I think he thought there was no way Shine was going to still do the hydra break after he scouted it, so he built a cannon in his main thinking fast mutas. Kal kept trying to get a probe or zeal out to see if Shine built hydras, but Shine used his lings to deny, and didn't show the hydras until he had like 10+. Kal over-thought it, for sure.
clear case of losing to someone because they suck IMO
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On April 16 2009 13:39 Roffles wrote:
Just a quick question. If I undo my trade, will I be refunded my Trade Tax?
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Braavos36374 Posts
Yes, trade tax is not imposed until the trade is actually executed at the end of the week. You can't incur infinite trade tax by constantly undoing, so don't worry.
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What do you guys think:
Roro (vs Guemchi) for Hwasin (vs Casy, Light).
Antiteam:
Jangbi (vs Much, TheZerg) for Mind (vs free).
There seems to be no nice looking trade for stork :/
My team this weak needs Light to fail (plays 2 of my dudes) ^^.
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Hwasin looks good. I'm trading FBH for him (Only game against sAviOr lolz). fOrGG is playing Reach/Light so he's tempting as well.
HoGiL isn't in the lineup so I'm trading way down for Modesty. I considered HyuN as well, which is less of a drop in trade value, but he has a game against Flash.
I considered trading Mind for JangBi on my main team; I'd definitely do the reverse trade for an anti-team since you were crazy enough to pick JangBi.
I'm trading SangHo off my anti-team for PianO, who isn't in the lineup for the week. SangHo is playing go.go, and while SangHo is horrific at PvT, go.go isn't so hot at TvP.
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Hey, until now picking Jangbi for Antiteam doesn't make me crazy, it makes me a genius (thin line) :p.
I just fear that i, sooner or later, will run out of escape trades for Jangbi/Mind (at least if they dare to refuse to act like my masterplan tells them).
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Boxer/FBH ==> Hero/Pure
Goodbye, sweet princes who got me into Pro SC in the first place. Good idea or no?
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Why hero? He isn't even playing? Keep Boxer unless you think STX will win twice while SKT1 will lose twice... none of them will play, most probably, anyway.
FBH for Pure is tempting, but Wemade (and therefore pure) has only has 1 game this weak just like FBH so the moment to change them might be not really good. And FBH just beats Savior if history is worth anything .
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i refuse to trade FBH because if he comes outta slump will be amazing to have him.
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By.hero and GGPlay, you two on my fantasy team. You two making me cry at night. By.hero because he is amazingly absent, slumping within the inhouse tournaments? and GGPlay because he underperformed in his round 4 debut and is now completely getting sidelined by ZerO.
Wish I had the sense to skip both of these guys and get some 3 pointer who is performing all the time. Whats a single 0 pointer in your roster if you get a guy who plays a lot and can win.. compared to getting a 1-pointer no-show guy and a 2-pointer former champion currently slumping hardcore... *cry*
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Picking by.hero was not smart, it was never smart. After the week 1 lineup were released and by.hero did not show up there was no reason to pick him.
GGplay on the ohter side is sad, but the "Zero problem" was kinda obvious.
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On April 16 2009 21:22 Velr wrote:
Picking by.hero was not smart, it was never smart. After the weak 1 lineup were released and by.hero did not show up there was no reason to pick him.
GGplay on the ohter side is sad, but the "Zero problem" was kinda obvious.
No need to push my face back in it so hard, sir.
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On April 16 2009 21:13 ama-cms wrote:
...By.hero because he is amazingly absent, slumping within the inhouse tournaments?
by.hero wasn't going to get much playing time because STX has July and Calm. I can only assume Modesty is playing as a map sniper or his style fits BR better than any of STX's other three Zergs.
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Just bored at work . Need to write about stuff :p
I've got a 0 pointer, everytime I look at it I feel pain (oh and I feel really big pain when I look at Kal and think how many points he could have earned me...). If you trade by.hero for another 1 pointer that actually sees the light of a game sometimes you pretty fast could earn more good points from him, be it soley thanks to teamwins... Which the 0 pointers don't really generate because they are on Ace :/ (The 0 point trades are really fun: GoRush <-> Yellow <-> Cloud...).
I nearly took up GGplay myself (he seemed very cheap) and I had by.hero in my first few teams... Until the matchups were given out which changed pretty much my whole team (except Jaedong).
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Gah, the great debate of Pure or Stork. One gets more starts while the other has the potential to show up in an Ace Match more.
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I have Savior, Much, Juni and Great and they all play in KHAN vs CJ game and not against each other, this can be point frenzy for me :D.
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Can someone explain why I can trade Hwasin for fOrGG (both have adjusted trade value = 29.97) but I can't trade by.hero for Modesty (adjusted trade value = 9.33)?
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On April 17 2009 03:56 flammie wrote:Can someone explain why I can trade Hwasin for fOrGG (both have adjusted trade value = 29.97) but I can't trade by.hero for Modesty (adjusted trade value = 9.33)?
You'll have to wait for Abydos to give this explanation, I can't think of a reason why not.
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On April 17 2009 04:00 Hot_Bid wrote:You'll have to wait for Abydos to give this explanation, I can't think of a reason why not.
Sorry about the confusion, I'm looking into all of these; I think the trading bug is because its comparing the full values and not the displayed & rounded values (29.97). This should be fixed shortly
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Ok, the equal value trades are working now
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On April 16 2009 19:23 Velr wrote:Why hero? He isn't even playing? Keep Boxer unless you think STX will win twice while SKT1 will lose twice... none of them will play, most probably, anyway. FBH for Pure is tempting, but Wemade (and therefore pure) has only has 1 game this weak just like FBH so the moment to change them might be not really good. And FBH just beats Savior if history is worth anything .
The thing is, I have Oov on my anti... so having boxer is beyond pointless unless I find someone to trade for Oov... can't really think of anyone who's NEARLY as nice, minus the obvious team win points with Bisu/Best/Fantasy etc.
Might reconsider FBH, too. Gotta figure out how to get Pure while his value's low... ugh so hard cause i don't wanna lose fbh.
edit: Might trade Stork away even though he's bound to start kickign ass soon juts because I want FBH more... maybe Savior instead for Pure, who knows. FFFFFF
When's the trade deadline? Start of the matches on the 18th?
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What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX.
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On April 17 2009 05:41 fOrTT wrote:
What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX.
Go for Modesty (if you can, aka only having 1 protoss and its no go)
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On April 17 2009 05:49 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 05:41 fOrTT wrote:
What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX. Go for Modesty (if you can, aka only having 1 protoss and its no go)
Yes but given the factors I stated, why would you consider it?
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On April 17 2009 05:51 fOrTT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 05:49 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 17 2009 05:41 fOrTT wrote:
What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX. Go for Modesty (if you can, aka only having 1 protoss and its no go) Yes but given the factors I stated, why would you consider it?
You have to gamble, but I'd say Modesty can win both zvz matches and who knows maybe horang2 will not get enough play time. Consider if STX wins both matches, modestys value will go up faster. Hite having only 1 match this week so Horang2 can gain only 1 point max (against eSTRO so 1 point is almost sure thing).
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On April 17 2009 05:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 05:51 fOrTT wrote:On April 17 2009 05:49 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 17 2009 05:41 fOrTT wrote:
What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX. Go for Modesty (if you can, aka only having 1 protoss and its no go) Yes but given the factors I stated, why would you consider it? You have to gamble, but I'd say Modesty can win both zvz matches and who knows maybe horang2 will not get enough play time. Consider if STX wins both matches, modestys value will go up faster. Hite having only 1 match this week so Horang2 can gain only 1 point max (against eSTRO so 1 point is almost sure thing).
Yea, thats what I was thinking. Say if Modesty wins both his games and STX wins both matches as well, do you think Modesty's current trade value 9.33 would match Horang's 15.24 after this week? I want to be able to trade Modesty for Horang back after this week if it is possible.
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On April 17 2009 06:06 fOrTT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 05:59 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 17 2009 05:51 fOrTT wrote:On April 17 2009 05:49 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 17 2009 05:41 fOrTT wrote:
What do you guys think about trading Horang2 (15.24) for Modesty (9.33)?
Horang showed promise last week but is not in the lineup this week. Modesty is in the lineup twice this week against 2 zergs, HyuN and OverskY.
Horang2 will likely play for Hite all the time after this week when they realize herb sucks, while STX has lots of zergs they can replace modesty with.
Anything can happen in ZvZ with sub-par zerg players like modesty, hyun, and oversky. I feel like I won't be able to get horang back later if i trade him for modesty.
Say if modesty wins both his games, what would be his new trade value? Would it be high enough to trade back for horang after this week?
Also, I'm pretty guranteed to make back the 1 pt I lose from trading because there's no way ACE will beat STX. Go for Modesty (if you can, aka only having 1 protoss and its no go) Yes but given the factors I stated, why would you consider it? You have to gamble, but I'd say Modesty can win both zvz matches and who knows maybe horang2 will not get enough play time. Consider if STX wins both matches, modestys value will go up faster. Hite having only 1 match this week so Horang2 can gain only 1 point max (against eSTRO so 1 point is almost sure thing). Yea, thats what I was thinking. Say if Modesty wins both his games and STX wins both matches as well, do you think Modesty's current trade value 9.33 would match Horang's 15.24 after this week? I want to be able to trade Modesty for Horang back after this week if it is possible.
Nvm, I get it now. As long as Modesty and STX wins one of their games, his value will match that of Horang's or close to it so I should be able to trade him back for Horang after this week.
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United States7488 Posts
Trading is for sissies. :p
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On April 17 2009 09:17 semioldguy wrote:
Trading is for sissies. :p
I'm a sissie.
But I think my trades made sense. FBH -> Hwasin on my main team and Anytime -> Shine[kal] for my antiteam.
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Shine[kal] killing my team.
Should i trade go.go away from anti team. I don't like his chances of winning against Sangho.
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On April 17 2009 09:57 Abydos1 wrote:
Perfect team for week 1:
10 - Jaedong (+9)
4 - Shine[kal] (+9)
2 - Pure (+8)
5 - Calm (+5)
3 - RorO (+5)
2 - Hogil (+5)
3 - WeMade FOX (+12)
29 points => +53
There are numerous ways to have 0 points anti team
Who is the Terran of this team?
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On April 17 2009 10:11 jpunshon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 09:57 Abydos1 wrote:
Perfect team for week 1:
10 - Jaedong (+9)
4 - Shine[kal] (+9)
2 - Pure (+8)
5 - Calm (+5)
3 - RorO (+5)
2 - Hogil (+5)
3 - WeMade FOX (+12)
29 points => +53
There are numerous ways to have 0 points anti team Who is the Terran of this team?
Oops overlooked that, hmm that complicates things. Edited
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On April 17 2009 09:57 Abydos1 wrote:Perfect team for week 1:9 - Leta ( +7) 4 - Shine[kaL] ( +9) 2 - Pure ( +8) 7 - Leta ( +6) 3 - RorO ( +5) 2 - HoGiL ( +5) 3 - WeMade FOX ( +12) 30 points => +52There are numerous ways to have 0 points anti team
Hmmm...That looks like a whole lot of Leta for just one team.
Edit: Nvmd, I think you just meant for the second Leta to be Mind.
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On April 17 2009 10:48 Lemonwalrus wrote:Hmmm...That looks like a whole lot of Leta for just one team. Edit: Nvmd, I think you just meant for the second Leta to be Mind.
Haha oops, yeah
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On April 17 2009 09:17 semioldguy wrote:
Trading is for sissies. :p
Not trading is for sissies :[
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I just want to say 1 thing..
I HATE YOU SHINE >.<
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Braavos36374 Posts
sucks to be a shinekal anti team owner hahaha
what i expect is most of his anti-owners will just roll the dice because you can only trade him for premium guys because his value has risen so high.
so the next time shinekal gets put up for ace because of his performance against kal, so many people will be like NOOOOOOOOO
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Woohoo I was one of the ones smart enough to pick up Shine before he got huge!
Too bad the rest of my team sucks...
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can't wait for the games tomorrow...
plan:
Go out drink.
Come home at about ~6. am...
Hope someone is streaming.
Celebrating my glorious picks.
Going happy to sleep.
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On April 18 2009 03:39 Velr wrote:
Going happy to sleep.
Sure you're not drunk already?
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Nah, i wasn't then.
But the problem is...
It's now 2.05 am here... and.. well.. I'm drunk like hell.
BUT 4 hours waiting time right now seems like an eternity...
I screwed up the come home at 6.00 am part, i fear...
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Is trading open to the last minute before the matches start?
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On April 18 2009 12:32 orcsmash wrote:
Is trading open to the last minute before the matches start?
Hot_Bid had set it to expire 30 mins before the matches start; I added 20 more minutes, thats all your getting though ;P
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I traded about 10 min ago .
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Yeah, trading is... not closed right now. I assume something goofed up.
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On April 18 2009 12:37 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2009 12:32 orcsmash wrote:
Is trading open to the last minute before the matches start? Hot_Bid had set it to expire 30 mins before the matches start; I added 20 more minutes, thats all your getting though ;P
Trade is still possible
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Trading is not possible, if you look closely you will see there are no buttons to make the trades with...
The drop down boxes display possible trades throughout the week so you can get an idea of what the trading situation might be at the end of the week.
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On April 18 2009 15:20 fusionsdf wrote:Any way you can arrange it to see other people's trades? For instance if I look at the #1 players team, http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Team.php?team=brjdrb&r=2I see 4 players, and 2 more struck out. I'm assuming those are the two players traded, but I cant see a way to find out which players he has on his team currently.
there should be a box in the bottom right that says "trades made". that's what i see when i look at other player's teams who traded
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baaah outa top 13
fucking KTF train
I'll be back though
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United States4991 Posts
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Braavos36374 Posts
TL Staff and former Top 10 Raping.
High five Insane, intrigue, Intothewow, Pachi, GTR, semioldguy
WOOT
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United States4991 Posts
Hot_Bid is lurking sinisterly at #11 I see
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On April 18 2009 15:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
TL Staff and former Top 10 Raping.
High five Insane, intrigue, Intothewow, Pachi, GTR
WOOT
No high five to me ?
edit: former top 10 are the best though
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On April 18 2009 15:27 brjdrb wrote:there should be a box in the bottom right that says "trades made". that's what i see when i look at other player's teams who traded
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I swear I've never even once seen that box before
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On April 18 2009 15:43 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2009 15:27 brjdrb wrote:On April 18 2009 15:20 fusionsdf wrote:Any way you can arrange it to see other people's trades? For instance if I look at the #1 players team, http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Team.php?team=brjdrb&r=2I see 4 players, and 2 more struck out. I'm assuming those are the two players traded, but I cant see a way to find out which players he has on his team currently. there should be a box in the bottom right that says "trades made". that's what i see when i look at other player's teams who traded Ｔ＿＿＿Ｔ I swear I've never even once seen that box before
well maybe because it just showed up... (we don't want you viewing a player's trades while trading is still open).
There's a couple minor display issues on some of the pages which should be fixed within the next day; seems the misc tab didn't like all those trades, lol.
(Woot, 35th  )
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On April 18 2009 15:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
TL Staff and former Top 10 Raping.
High five Insane, intrigue, Intothewow, Pachi, GTR
WOOT
you missed semioldguy who is also 19th with GTR
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do you guys think this would be good trade?
skyhigh for hwasin
savior for july
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On April 18 2009 15:52 ExSoldier wrote:
do you guys think this would be good trade?
skyhigh for hwasin
savior for july
maybe skyhigh
July >>>>> Savior
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Wooot! Just jumped >550 places after tonight!
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dam still cant do the trade TT
when can we start trading again?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 18 2009 15:51 pachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2009 15:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
TL Staff and former Top 10 Raping.
High five Insane, intrigue, Intothewow, Pachi, GTR
WOOT you missed semioldguy who is also 19th with GTR ]: what about plexa at 34
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Maybe it's still too early to tell, but I like how the top people so far all have very varied teams(KTF heavy, STX heavy, etc), with no 3 players totally destroying everyone else last in R2.
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Braavos36374 Posts
hot_bid intrigue pachi plexa abydos are real men who don't need Jaedong to win
everyone else pray for jaedong 2 carry ur teams
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I bought Jaedong out of loyalty to my favorite player more than anything. This is actually the first time I've had him on my team. I thought he was too expensive in previous rounds.
I believe he's undervalued in this round, mostly because of Battle Royale.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Username: Dyno.
Favorite Player: Jaedong
Race: Protoss
Team: SK Telecom T1
Inconsistency: Yes
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Can anyone help me? I can't trade anything? I tried but there's no button to accept or anything of that sort.
edit:: I guess we missed the 1st week of trading..
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I have a question (since I can't find it).
When can I trade again? I'm trying to dump effort while he's overvalued (I think).
Or was that only during the first week?
edit^^: I'm having the same problem, I can't find the original thread with the trading rules
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Trading is only available between weeks. You'll have to wait until after Tuesday's games to trade again.
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MBC Game Hero should join the "Trying to fail" group, coz they're pretty damn good at failin` :s
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Overslept...
Still top 10 but damn you Hwasin/STX, thats not how this should have went!.
BTW.. Whats the reasoning behind the ranking:
9 Kaervek56 44 47 -3 0 — +17 ▲38 +17 ▲38 9
9 Velr 44 50 -4 2 +1 +12 ▼5 +12 ▼5 2
11 Hot_Bid 44 48 -2 2 -4 +21 ▲82 +21 ▲82 11
12 intrigue 44 47 -2 1 0 +17 ▲34 +17 ▲34 12
Logic tells me i should either be before Kaervek56 (for total points earned) or behind intrigue for havinge worst antiteam or behind intrigue for having worst week.
weak = week, i don't bloody know why i so often write weak
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On April 18 2009 16:29 Hot_Bid wrote:
Username: Dyno.
Favorite Player: Jaedong
Race: Protoss
Team: SK Telecom T1
Inconsistency: Yes
Okay if we're being 100% honest, my favorite player is Boxer. But among current players that are actually significant in the competitive scene, Jaedong is my favorite (it's not Bisu because I find Bisu to be a huge dick, which overshadows the fact that he plays for my favorite team).
Never knew your favorite player had to be on your favorite team and play the same race as you.
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Ah, that's the rules for trading. Guess I have to wait a week then.
One or two trades, and I should be hitting top 20 hopefully.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 18 2009 16:59 Velr wrote:Overslept... Still top 10 but damn you Hwasin/STX, thats not how this should have went!. BTW.. Whats the reasoning behind the ranking: 9 Kaervek56 44 47 -3 0 — +17 ▲38 +17 ▲38 9 9 Velr 44 50 -4 2 +1 +12 ▼5 +12 ▼5 2 11 Hot_Bid 44 48 -2 2 -4 +21 ▲82 +21 ▲82 11 12 intrigue 44 47 -2 1 0 +17 ▲34 +17 ▲34 12 Logic tells me i should either be before Kaervek56 (for total points earned) or behind intrigue for havinge worst antiteam or behind intrigue for having worst weak
tiebreaker is captain points
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Thank God, I'm in 25th place :D. I want to trade YellOw for Violet though.... :/.
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This sucks.
I have Jaedong, July, and Kal - all scoring nine points for me, yet my score's ruined because of stupid Shine.
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On April 18 2009 16:51 Jaeden wrote:
MBC Game Hero should join the "Trying to fail" group, coz they're pretty damn good at failin` :s
There's a difference between 'trying to fail' and 'failing'.
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didnt see Hwasin failing - I traded Stork for him thats bad
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I just joined the aussie group, since im not usa, europe nor asia. I need some refugee.
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United States7488 Posts
On April 18 2009 16:04 Hot_Bid wrote:
hot_bid intrigue pachi plexa abydos are real men who don't need Jaedong to win
everyone else pray for jaedong 2 carry ur teams
That's cool... Sangho is going to come back to carry my team anyway. Not many people had the balls to pick a lot of the players on my team... I'll show them!
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damn id be in the top 3 if i didnt have a horrible anti team. damn you julyzerg -_- he wasn't used that much in winners league, yet suddenly hes used all the time now.
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Can you apply for groups? I'd like to join the Asians group.
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On April 18 2009 21:32 general.li wrote:
Can you apply for groups? I'd like to join the Asians group.
Just hit the plus next to it on the group page.
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My trades did amazing this week.
The guy I picked up on my main team lost to the guy that I picked up for my anti-team.
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Ya #38! Wooo! So far I'm happy with not trading.
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On April 18 2009 01:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
sucks to be a shinekal anti team owner hahaha
what i expect is most of his anti-owners will just roll the dice because you can only trade him for premium guys because his value has risen so high.
so the next time shinekal gets put up for ace because of his performance against kal, so many people will be like NOOOOOOOOO
I traded Zero away for Shine[kal] :D GOnna go slump!!! (anti-team)
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Crap, my captain is facing Jaedong tonight...
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Is trading closed right now? Because I have one trade left and it I'm trying to trade nbs for backho. It shows me the option to chose backho but there is no trade button.
Sorry if this is an epic fail....
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On April 19 2009 11:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Is trading closed right now? Because I have one trade left and it I'm trying to trade nbs for backho. It shows me the option to chose backho but there is no trade button.
Sorry if this is an epic fail....
If I understand correctly trades are only open between weeks, so the next time you could trade will be after the games on wednesday.
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I so suck at this rank 7xx ftl,
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On April 19 2009 12:01 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2009 11:42 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Is trading closed right now? Because I have one trade left and it I'm trying to trade nbs for backho. It shows me the option to chose backho but there is no trade button.
Sorry if this is an epic fail.... If I understand correctly trades are only open between weeks, so the next time you could trade will be after the games on wednesday.
this^^
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United States3443 Posts
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backho fucks my fanatsy up..... how is it possible to fail that horribly
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I think... that I have to get rid of Saint and Pusan. It was a gamble that MBC would get back into shape, and it's not working.
Also failbathero needs to stop sucking...
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why is Khan not playing my captain Jangbi?
i thought this was going to be a great season for him!
guess the joke is on me.
they better START him next week and start with a win. noobs.
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3-0 matches are ruining fantasy PL. True story.
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I don't mind if I'm not doing brilliantly at this fantasy PL, SKT are winning.
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On April 19 2009 15:12 cUrsOr wrote:
why is Khan not playing my captain Jangbi?
i thought this was going to be a great season for him!
guess the joke is on me.
they better START him next week and start with a win. noobs.
Same here. My captain and most expensive player Jangbi is the only one who underperforms. If he had gotten to play and gained a couple points like he should, I'd be top50.
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Ucch, Jaedong and FailHo killed me today.
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United States4991 Posts
Hm, pretty much everyone I wanted to win lost
And pretty much everyone I wanted to lose won!
wtf :o
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Don't complain, you're still in 7th place.
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Is trade on yet or is it yet to be announced?
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I believe that trading is allowed at the end of the proleague week, not at the end of the week, i.e. sunday.
I think trading starts wednesday.
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My fantasy PL is awesome.
+58 -15
This is so great.
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Well I'm done for. The old fantasy baseball adage of keeping on to your players didn't exactly pay off in this fantasy league. :|
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its looking pretty grim right now.
I can't believe that it would be Jaedong that would let me down like this.
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Yeah my trade Zero to Shine[kal] paid off. (anti-team). Hyvaa finally getting wins. OMG I might get my first point if MBC loses 0-3 for Sea (anti-team), gogo 1-3 plz :D
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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Things that went right today:
- Really maintaining his failing streak.
- Pure and WeMade both losing, allowing his value to fall within trading range with Firebathero.
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Things that went right today:
Mind lost.
Things that went bad today:
None
Things that just go wrong:
Jaedong.
Well... Tomorrow will be more important.
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China3334 Posts
I don't even know this Roro kid but he brought me two victories! :D
DAMN YES + Show Spoiler +
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Braavos36374 Posts
Stats updated.
Anti-team is important!
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On April 19 2009 22:12 tyr wrote:
My fantasy PL is awesome.
+58 -15
This is so great.
I'm at +54 -16..
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Melbourne5338 Posts
I'm not tied for 3rd... Leta > Jaedong ez
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Braavos36374 Posts
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Melbourne5338 Posts
iris is mean
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jeah those brave leta owners .]
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Woo! I've taken sole posession of last place. :D
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Yay, I'm in first place. Lets see how long I can keep it up. I doubt it will be for long though because I don't feel my Anti-Team was well thought out. It's funny hearing me say that because that's supposed to be my strength.
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My run at second place will fail horrifically in just a few days. I barely have anybody playing tomorrow and absolutely no one affecting my team playing two days from now. Oh well, the next Hite Sparkyz match will present me with a lot of points :D
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United States13143 Posts
ugh Pure, you were supposed to win!
At least I traded FBH(who also lost) for him.
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On April 21 2009 05:59 darod2007 wrote:Yay, I'm in first place. Lets see how long I can keep it up. I doubt it will be for long though because I don't feel my Anti-Team was well thought out. It's funny hearing me say that because that's supposed to be my strength.
I'm surprised Reach + Anytime have only scored one point.
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Braavos36374 Posts
well, ace was very, very close to beating STX the other night
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Baa?21242 Posts
Any other time I'd have been happy. The fact that it was STX made me rage =[
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I'm still confident in my team. Switching out thezerg for ggplay is my biggest regret though
I literally made that change a couple hours before the deadline, and I've been regretting it ever since
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
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... I had 5 out of my 6 player playing...
Flash -> fail,
Hwasin -> fail
Frogg -> fail...
Casy win -> which makes my KTF team fails (and prevents Flash from going out as Ace)...
and only Kal did something right :/
(but I still hold a grudge against Kal for when he lost in Ace game against Shine[kal] who is in my anti-team... Lost 10 points on one game :O)
Nothing going as planned
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traded GGplay for Oversky this week = win!! 
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On April 21 2009 07:09 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2009 05:59 darod2007 wrote:Yay, I'm in first place. Lets see how long I can keep it up. I doubt it will be for long though because I don't feel my Anti-Team was well thought out. It's funny hearing me say that because that's supposed to be my strength. I'm surprised Reach + Anytime have only scored one point.
Right now Reach and Sea pwned darod.
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Main Team: Luxury, Forgg, Anytime, Hwasin, Hyun.
Anti Team: Casy, Light.
Today's update will not be kind to Lemonwalrus.
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
Hwasin failed me. Trade sucked.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Updated. Brutal, brutal night for a lot of owners.
Pretty crazy season thus far, nobody is even remotely close to the perfect team.
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KTF 
But Light finally scored me some points!
..unfortunately, Hwasin didn't..
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I had Casy on my team last round and he didn't do jack, so I put him on my anti-team this round. FML, as the kids say.
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Wow. I've jumped 295 places this week. The only way I could've done better last night is if it had gone to ace matches and calm and oversky been sent forth.
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Rofl... I thought i have had it for this season after today... But:
I had 3 x Mainteam, my Team and 2 x Antiteam playing:
Kal won, owed me that one for his fuck up(s) anyway
Hwasin/ForGG/STX *fuuu*
Thank you Yellow for being on ACE.
Mind/Firefist nice fail.
+22 Ranks coming in at 12.
I felt like this day could not have gone much worse, but obviously i wasn't alone with this impression ^^.
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On April 21 2009 22:23 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2009 07:09 Abydos1 wrote:On April 21 2009 05:59 darod2007 wrote:Yay, I'm in first place. Lets see how long I can keep it up. I doubt it will be for long though because I don't feel my Anti-Team was well thought out. It's funny hearing me say that because that's supposed to be my strength. I'm surprised Reach + Anytime have only scored one point. Right now Reach and Sea pwned darod.
They sure as hell did. I knew it was bound to happen though. Oh well, at least I can say that I was 1st place at one time.
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Who's the best trader guys :D +12
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Everything I wanted to happen last night happened and I still somehow fell some spots
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Hopefully Best or somebody owns today. I think that'll put me in first place...
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Braavos36374 Posts
BroOd has Stork main and Best anti, a lot will be riding on that match.
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Hehe
Stork is on 447 Teams and on 17 antis.
Best is on 61 Teams and 138 antis.
This would probably have a huge impact on the rankings .
pls best, lose.
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I'll laugh when SKT vs Samsung is a 3-0 and Stork/Best don't even play. :p
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Hmm, the funny thing is that even when I have Stork in my team, a Best/SKT win might actually push me up in the rankings more due to the (-4) other people will get. I love this new layer of fantasy pro
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If only I'd had some balls and swapped out Nada for thezerg, would probably be top 10 right now if I had.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 22 2009 05:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
BroOd has Stork main and Best anti, a lot will be riding on that match.
+ Show Spoiler +Poor Brood. Still can't believe Stork messed that first attack up so badly.
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On April 22 2009 14:48 LipsOfDeceit wrote:
If only I'd had some balls and swapped out Nada for thezerg, would probably be top 10 right now if I had.
Nada is a pretty bad choice anyway since he is not playing in the league. he is concentrating on starleague games practice 100%, his own choice.
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is awesome32274 Posts
Wow, standings changed SO much with that match alone.
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It's really strange that Savior has earned less points and has a lower initial cost than Kal... yet he is worth more in Adj Trade Value.
The same is true for Free/Jaedong. Free has earned 8 points, while costing 8 initially. Jaedong has earned 9 points while costing 10 initially. Yet, Free is worth more than Jaedong right now.
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Doh, I guess it's because CJ and Woongjin has more games left than Oz and STX
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:07 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2009 05:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
BroOd has Stork main and Best anti, a lot will be riding on that match. + Show Spoiler +Poor Brood. Still can't believe Stork messed that first attack up so badly.
+ Show Spoiler +It was unbelievable. He had a fucking shuttle!!!!!!! All my big guns have been letting me down this week, only my little dudes are stepping up their game. Thezerg is a hero.
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On April 22 2009 12:28 Evs wrote:Hmm, the funny thing is that even when I have Stork in my team, a Best/SKT win might actually push me up in the rankings more due to the (-4) other people will get. I love this new layer of fantasy pro
Just as planned fufufu
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United States13896 Posts
Having CJ as my team is the only thing keeping me alive ... if only I had another player who actually did anything this week I would be in good shape.
That damned Modesty trade is going to kill me too I just know it. He probably won't play at all the rest of the season and I won't be able to trade for someone who actually has a shot of winning with his value being so low.
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lol I jumped up like 600 places this past week haha
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wheres by.hero btw? is he focusing in his individual leagues like nada?
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God Stork, that was such a horrible attack... why...
Also, you don't need to use spoiler tags in this thread; its assumed you're up to date if you're checking this thread (or at least aware you're probably going to see spoilers).
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:37 Abydos1 wrote:
God Stork, that was such a horrible attack... why...
Let's just try to forget about it, shall we?
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Braavos36374 Posts
Kennigit is second lolollllllllll
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-_- Best on anti, damn you stork. 30 place drop, really, really wish I'd swapped Nada for thezerg now.
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On April 11 2009 09:46 BWdero wrote:
That is quite possibly the most awesome banner ever.
agreed.
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Teampoints really feels OP :-/
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Cj is really performing strong, hopefully they will start to struggle soon :o
i am the first player that doesnt have cj entus
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I didn't check last week, how does trading work?
We can start trading now until when? Saturday?
Do we get to see the new line ups before trading?
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On April 22 2009 18:15 Beamo wrote:
I didn't check last week, how does trading work?
We can start trading now until when? Saturday?
Do we get to see the new line ups before trading?
We get to see the new lineups before trading. That's what happened last week. We can start trading until the very 1st game of new PL week begins.
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I'm pretty much out of the run but I might as well try to salvage a few points
by.hero... you're out!
On April 22 2009 18:32 Jumperer wrote:
when is trading deadlines?
You've got a trading deadline countdown on the trading page.
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Hey, I broke the top 200. For now. BeSt is my hero.
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My fantasy team of Bisu,Stork and Frozean lost yet i gained rank due to SKT1 !
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Braavos36374 Posts
I know its really easy to ask "when does trading end!??!?!" 20 times in this thread even though it's been answered, but if you click trading, there's a countdown that tells you when trading ends
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On April 23 2009 01:30 Hot_Bid wrote:I know its really easy to ask "when does trading end!??!?!" 20 times in this thread even though it's been answered, but if you click trading, there's a countdown that tells you when trading ends
(my question has been answered, thx)
On this page : http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Trade.php?r=2 ?
I can't find the counter... :/
You sure it's there ? :/
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Braavos36374 Posts
it's there for me, it's above the trading window...
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my team fails hard, luckily i got CJ to carry me
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On April 23 2009 01:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
it's there for me, it's above the trading window...
i might be blind but i do not see it either...
Also does anybody knwos when the new lineups will be announced? (aproximatevly)
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United States13896 Posts
I don't see the trade ticker either.
Next week's lineups will be out tonight. (around midnight Eastern)
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Braavos36374 Posts
The lineups come out the same time every week, and have been coming out at that time the past 40 weeks.
If you click the trading tab, there should be a countdown directly above where you trade players. If you don't see it, it might be a bug or something. Abydos will have to take a look. I definitely see it though, weird that some of you don't. Regardless, the trading always ends close to the first match of the next week.
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Can you add scoring and initial costs to the OP?
edit: thanks
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If you have javascript disabled you won't see it; trading always ends within an hour before the first game this next week.
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On April 22 2009 15:32 JFKWT wrote:
wheres by.hero btw? is he focusing in his individual leagues like nada?
I'm not sure about that, but being on the same team as Calm and July makes him much less likely to be sent out, despite being very strong. (I'm debating trading him for someone like modesty, who is worse but will get played more). He has a better vs T than the other two, but July's vs P is better, and both are better vs Z.
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I picked Nada...
Firebathero is slumping like ass.
Hoejja has to play against free.
Horang2 against Flash and Hwasin... does not look too good.
Backho vs Nada and Upgmacig? Not exactly what you call a save bet and Hwasung seems to slump...
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Traded Modesty for by.hero, GGPlay for BackHo (my heart hurts) and in the anti-team Calm for Iris.
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On April 23 2009 16:15 bugus wrote:so...with the line-up out here, probably like many others I am thinking on trading fOrGG away from my team. Below his trading value, I searched for players that are sent out in both games this week, and here is the short list: NaDa (vs BackHo and vs great) firebathero (vs hyvaa and vs Pure) HoeJJa ( vs HoGiL and vs free) Horang2 ( vs Flash and vs Hwasin) BackHo (vs NaDa and vs UpMaGiC) Who would you pick instead of fOrGG?
Nada EZ, and my friend traded him away befor the lineups were out xD Nada is REEALLY good and he has the mediocre opponents.
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On April 23 2009 21:35 Geo.Rion wrote:Nada EZ, and my friend traded him away befor the lineups were out xD Nada is REEALLY good and he has the mediocre opponents.
Only problem with Nada is that he is being sent out 4th on possible 3-0 matches. I was seriously considering trading Hwasin for Nada, but that fact, along with one of Nada's games being played on Battle Royal made me think otherwise. Honestly though, i'm still 50/50 on trading Hwasin for Nada, Hwasin's been playing like ass lately.
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I have the problem with Hwasin, he looked as the easiest pick for 3 points, but he wasnt doing that well, and this week he will have 2 matches in his worst mu, though my only option is Nada and FBH, well mostly just Nada
what do you think about Hwasin for Nada?
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On April 23 2009 21:43 Geo.Rion wrote:
I have the problem with Hwasin, he looked as the easiest pick for 3 points, but he wasnt doing that well, and this week he will have 2 matches in his worst mu, though my only option is Nada and FBH, well mostly just Nada
what do you think about Hwasin for Nada?
To tell you the truth, i'm sleeping on it. Hwasin has been slumping for a while, and his next games are against free and Horang2. Statistically, Hwasin is down 0-2 to free, AND protoss is his worst matchup. So that doesn't look too good.
Nada like I said earlier, is being sent out 4th on possible 3-0 matches. His 2nd game is also on Battle Royal, which makes it look equally as bad as Hwasin's week.
I'm waiting til tomorrow before I do anything. Though I really am leaning toward making the trade.
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i looked deeper into the rosters, and found out that Tempest will suck this week also (sen out only once, against Leta) I have to trade him away, Violet seems to be the more reliable, so i dont think KTF will be using Temp in the future enough. And i can get Backho, who looks like took his position back, as the "ace" toss of Hwaseung, being sent out 2/2 this week, and pushing Bisu to his limits (ok i dont want to say he failed terribly, and i want to kill hi for that, LastRomatic didn't aprreciated it)
Stork isnt the best possible player right now in FPL, but i have to keep him, trading him away is too risky
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I said it once and i'll say it again. If any non-zerg can take a game on Battle Royal, its Genius fucking Terran.
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On April 23 2009 22:17 DoX.) wrote:
I said it once and i'll say it again. If any non-zerg can take a game on Battle Royal, its Genius fucking Terran.
Froezan isn't playing
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On April 23 2009 18:37 Velr wrote:
Horang2 against Flash and Hwasin... does not look too good.
my guess is that he is going to DT rush one of them and get away with it.
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Is there a reason I can only trade Stork for protoss players? ~_~
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You have to have at least one protoss player.
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hahaha fuck i need to trade stork too...
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oh god i traded stork for FBH, im going to hell :[
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I think I found a bug. I was refreshing the page right after making a trade and my trades left started going negative while my trade tax kept going up. I am now at 15 trade tax, which clearly isn't possible at this point.
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Gawd. you always break everything.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
I broke it too but neverr saw abydos to tell him.
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I kept on undoing and redoing my trades with Stork. I can't take it anymore, I'm just trading Hoejja for Stork and getting it all over with. Screw what happens next.
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On April 23 2009 22:38 bugus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 18:37 Velr wrote:
Horang2 against Flash and Hwasin... does not look too good.
my guess is that he is going to DT rush one of them and get away with it.
Yes...
But Flash *should* win against Horang2 and Hwasin fo rsure is capable of beating him when he hasn't an off day again. Taking Horang2 this week is a pretty big gamble...
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On April 24 2009 05:18 LTT wrote:I think I found a bug. I was refreshing the page right after making a trade and my trades left started going negative while my trade tax kept going up. I am now at 15 trade tax, which clearly isn't possible at this point.
Lol, so of all the error checking I put in to prevent this happening I forgot to check if the player you're trying to trade away is actually on your team (doh!). Also, its probably not a good idea to refresh after making trades since its going to try and resend the trade (why do you need to refresh it anyways?) -- if you really need to refresh it put your cursor in the address bar and hit enter instead of refresh.
I'll fix teams that have an incorrect trade tax as a result. If you had this problem or encounter any other problem just pm me.
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Would it be possible create something like an upcoming schedule of games for you players as one of the tabs?
I think that would be pretty convinient
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On April 24 2009 09:07 SonuvBob wrote:Gawd. you always break everything.
Yeah... I wasn't even trying this time though! I thought about testing the trade window by saving form information and passing it while the window was closed but I wasn't sure how messy the cleanup would be for you guys so I didn't bother. I ended up creating a mess anyway. -_-
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On April 25 2009 02:30 LTT wrote:Yeah... I wasn't even trying this time though! I thought about testing the trade window by saving form information and passing it while the window was closed but I wasn't sure how messy the cleanup would be for you guys so I didn't bother. I ended up creating a mess anyway. -_-
Well thanks for at least not trying to break it on purpose; as it is I was checking to make sure the form data is all valid to prevent that -- except for, apparently, if you actually have the player you're trying to trade away on your team.
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On April 25 2009 02:20 sixghost wrote:
Would it be possible create something like an upcoming schedule of games for you players as one of the tabs?
I think that would be pretty convinient
Good suggestion, I'll see what I can do.
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On April 25 2009 08:06 Lemonwalrus wrote:I traded Anytime for SangHo...did I do bad?
it's sorta like trading a dead cat for a dead dog IMO
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I think SangHo is a weird choice with Movie, Guemchi, Pure and Reach avail
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On April 25 2009 10:25 pachi wrote:
I think SangHo is a weird choice with Movie, Guemchi, Pure and Reach avail
Movie is playing so little this season
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Thats because CJ is playing little, CJ players are getting Team Wins at least.
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On April 25 2009 12:10 pachi wrote:
Thats because CJ is playing little, CJ players are getting Team Wins at least.
Just remember trading is based on adjusted trade value which is trade value * # of games left; so players with more games left are going to cost more to trade for. This is to counteract the variance in distribution of games for each team.
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Looking at just this week is how I made the choice. (A strategy I am trying, I'm completely open to the possibility that it might suck.)
Basically Anytime was the only Toss on my team, so I needed to trade him for another Toss if I traded him at all.
I expect Anytime to lose the one game he had this week, and for his team to lose, so I expected to gain 0 points for owning Anytime.
Thus, I needed to find the highest point gain of Tosses that I could afford. (Of course this is all based on what I expect to be the results of this weeks matches, but that is kinda the point of fantasy PL, so w/e.)
Expected Results:
Of tosses playing this week, I can't afford Kal, JangBi, Bisu, BeSt, Much or free.
Of tosses playing this week that I can afford, I expect these results:
Horang2: + Show Spoiler +Loss to Flash, no team point due to loss to KTF, Loss to Hwasin, but Team win point for beating STX, so
Tempest: + Show Spoiler +Loss to Leta, Team win point for beating Hite, Team win point for beating Woongjin, so
Rock: + Show Spoiler +Loss to HiyA, no Team point for loss to Hwaesung, Team win point for win against KHAN, so
BackHo: + Show Spoiler +Loss to NaDa, Team win point for beating WeMade, Loss to UpMaGiC, Team win point for beating eSTRO, so
SangHo: + Show Spoiler +Win against great, Team win point for beating KHAN, Win against Killer, no Team win point for loss to Hwaesung, so
Reach: + Show Spoiler +Loss to Bisu, no Team point for loss to SKT1, so
Jaehoon: + Show Spoiler +Loss to sKyHigh, no Team win point for loss to CJ, so
GuemChi: + Show Spoiler +No Team win point for loss to STX, Loss to Violet, no Team win point for loss to KTF, so
Violet: + Show Spoiler +Team win point for beating Hite, Win against GuemChi, Team win point for beating Woongjin, so
Pure: + Show Spoiler +No Team win point for loss to Hwaesung, Win against FBH, Team win point for win against KHAN, so
So basically (And I just realized I didn't take streaks into account, but I think if my predictions hold that will be one extra point for both SangHo and Violet) the choice was between SangHo and Violet, and tbh I just see SangHo in more Ace matches, and I am losing faith in KTF (and I already have fOrGG and Luxury, so I would rather not have more of their players when the start to tank) as it is, so I went with SangHo. Feel free to tear apart my decisions, just thought some of you might be interested in seeing my thought process. (I labored over this for a good portion of today, so I will be really sad when this all crumbles around me. )
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Got Hoejja, Luxury, Leta, and by.hero on my team.
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On April 25 2009 14:45 SonuvBob wrote:Got Hoejja, Luxury, Leta, and by.hero on my team.
Damn, I thought I had it bad with Luxury, Kal and by.hero...
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The Yarnc/Calm duo is coming through strong for me so far, the rest of the team doesn't matter too much (although BeSt is nice to have). I'm stuck with fbh though as captain, I thought he'd be back to winning and he... isn't.
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Well I have Hoejja on my team. Hwasin and Zero on my antiteam. Kill me now.
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Baa?21242 Posts
by.hero, Luxury, and STX. Blargh.
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fuck couldve been at 1st if i didnt trade
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On April 25 2009 15:49 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
fuck couldve been at 1st if i didnt trade
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lets sum up
Sold tempest befor he took down leta-> fail
luxury losing to his bro, not even briging teamwinpoint -> fail
having piano on antiteam, and hero on mainteam -> epic fail
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Having so many Stars on my team really shows when I shoot up the standings (+351 today) after a good day, and then slowly start going back down again.
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On April 25 2009 16:06 Jaksiel wrote:
Having so many Stars on my team really shows when I shoot up the standings (+351 today) after a good day, and then slowly start going back down again.
Just like me and Hite. So I might as well enjoy this quick first place while it lasts (and hopefully skyrocket high enough near the end to where I can't be touched)!
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So close to whiffing completely tonight. I had HoeJJa, Luxury, Leta, Horang2, Hwasin, and KTF on my team and thought I would get a decent amount of points..
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to anyone that traded. take comfort in the fact that you werent
half as retarded as me.
i am the king of stupid.
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It appears that the trade gain section doesn't handle the situation where you trade for a player and then trade him away.
Wk ▼Traded Acquired Pt ±
1 SangHo PianO -3
2 PianO Canata +3
Sub-Total: 0
SangHo for Piano was a positive trade last week but is now showing up as negative because Piano won, even though he's no longer on my anti-team.
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dohhhh
I have the 2nd highest scoring team (admittedly with a lot of STX - WOONGJIN) but a horrrrrible
anti-team : (
why does thezerg suddenly have to start winning
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On April 25 2009 16:36 ShloobeR wrote:
dohhhh
I have the 2nd highest scoring team (admittedly with a lot of STX - WOONGJIN) but a horrrrrible
anti-team : (
why does thezerg suddenly have to start winning
I think the real question is why did you pick a player who's guaranteed to play every single time his team does?
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I dunno, I've got hyvaa on my anti-team...
...oh wait, he's played three times and hurt me exactly the same as oov, who doesn't play at all. And this was predictable.
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Dropped 91 places .
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For a moment it looked like KTFail would lose 3-0 and that Flash wouldn't play. Too bad he wasn't sent for the ACE match instead of...forgg..
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GREAT GREAT GZ GZ FOR ABYDOS1 for being one of 3 people that traded Zero off this week. Well done! (I'm not mentioning 10 people who bought him for their anti team, since they don't display properly ).
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On April 25 2009 16:32 ShadowDrgn wrote:It appears that the trade gain section doesn't handle the situation where you trade for a player and then trade him away. Wk ▼Traded Acquired Pt ± 1 SangHo PianO -3 2 PianO Canata +3 Sub-Total: 0 SangHo for Piano was a positive trade last week but is now showing up as negative because Piano won, even though he's no longer on my anti-team.
Just add them together, the SangHo >>> PianO >>> Canata trade is a 0 point gain.
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I lost my spot in last place.
I'm so emo right now.
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On April 26 2009 02:39 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2009 16:32 ShadowDrgn wrote:It appears that the trade gain section doesn't handle the situation where you trade for a player and then trade him away. Wk ▼Traded Acquired Pt ± 1 SangHo PianO -3 2 PianO Canata +3 Sub-Total: 0 SangHo for Piano was a positive trade last week but is now showing up as negative because Piano won, even though he's no longer on my anti-team. Just add them together, the SangHo >>> PianO >>> Canata trade is a 0 point gain.
But it's not a 0 point gain.
SangHo >>> PianO was a 1 point net gain because SangHo scored 3 in week 2 and PianO scored 1.
PianO >>> Canata is so far a 3 point net gain because PianO got 4 and Canata still has 0.
These should total to a 4 point gain, not 0.
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On April 26 2009 03:16 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 02:39 Abydos1 wrote:On April 25 2009 16:32 ShadowDrgn wrote:It appears that the trade gain section doesn't handle the situation where you trade for a player and then trade him away. Wk ▼Traded Acquired Pt ± 1 SangHo PianO -3 2 PianO Canata +3 Sub-Total: 0 SangHo for Piano was a positive trade last week but is now showing up as negative because Piano won, even though he's no longer on my anti-team. Just add them together, the SangHo >>> PianO >>> Canata trade is a 0 point gain. But it's not a 0 point gain. SangHo >>> PianO was a 1 point net gain because SangHo scored 3 in week 2 and PianO scored 1. PianO >>> Canata is so far a 3 point net gain because PianO got 4 and Canata still has 0. These should total to a 4 point gain, not 0.
If you look at this long term though, if you had just stuck with SangHo you'd have -3 points from weeks 2 & 3; the SangHo >>> PianO trade only would have you at -5 points (-1 from the trade); the full trade of SangHo >>> PianO >>> Canata puts you at -3 points (-2 from the two trades). Thus, the whole series of trades there is a net of 0 points compared to if you had just kept SangHo on your team and never made the two trades.
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All right, I see how that works.
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United States10328 Posts
+270 places? :D :D I am very happy. Zero, Flash, Horang2, Tempest wooo~
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Oh wow, my analysis from 2 pages ago was made when I thought game wins were 1 point, not 2.
, I fail.
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omg im so bad.
304 was my highest. im done.
im going to try to trade for piano back, but after that, im just gonna roll.
my team folded.
its a great system though, dont get me wrong. im just a damn fool.
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oh.my. god. i fell 400 places.
i have less points. really, its kinna funny.
im down there with people who made teams that are obviously just jokes.
if i hadnt traded, id be fine. let this be a lesson.
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today isnt great either
Really, my failteam's "ace" won in his worst mu against the "best" PvT...
Stork didnt get to the ace match, beacause hyvaa decided to not kill dropships, and other stuff
at least JD won
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For the record, recently Really's TvZ has been his worst matchup.
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Yeah, Really was doing so great on the anti-team ti'll today, courtesy JangBi.
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nice that I've traded KTF for Lecaf. I was gonna make that trade even if I knew Lecaf was goin to lose (because I`m a fanboy).
Also hyvaa on the anti-team is a great choice thus far.
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I still hate fbh, but i got points!!
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On April 26 2009 16:53 Jaeden wrote:
nice that I've traded KTF for Lecaf.
I basically cleansed KTF from my fantasy team, I traded KTF for Lecaf and ForGG got kicked out too. +200 places for that isn't bad but I'm not at my peak. :/
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If it wasn't for really I'd be tied for first :|
edit : nm samurai has jangbi, I'd be 2nd then.
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On April 26 2009 16:53 Jaeden wrote:
nice that I've traded KTF for Lecaf. I was gonna make that trade even if I knew Lecaf was goin to lose (because I`m a fanboy).
Also hyvaa on the anti-team is a great choice thus far.
oh props to you, i just cannot trade CJ away they are doing too well, and at the beginning OZ cost too much to pick it
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On April 26 2009 19:39 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 16:53 Jaeden wrote:
nice that I've traded KTF for Lecaf. I was gonna make that trade even if I knew Lecaf was goin to lose (because I`m a fanboy).
Also hyvaa on the anti-team is a great choice thus far. oh props to you, i just cannot trade CJ away they are doing too well, and at the beginning OZ cost too much to pick it
^^ KTF != CJ, so it's ok.
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543 places up the standings ^_^
Biggest gainer so far~
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Is there a statistic listing the teams and the number of people who chose them for their fantasy team?
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On April 27 2009 01:39 Apex wrote:
543 places up the standings ^_^
Biggest gainer so far~
Is it just me and my maths failing but do your points not add up correctly? Like way out infact
Your detailed view has the correct points won at 53 but for some reason your rank and basic view has 69 points won.
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oh noes, CJ let me down
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On April 27 2009 21:10 blapsd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 01:39 Apex wrote:
543 places up the standings ^_^
Biggest gainer so far~ Is it just me and my maths failing but do your points not add up correctly? Like way out infact Your detailed view has the correct points won at 53 but for some reason your rank and basic view has 69 points won.
Yeah it doesn't add up. He has gained 53 points, lost 3 due to trading fee, and lost 10 on his anti-team. Should be 40, not 50 I think.
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On April 27 2009 21:58 3 Lions wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 21:10 blapsd wrote:On April 27 2009 01:39 Apex wrote:
543 places up the standings ^_^
Biggest gainer so far~ Is it just me and my maths failing but do your points not add up correctly? Like way out infact Your detailed view has the correct points won at 53 but for some reason your rank and basic view has 69 points won. Yeah it doesn't add up. He has gained 53 points, lost 3 due to trading fee, and lost 10 on his anti-team. Should be 40, not 50 I think.
should be 34 actually, he has -16 on his antiteam (including yellow[arnc] who he traded later)
and sorry apex, didnt want to rain on your parade!
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Actually, it's been bugging me for a while: is there a 'perfect team' thing this season? I didn't notice it anywhere.
Yay I'm glad i sticked with Sea since the beginning instead of trading him for some noname nub :D
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On April 28 2009 02:58 Jaeden wrote:
omg what ?! skt #1 :O
hahaha the random SK Telecom team I made for fun is #1, that's funny
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On April 28 2009 03:54 Hot_Bid wrote:hahaha the random SK Telecom team I made for fun is #1, that's funny
you should trade hyuk for best >.>
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On April 28 2009 04:04 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 03:54 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 28 2009 02:58 Jaeden wrote:
omg what ?! skt #1 :O hahaha the random SK Telecom team I made for fun is #1, that's funny you should trade hyuk for best >.>
I should also trade Canata for Flash and Boxer for Jaedong.
>.>
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wow SKT is so imba, teams with many SKT players have really great trade options
edit: oops ignore the second part of my original post
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yeah i can just ignore all the rules for trading
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oh yeah oops I forgot
nah you can clearly ignore rules (or you should totally uh trade 2 players for 1 that would be cool)
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I knew that I should grab Jaehoon and get rid of Pusan... but Jaehoon was a guaranteed loss this week, right? I fail...
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NOTE: scores right now aren't including the -4 for Leta's forfeit.
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On April 28 2009 20:24 Abydos1 wrote:
NOTE: scores right now aren't including the -4 for Leta's forfeit.
That -4 points is a total game-breaker.
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they will? i could understand if leta does not get -4, but only 0 for a loss since kespa´s decision was stupid.
ps: i do not have leta in my team ^^
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-4 for leta's forfeit?
Kespa costed leta's owners 8 points if he played and won against kal and ace, but instead we ll get punished because his monitor didnt work and couldnt write properly?
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retarded or not, it was a rule that got passed and was not contested up until tonight so Leta's DQ is legit. (Before this I always wondered why there was even a scoring penalty for DQ since I don't know why a player would get DQ'd )
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On April 28 2009 20:38 Samurai- wrote:
-4 for leta's forfeit?
Kespa costed leta's owners 8 points if he played and won against kal and ace, but instead we ll get punished because his monitor didnt work and couldnt write properly?
If he won, if he played ace, if he won ace...
That is assuming a lot. yes I know Leta plays most aces for Sparkyz, but still.
The Fantasy scoring rules clearly state the -4 for DQ, arbitrarily deciding not to go through with this would be at least as stupid as what KeSPA did.
Yes, it's tough luck for Leta owners, but it's the proper course of action. KeSPA determines the official result of a game, that's just how it is.
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On April 28 2009 20:50 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2009 20:38 Samurai- wrote:
-4 for leta's forfeit?
Kespa costed leta's owners 8 points if he played and won against kal and ace, but instead we ll get punished because his monitor didnt work and couldnt write properly? If he won, if he played ace, if he won ace... That is assuming a lot. yes I know Leta plays most aces for Sparkyz, but still. The Fantasy scoring rules clearly state the -4 for DQ, arbitrarily deciding not to go through with this would be at least as stupid as what KeSPA did. Yes, it's tough luck for Leta owners, but it's the proper course of action. KeSPA determines the official result of a game, that's just how it is.
You could make a poll of this decision.
Even if a decision taken between the mods of FPL is probably a better option ^^
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#11 sweet
or #5 or something in case Leta gets -4
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Dq... way to ruin fantasy for some people
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I'm kind of curious, why is Kal's trade value (and my other players value) gradually going down despite them winning?
Actually all of my players values for the most part were way above 30.0 and a few were above 40.0 and as soon as I traded Zero for effort they all dropped down massively.
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On April 28 2009 21:38 Pioneer wrote:
I'm kind of curious, why is Kal's trade value (and my other players value) gradually going down despite them winning?
Actually all of my players values for the most part were way above 30.0 and a few were above 40.0 and as soon as I traded Zero for effort they all dropped down massively.
You're looking at their adjusted trade value which is trade value * games left; this is to account for differences in schedule. If you look at the stats page Kal's trade value is 5.77 compared to his original cost of 5 so it has gone up.
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Oh, so when I'm able to trade again it will show their actual trade value?
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On April 28 2009 21:59 Pioneer wrote:
Oh, so when I'm able to trade again it will show their actual trade value?
The trade page displays adusted trade value, the stats page shows trade value.
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A bit lol that three teams with half the cost are owning the top 5 players.
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is there a use to 'trade value' then if adjusted trade value is used for trading? it's a pretty hardcore stat might only be confusing to keep it there
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I don't think that the "points gained from trades" is calculated corectly. My team for example.
I started with HoOny on my team. After week one I traded him for Modesty. From that trade I gained 1 point. Next week I traded Modesty for by.hero. Now Modesty won and gained 4 points.
In my "Trades Made" section It says HoOny -> Modesty + 4. But like I sad, I'm + 1 from that trade, cause I traded him away. So I should be +6, not +9.
If I'm not missing something.
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Im a fucking idiot and put ZerO on my anti-team... I can trade him for Bisu or Leta, so yeah, fuck me season 4, no point in even trying now.... T_T
Edit: I also noticed that I have -9 for shine[kal], but other people who have him have -0, is this because they traded him in after he won several games?
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Can someone verify Letas points?
editing as I count them
Leta HIT
total points 21
Lineup points 7
wins 5
losses 2
Ace wins 2
Ace appearences 2
ace losses 0
Streak 1
Break 0
Team win 3
7 + 10 - 2 + 4 + 4 + 1 + 3 = 27
DQ -4
is this counted hidden and added to losses?
1 point off from lineup appearance
1 point losing game
4 points DQ
21 points
I don't know am I right ?
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On April 29 2009 06:45 sashkata wrote:
I don't think that the "points gained from trades" is calculated corectly. My team for example.
I started with HoOny on my team. After week one I traded him for Modesty. From that trade I gained 1 point. Next week I traded Modesty for by.hero. Now Modesty won and gained 4 points.
In my "Trades Made" section It says HoOny -> Modesty + 4. But like I sad, I'm + 1 from that trade, cause I traded him away. So I should be +6, not +9.
If I'm not missing something.
See the previous discussion:
On April 26 2009 03:16 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 02:39 Abydos1 wrote:On April 25 2009 16:32 ShadowDrgn wrote:It appears that the trade gain section doesn't handle the situation where you trade for a player and then trade him away. Wk ▼Traded Acquired Pt ± 1 SangHo PianO -3 2 PianO Canata +3 Sub-Total: 0 SangHo for Piano was a positive trade last week but is now showing up as negative because Piano won, even though he's no longer on my anti-team. Just add them together, the SangHo >>> PianO >>> Canata trade is a 0 point gain. But it's not a 0 point gain. SangHo >>> PianO was a 1 point net gain because SangHo scored 3 in week 2 and PianO scored 1. PianO >>> Canata is so far a 3 point net gain because PianO got 4 and Canata still has 0. These should total to a 4 point gain, not 0.
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UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.
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Btw what is your source to get information who is on A team or B team? Scforall?
Another question about trade values. Will those trade values be 5th seasons new value (rounded up or down)?
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So what would happen if from my team 3 players would move to B team? I could trade for free to get replacements? What if my captain is dropped to B team?
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Leta:
5 LA: 5
5 Wins: 10
2 Losses: -2
2 Ace Appearances: 4
1 Streak point: 1
3 Team Wins: 3
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Total: 21
Note that the 7 lineups displayed on the stats include the two ace matches (5 LA, 2 ace)
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 07:56 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
So what would happen if from my team 3 players would move to B team? I could trade for free to get replacements? What if my captain is dropped to B team?
You don't get free trades, try to pick players that aren't in danger of going to B team this round. Conversely, try to pick anti-team players that might go to B team. If your captain drops to B team, sucks for you.
On April 29 2009 07:51 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Another question about trade values. Will those trade values be 5th seasons new value (rounded up or down)?
Yes, the prices for next round will probably be very close to what the final trade values (not adjusted) are for each player.
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On April 29 2009 00:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
is there a use to 'trade value' then if adjusted trade value is used for trading? it's a pretty hardcore stat might only be confusing to keep it there
Trade value is useful for comparing players and for direct comparison with their original cost.
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just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts?
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On April 29 2009 09:43 fusionsdf wrote:
just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts?
Forfeits are just treated as losses.
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Predicting letas forfeit was part of the reason for not choosing him on my team. I'm v. unhappy
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On April 29 2009 10:04 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 09:43 fusionsdf wrote:
just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts? Forfeits are just treated as losses.
Good to hear.
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On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.
I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo.
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i surprise myself at fantasy league o.O
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 13:39 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo.
You are saying that the -4 DQ rule is stupid, but because it matters, we should count it? Shouldn't we actually do the opposite and NOT compound the mistake by counting the -4? You are basically saying that because this DQ happened, we should maximize the impact this random rule has on our fantasy standings? That makes no sense.
Also, if "nobody can expect it in any way" then doesn't that mean we shouldn't count it because its almost impossible to predict? I don't understand why you want it counted.
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On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.
This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?
I think it's a great decision. The initial -4 ruling is wholly improper, despite your ridiculous hypothetical.
KeSPA's ruling vs Leta was clearly inappropriate, and I think we can agree it's frustrating to have a referee adhere to a strict, letter-bound interpretation of the rules that so clearly flies directly in the face of it's spirit, totally devoid of any room for context. Why should we advocate the opposite here, where admins would apply an inflexible, nonsensical rule simply because the letter of the rule states it, in clear violation of the spirit of fantasy proleague.
Fantasy PL at TL is still taking shape, and as such the rules should be dynamic and organic, reflecting changes for the better through-out the season, not carved in stone. It's ludicrous to sabotage the chances of Leta owners over such an arbitrary, inconceivable event.
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Braavos36374 Posts
A lot of rules we tweaked to make it more fair. We didn't have a -1 point trade tax at the onset of the league either, and we added that in. Do the people wanting us to add in the -4 DQ rule also want all the trade taxes removed because they weren't explicitly stated in the first iteration of the rules?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
This is a bad decision and very unprofessional.
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You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand.
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Okay then:
- TeamLiquid reserves the right to change any rule at any time for anything
- This includes going back in time and amending FPL R4 Player Scoring to exclude DQ penalty
- TeamLiquid also reserves the right to do anything about anything
Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy?
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On April 29 2009 16:37 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
This is a bad decision and very unprofessional.
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You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand.
... Okay then: - TeamLiquid reserves the right to change any rule at any time for anything
- This includes going back in time and amending FPL R4 Player Scoring to exclude DQ penalty
- TeamLiquid also reserves the right to do anything about anything
Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy?
In a surprising turn of events, HotBid is now the winner of R2 & R3
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Braavos36374 Posts
Phew, I'm glad those rules are finally stated, because now nobody can complain about anything we do at TeamLiquid, we can just go back in time and change anything that happened. It's in the rules!
First few things I'm going to do with my newfound abilities as granted by the above rules:
- PuertorRican has never officially existed as a TeamLiquid Staff Member
- Manifesto7 never intended to start TLT with Tiger
- All event start times are amended to add 15 minutes
- HotBid's Liquibet vote for the kOs vs F91 Liquibition is changed to be correct
- Scorch's post is amended to read: "I agree with this decision, it's consistent with the rules."
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Make it that Savior won Gom MSL please.
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you're making jokes to cover your mistake... - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started..
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 16:53 bugus wrote:you're making jokes to cover your mistake... - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started..
nowhere have we said that everything is 100% written in stone and unchangeable. would you still think it's a mistake if we had a rule in FPL that stated "Admins reserve the right to remove unfair DQ penalties"? Because I don't think we need to outright say that - it's common sense and accepted that when a rule is stupid and unfair, we don't follow it. we aren't kespa.
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On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?
You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have.
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On April 29 2009 17:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo? You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have.
Finally some common sense... I am kind of surprised to see all the bitching about KESPA blindly applying rules and at the same time people asking TL to do the same...
As Liquid'Nazgul pointed out, if we can find ways to improve the system, let's do it!
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If you guys never expected disqualifications to happen, why did you implement a rule for them? And now that you have the rule, why don't you follow it? This is a site dedicated to professional Starcraft gaming, and as such, Kespa's word should count for something. Or at least your own word when you created the rules.
Well let's just leave it at that. There is no perfect solution to such matters I guess, screwing all Leta owners over wouldn't be any better.
PS: Hot_Bid is a dirty cheater and should be penalized with -4 points -0 points
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On April 29 2009 14:59 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 13:39 Malongo wrote:On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo. You are saying that the -4 DQ rule is stupid, but because it matters, we should count it? Shouldn't we actually do the opposite and NOT compound the mistake by counting the -4? You are basically saying that because this DQ happened, we should maximize the impact this random rule has on our fantasy standings? That makes no sense. Also, if "nobody can expect it in any way" then doesn't that mean we shouldn't count it because its almost impossible to predict? I don't understand why you want it counted.
- Thats what im saying: it is a stupid rule, but it is a rule afterall and not a rule that needs a referee to apply or decide about it, it is a direct scoring rule. If I remember well that rule was put there by semioldguy and never reviewed until now that is important because it impacts the game. While I understand (and agree) this rule was a mistake, the appropiate way to fix it is, in my opinion, to remove it from now on (that is assigning -4 to leta) or not to remove it this round. Not to remove it and make like it never happened or the rule never existed.
- My opinion is based in the fact that, the only justification and explanation the moderators of the game give to this "change of rules" is that "it is a random rule", that is, the expectation of the outcome in the point system due to this rule is not accurately defined. This is a very bad base to change this rule, since all the game is based in a random events (namely the results in a set of starcraft games). You coudnt predict who was going to be DQ, as you cant predict who will score more points, but thats the base of the game. By removing this rule and the effect that "already took place" you are indeed changing the fairness of the game, you are giving a group of players (a minority) an unfair advantage. Dont dodge this.
- You suggested that the game rules where indeed changed before, but lets be serious: everyone that participates in the game knew the changes (tax trade and scoring system) before the game started, and the changes apply to all players equally. That obviously means those changes cant be unfair at all.
- My last point supporting my opinion in this matter is equally important but a little more subtle: I really think the way Leta was DQ has a big impact in this decision. Should have being Leta DQ after a very bad mannered celebration after the game (so making the general opinion about the DQ a fair decision) the outcome in this game could have been different. However by removing the rule and not appling the -4 to Leta you are not only removing the rule, but also judging the DQ and the referee himself, a fact that is not related to this game at all.
- I understand that you are a TL moderator, and that you like to joke about things like this (im pointing to the timetravel post). However joking doesnt constitute a valid form of explanation for this case, I took a lot of time to make my team and id like some respect from the people that run the game, that means that if a rule is changed and i feel this is unfair id like at least to understand the explanation. Maybe im not able to understand the explanation on how this was handled (note that I understand why the rule is removed, but not why Leta doesnt get -4). If your explanation is simply: I do whatever I want and I dont have to answer or debate with anyone, then its ok just state it. But take in mind that by running this game for fun the competitiveness of the game is one of the main points. If this game were "choose your players" without rules, point system/value and all the other rules that matter in it, the level of participation would be seriously diminished. Im convinced that part of the fun is based in the competition and that can only be achieved with fair play.
@Liquid`Nazgul:
- Your post isnt a reply to me but i think this applies to me as well. Yes, I can see clearly that im acting in some way like the kespppa referee. Unfortunately, im a player in this game, not a referee, im not judging how to apply a rule nor appling it, im asking for the game to be fair. Im not saying the rule shouldnt be removed (read above) but basically that the change cant be retroactive. My last word to you is that Leta was indeed DQ and until now the bad decision of the referee hasnt been reverted.
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On April 29 2009 18:52 Malongo wrote:
im asking for the game to be fair.
That is the whole point. If Leta had been DQ for a valuable reason, no questions would be asked.
The majority of the Starcraft community is raging against a decision made by the Kespa referee who was blindly "following the rule" (for it to be fair to all players). They think it is unfair for Leta to have been DQ. How would it be fair for the players having him in their team to lose points on a decision said to be unfair?
They (I don't have him in my team) already lost a possibility to win 2 points since the game vs Kal was not in the favor of anyone when the incident happened, is it really worth going further?
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my team fails too hard, everyone loosing in their best MU, CJ losing to MBC, what will come next time?
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God damn! My Samsung-heavy anti-team has failed me
-36 is very bad
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 18:52 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 14:59 Hot_Bid wrote:On April 29 2009 13:39 Malongo wrote:On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring. I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo. You are saying that the -4 DQ rule is stupid, but because it matters, we should count it? Shouldn't we actually do the opposite and NOT compound the mistake by counting the -4? You are basically saying that because this DQ happened, we should maximize the impact this random rule has on our fantasy standings? That makes no sense. Also, if "nobody can expect it in any way" then doesn't that mean we shouldn't count it because its almost impossible to predict? I don't understand why you want it counted. - Thats what im saying: it is a stupid rule, but it is a rule afterall and not a rule that needs a referee to apply or decide about it, it is a direct scoring rule. If I remember well that rule was put there by semioldguy and never reviewed until now that is important because it impacts the game. While I understand (and agree) this rule was a mistake, the appropiate way to fix it is, in my opinion, to remove it from now on (that is assigning -4 to leta) or not to remove it this round. Not to remove it and make like it never happened or the rule never existed. - My opinion is based in the fact that, the only justification and explanation the moderators of the game give to this "change of rules" is that "it is a random rule", that is, the expectation of the outcome in the point system due to this rule is not accurately defined. This is a very bad base to change this rule, since all the game is based in a random events (namely the results in a set of starcraft games). You coudnt predict who was going to be DQ, as you cant predict who will score more points, but thats the base of the game. By removing this rule and the effect that "already took place" you are indeed changing the fairness of the game, you are giving a group of players (a minority) an unfair advantage. Dont dodge this.
The game is NOT meant to be based on entirely random events, otherwise we'd just play fantasy dice. Obviously the entire point of the game is to predict which players do better than other players. Wins, streaks, team wins, etc. are thus all "predictable" (even though people do a very bad job at predicting them). Who wears hats, how many times people yawn, who gets the left and right booth, how many times they blink, and number of disqualifications are "more random" than the first set of scoring stats. Our goal is to ultimately make fantasy SC a "game of skill" while still keeping it fun and accessible to the casual user. That means eliminating truly random events like disqualifications to emphasize "good" predictable events like wins. If you look at the "misc" tab, the "Former Top 10" group is #1, which means that there are people who are consistently good at fantasy. "All the game" isn't based on random events like you said.
We aren't giving anyone an unfair advantage because the rule was unfair in the first place. If there was a rule that banned black people from voting, then the rule was removed, would you say that you are giving black people an unfair advantage? No, because removing the rule made the playing field fair. Your argument means that removing any rule that affects people is giving someone an unfair advantage. This is just wrong. Sure we're giving owners who have their players DQ'd an advantage. We give owners whose players win an advantage. We give owners whose players are in lineups a lot an advantage. But none of these advantages are unfair.
- You suggested that the game rules where indeed changed before, but lets be serious: everyone that participates in the game knew the changes (tax trade and scoring system) before the game started, and the changes apply to all players equally. That obviously means those changes cant be unfair at all.
Rules can be unfair if people know about them. Are you saying that the only thing that separates a fair rule and an unfair rule is notice to the participants? If we made a rule saying "people named Malongo start with -50 points" and you knew this before playing, that would make the rule fair? Of course not. The DQ -4 rule was a mistake on our part, and its effects are clearly unfair. The fact that it existed before the game started doesn't change this at all.
- My last point supporting my opinion in this matter is equally important but a little more subtle: I really think the way Leta was DQ has a big impact in this decision. Should have being Leta DQ after a very bad mannered celebration after the game (so making the general opinion about the DQ a fair decision) the outcome in this game could have been different. However by removing the rule and not appling the -4 to Leta you are not only removing the rule, but also judging the DQ and the referee himself, a fact that is not related to this game at all.
This is true, and it supports our decision in this specific case. Even if he was DQ'd for bad manner we probably still would have removed the rule. For FPL, the player is already penalized enough by getting a loss instead of a win.
- I understand that you are a TL moderator, and that you like to joke about things like this (im pointing to the timetravel post). However joking doesnt constitute a valid form of explanation for this case, I took a lot of time to make my team and id like some respect from the people that run the game, that means that if a rule is changed and i feel this is unfair id like at least to understand the explanation. Maybe im not able to understand the explanation on how this was handled (note that I understand why the rule is removed, but not why Leta doesnt get -4). If your explanation is simply: I do whatever I want and I dont have to answer or debate with anyone, then its ok just state it. But take in mind that by running this game for fun the competitiveness of the game is one of the main points. If this game were "choose your players" without rules, point system/value and all the other rules that matter in it, the level of participation would be seriously diminished. Im convinced that part of the fun is based in the competition and that can only be achieved with fair play.
I don't understand how you can make the point that its "all random" and not based on skill and thus the DQ rule is not unfair, then go ahead and make this point too. Your arguments are entirely inconsistent. It's either a game based on skill and competition so we want to avoid huge point swings for random events like DQs, or its based on luck and we should put in +10 points for who guesses the number of times the camera cuts to mascots every match.
In fact, all the stuff you say about fair competition actually supports us removing this rule this time. It's pretty much accepted that the -4 DQ rule is unfair and not well thought out. We are removing it because of that. Nobody is arguing that the -4 DQ rule should stay, just that it should be applied this time because "we had it in the rules." This is a flawed argument, because we are trying to achieve the most fair result. It's not "we do whatever we want and don't answer or debate with anyone." However, let me make it clear to you that ultimately this is our game and we could just do that. I could simply call you an idiot and give all Leta owners +10 points, and you would be able to do nothing about it. But we're clearly working toward making fantasy fair and competitive. If you think keeping this rule this time makes this round's fantasy fair, you are simply wrong.
@Liquid`Nazgul:
- Your post isnt a reply to me but i think this applies to me as well. Yes, I can see clearly that im acting in some way like the kespppa referee. Unfortunately, im a player in this game, not a referee, im not judging how to apply a rule nor appling it, im asking for the game to be fair. Im not saying the rule shouldnt be removed (read above) but basically that the change cant be retroactive. My last word to you is that Leta was indeed DQ and until now the bad decision of the referee hasnt been reverted.
If the rule should be removed why can't it be retroactive? Especially if this is the first DQ that has happened. If we had a rule stating all players who clapped twice during the match gets +500 points (automatically winning them the season) are you saying we must keep this rule simply because we stated it? Again, just because we wrote the rule beforehand does not mean it is fair, and does not mean we have to abide by it. The fairest result here is to remove it.
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A rule being fair is not decided by its existence. That is mindless bureaucracy babbling. If that were the case each countries' laws were fair even though they differ all over the world. Be happy an unfair rule was removed and let that be it.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I think the intention of the DQ rule was more or less along the line of using an illegal bug/exploit in game or doing something clearly stupid like typing "rofl, you're so bad". The rule was never meant to encapsulate KeSPA being fuckheads
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 29 2009 21:04 Plexa wrote:
I think the intention of the DQ rule was more or less along the line of using an illegal bug/exploit in game or doing something clearly stupid like typing "rofl, you're so bad". The rule was never meant to encapsulate KeSPA being fuckheads
The -4 DQ rule is still very unfair even if its invoked by a bug or BM or something. We're removing it from all cases.
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On April 29 2009 18:52 Malongo wrote:
- My last point supporting my opinion in this matter is equally important but a little more subtle: I really think the way Leta was DQ has a big impact in this decision. Should have being Leta DQ after a very bad mannered celebration after the game (so making the general opinion about the DQ a fair decision) the outcome in this game could have been different. However by removing the rule and not appling the -4 to Leta you are not only removing the rule, but also judging the DQ and the referee himself, a fact that is not related to this game at all.
very good point indeed. This is my guess also, if the DQ was "fair" the -4 would have been given without any arguing.
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I think what HotBid et al are saying is that because the -4 is obviously ridiculous in this case (just like the KESPA DQ is obviously ridiculous) and FPL has no way to distinguish between reasonable and unreasonable DQs, it makes the most sense to just scrap the rule. Especially as this is the first case, so it's merely a question of changing one decision.
And admit it, no one expected Leta to be hit with one of these. You know the probable targets were BackHo and fbh, and we all know exactly why we would love to see either of those characters get with a DQ for bm. I would find it hilarious, even though I'm a fan of both (and both on my team).
In legal parlance, this would be called a test case. Hmm, you passed a (stupid?) law. Okay, first person/group arrested under the new law gets tried. Does it make sense to find them guilty? It only makes sense if what they did was both illegal and wrong. If it's just "illegal", change or repeal the law. It happens all the time in RL, I don't see the problem with it happening in FPL (which is, should I note, far less serious).
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the worst day ever
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Braavos36374 Posts
wow ph33r has a +29 trade gain holy crap
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On April 29 2009 16:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
A lot of rules we tweaked to make it more fair. We didn't have a -1 point trade tax at the onset of the league either, and we added that in. Do the people wanting us to add in the -4 DQ rule also want all the trade taxes removed because they weren't explicitly stated in the first iteration of the rules?
I wouldn't mind the removal of trade tax
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On April 30 2009 02:57 ph33r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2009 16:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
A lot of rules we tweaked to make it more fair. We didn't have a -1 point trade tax at the onset of the league either, and we added that in. Do the people wanting us to add in the -4 DQ rule also want all the trade taxes removed because they weren't explicitly stated in the first iteration of the rules? I wouldn't mind the removal of trade tax
Ph33r, you need a higher trade tax; flat tax was a bad idea...
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I sooo wish i would have another captain...
somehow rank 27 with Jaedong as chief anyway... Strange... Seems like nearly everyone gets screwed over this season ^^.
ah, ive got 3d *best* antiteam :D
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If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ?
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On April 29 2009 20:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
A big response to my post
Now that I read your response I can see and feel that we have a huge disparity in the understanding of some terms (randomness, rules and fairness). Then, without any intentions of going any further (because I still enjoy FPL the way it is atm and the site rules forbid me from keeping a longer argumentation with a staff member) I can only congratulate you and thank you for the work you do to keep this game running smoothly instead of call you idiot leaving this competition in anger, because your response has already taken care of my main interest for this case, wich is no other than understanding how the situation was handled and why the decision is not fair in my opinion (by understanding why it is fair and appropiate in your opinion). Thank you.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 30 2009 16:21 Malongo wrote:Now that I read your response I can see and feel that we have a huge disparity in the understanding of some terms (randomness, rules and fairness). Then, without any intentions of going any further (because I still enjoy FPL the way it is atm and the site rules forbid me from keeping a longer argumentation with a staff member) I can only congratulate you and thank you for the work you do to keep this game running smoothly instead of call you idiot leaving this competition in anger, because your response has already taken care of my main interest for this case, wich is no other than understanding how the situation was handled and why the decision is not fair in my opinion (by understanding why it is fair and appropiate in your opinion). Thank you.
There are no site rules forbidding arguing with a staff member. I agree with you that we could've handled the situation better presentation and justification wise, but ultimately I think we reached the best and fairest result.
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On April 30 2009 16:28 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 16:21 Malongo wrote:On April 29 2009 20:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
A big response to my post Now that I read your response I can see and feel that we have a huge disparity in the understanding of some terms (randomness, rules and fairness). Then, without any intentions of going any further (because I still enjoy FPL the way it is atm and the site rules forbid me from keeping a longer argumentation with a staff member) I can only congratulate you and thank you for the work you do to keep this game running smoothly instead of call you idiot leaving this competition in anger, because your response has already taken care of my main interest for this case, wich is no other than understanding how the situation was handled and why the decision is not fair in my opinion (by understanding why it is fair and appropiate in your opinion). Thank you. There are no site rules forbidding arguing with a staff member. I agree with you that we could've handled the situation better presentation and justification wise, but ultimately I think we reached the best and fairest result.
Unfortunately at this stage im unable to presentate the defense of my argument at its fullest too given my lack in the English language . However ill keep trying if I feel robbed again (obviously joking). To your favor I could add that I dont think it will impact the overall results in FPL, that nobody really believed that a DQ could occur in proleague (less the idiocity that happened) and that the rule itself is nonsense related to the skill of the players.
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On April 30 2009 15:58 raga4ka wrote:
If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ?
If Shuttle plays and loses he will have +1 for lineup -1 for a loss = 0
Since you paid -1 for the trade you can end with a final -1
If he wins you get +2 (-1 for the trade and +3 for his performance)
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On April 30 2009 19:06 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 15:58 raga4ka wrote:
If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ? If Shuttle plays and loses he will have +1 for lineup -1 for a loss = 0 Since you paid -1 for the trade you can end with a final -1 If he wins you get +2 (-1 for the trade and +3 for his performance)
Well if you trade and he loses he can still get ±0 (if STX wins match)
+1 lineup
-1 loss
+1 team win
-1 trade tax
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On April 30 2009 19:30 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 19:06 Beamo wrote:On April 30 2009 15:58 raga4ka wrote:
If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ? If Shuttle plays and loses he will have +1 for lineup -1 for a loss = 0 Since you paid -1 for the trade you can end with a final -1 If he wins you get +2 (-1 for the trade and +3 for his performance) Well if you trade and he loses he can still get ±0 (if STX wins match) +1 lineup -1 loss +1 team win -1 trade tax
No because by.hero is also in STX so doesn't make a difference
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On April 30 2009 21:22 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 19:30 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 30 2009 19:06 Beamo wrote:On April 30 2009 15:58 raga4ka wrote:
If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ? If Shuttle plays and loses he will have +1 for lineup -1 for a loss = 0 Since you paid -1 for the trade you can end with a final -1 If he wins you get +2 (-1 for the trade and +3 for his performance) Well if you trade and he loses he can still get ±0 (if STX wins match) +1 lineup -1 loss +1 team win -1 trade tax No because by.hero is also in STX so doesn't make a difference
what?
If you trade by.hero to shuttle you will lose 1 point.
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List of Two-Starters for this week:
-The entire Estro Lineup (Hyvaa, Really, Sangho, and Upmagic)
-The entire Hite Sparkyz Lineup (Yellow, Leta, Hogil, Horang2)
-Woonjing Stars: Free, Guemchi, and Zero
-SKT1: Best, Bisu, Fantasy
-Wemade Fox: Pure, Roro
-Airforce Ace: Oversky, Casy
-CJ Entus: Effort, Kwanro, Movie
-MBCGame Hero: Light, Jaehoon, Hyun
-STX Soul, KTF Magicns, and Samsung Khan will play only 1 game during this week.
(Hopefully this makes things easier for people looking to trade.)
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i decided to give it a roll this week and traded 2 "power-houses" Kal and JangBi for Really and SangHo, since i already have eSTRO as my team.
all or nothing
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On April 30 2009 21:30 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 21:22 Beamo wrote:On April 30 2009 19:30 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On April 30 2009 19:06 Beamo wrote:On April 30 2009 15:58 raga4ka wrote:
If i trade by.hero for Shuttle i won't lose points since i'll get 1 point for line-up appirance right ? If Shuttle plays and loses he will have +1 for lineup -1 for a loss = 0 Since you paid -1 for the trade you can end with a final -1 If he wins you get +2 (-1 for the trade and +3 for his performance) Well if you trade and he loses he can still get ±0 (if STX wins match) +1 lineup -1 loss +1 team win -1 trade tax No because by.hero is also in STX so doesn't make a difference what? If you trade by.hero to shuttle you will lose 1 point.
Yes but since by.hero was also in STX he would of also had +1 if STX wins so overall if Shuttle loses and STX wins he is still 1 point down compared to if he hadn't traded.
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Braavos36374 Posts
nice!
now can anyone find a "perfect team" that includes all possible trades made?
its actually quite time consuming, should be cool though, i'm sure theres a way to beat 130
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On May 01 2009 15:28 Hot_Bid wrote:nice!
now can anyone find a "perfect team" that includes all possible trades made?
its actually quite time consuming, should be cool though, i'm sure theres a way to beat 130
I'm sure there is also -- I'd have to look week-by-week for ways to include the top scorers while still being able to trade for the top scorers next week. Since you can only trade down though (starting from max of 30 and decreasing from there), and trades cost -1, there are only a few viable ways to improve on this score.
Method 1: Trades back and forth between players that started out at equal cost and then outperform each other by >1 point margin each week while seesawing in trade value.
example:
Trading Kal for great last week would give you a 4 point margin, pushing the total to 134 already.
Method 2: Well, all of the ways of doing this are going to be variations on the above theme -- basically a player has to outperform their value, putting them high enough to be traded for another player who then outperforms the other player by a point margin > 1.
Is there any way to look at week-by-week trade values and point earnings for each player?
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if jaedong keeps this up hes gonna be cheap for round 5
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Braavos36374 Posts
On May 01 2009 17:34 sidesprang wrote:if jaedong keeps this up hes gonna be cheap for round 5
yeah, almost 600 teams with Jaedong this round, there's going to be even more with him next round when his price drops
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United States11390 Posts
fuck yes
I can trade ktf and get Oz.
Now, Oz goes on undefeated streak for rest of season. <3
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well my team sure paid off tonight wooo
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On May 02 2009 15:16 Pizzown wrote:
well my team sure paid off tonight wooo
High five from fellow, bisu/thezerg/skt1 owner :D
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Melbourne5338 Posts
The people ahead of me have a combined post total of 261 posts. :<
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guess who has Yarnc in his anti-team after forgetting he didn't take him out?
HELL YEAH!!!
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On May 02 2009 15:27 pachi wrote:
The people ahead of me have a combined post total of 261 posts. :<
i think this calls for an admin reducing your post count by 3000 :<
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I'm so regretting not sticking to my original team which had SKT1 instead of KTF. Alas, what could have been..
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Is it possible to have my team erased? I am utterly disgusted with my self and don't want to have to see it ever again
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On May 04 2009 07:12 Nightmarjoo wrote:Is it possible to have my team erased? I am utterly disgusted with my self and don't want to have to see it ever again
hahaha I had same feelings when my trade went wrong and anti team started to win. Just don't look your team again.
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I'm just going to say I'm glad there's no fantasy GOM.
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On May 04 2009 11:26 Musoeun wrote:
I'm just going to say I'm glad there's no fantasy GOM.
Everyone would be a loser in that game.
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Hades ftw, just this I have to say :D.
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I also just noticed that the fpl group system apparently classed Abydos1 as a Forum Newbie. Which may or may not be the case, but is funny as he's running this thing.
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Prolly it counts people with number of posts less than 1000 or sth . Or he just put himself there on a purpose, testing or w/e.
I just looked at streak points, and I think they are extremally small. 3 points for 9 wins in a row? How often does this happen in proleagues? Unless there is general scheme to have streak points make mariginal influence on the player scores, maybe it would be nice to implement a more rewarding system from next season?
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Just quick questions. Do B teamers like TT still get points even though they are not in roster anymore?
Why aren't some players added to team rosters?
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United States3705 Posts
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Oversky better win against shinekal. My team depends on it.
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Top twenty? o.O Didn't see that coming.
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Ohhh, I have the most points lost from trades of anyone in the top 100. I must be really good at this.
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I noticed the points gained/lost from trades dont count the points from team-trading:s
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Hogil prevented teh SKT1 to reach the first place
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SKT stopped :D.
From 281 to 45 in 2 days, I didn't expect that, nice surprise . If tomorrow Upmagic and hyvva win it will be just imba.
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United States10328 Posts
darn, zero didn't play also my trades might have sucked. oops
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Yep, my season is completely dead thanks to Woongjin's slump. Time to make random trades for the rest of the weeks!
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HAHAHAHA! So glad I traded go.go for Hogil :D
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I am so bad at picking anti teams.
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I just realized that the two 2-pointers I picked for my team (Hogil, Pure) are the first and third highest scoring 2 pointers and the 6th and 14th highest scorers overall.
Luxury was such a bust though, how did he go 1-5 ??? Though he's played 3 people on my team so eh.
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i cant believe that my friend bought GORUSH and actually it totally paid out for him
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On May 06 2009 17:29 Geo.Rion wrote:
i cant believe that my friend bought GORUSH and actually it totally paid out for him
If you were a Yellow owner, it was a pretty easy decision to trade him off for GoRush, though I don't know if that's what your friend did or not.
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On May 06 2009 17:40 Jaksiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2009 17:29 Geo.Rion wrote:
i cant believe that my friend bought GORUSH and actually it totally paid out for him If you were a Yellow owner, it was a pretty easy decision to trade him off for GoRush, though I don't know if that's what your friend did or not.
he traded by.hero from STX
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I NEED TO GET RID OF GREAT OMFG WHY IS HE THE SURPRISE HIT OF THE SEASON!?! HES KILLING ME. ABSOLUTELY RAPING MY OTHERWISE SUPERB TEAM. I PUT IT OFF WEEK AFTER WEEK THINKING OH IT HAS TO JUST BE A FLUKE RIGHT AND HE JUST KEEPS RAPING WHYYYY.
sorry for the caps. it just blows my mind =x needed to vent somewhere T___T
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haha, my 2 top scorers and team playing yesterday brought me down 5 places. Today I went up by 5 and recovered my spot even though I had no player in all 4 teams.
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Oh dear. Hyvaa, no more antiteam for you.
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I think it's hilarious that my second best pick after Leta was choosing ACE for my team. Cost 0 points and I've gotten 16 from it.
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went down like 200 places -_-
thanks hyvaa -_-; and ACE, but i dont care about ACE (rather have em win anyway ^^)~
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Tied for best anti-team now. Too bad my main team sucks.
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Two games starters for week 5:
entire OZ line-up (HiyA, Jaedong, Lomo, BackHo)
entire CJ line-up (EffOrt, sKyHigh, Kwanro, Movie)
SKT (Bisu, BeSt, fantasy)
STX (Notice, Calm, Modesty)
KHAN (great, Stork, firebathero)
ACE (Casy, OversKy, Anytime)
KTF (Flash & Luxury)
MBC (Jaehoon & HyuN)
eSTRO, FOX, Hite and Stars - Only 1 game this week
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The current adjusted trade values don't make sense to me.
For great who has 24 points, 7 matches played, an original cost of 5, and 4 matches left:
((24 / (4.56 / 11)) / 7 * 7/11 + 5 * (11 - 7)/11)*4 = 28.3253589
The listed atv is 28.28
For Piano who has 7 points, 3 matches played, an original cost of 4, and 4 matches left:
((7 / (4.56 / 11)) / 3 * 3/11 + 4 * (11 - 3)/11)*4 = 17.7767145
The listed atv is 11.95
For Nada who has 4 points, 2 matches played, an original cost of 3, and 4 matches left:
((4 / (4.56 / 11)) / 2 * 2/11 + 3 * (11 - 2)/11)*4 = 13.3269537
the listed atv is 7.86
Am I doing something wrong? I think they worked out correctly last week.
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picking forgg was just the biggest mistake for me. even though he did well at the beginning of the season, ktf decided not to play him - so i had to trade him for nada. Then nada didn't win a single game, and now wemade isn't playing him, so I had to trade him for modesty.. who will probably suck completely =[
I think it's really helpful to choose players that teams will be forced to play everytime... for example, jaedong//horang2//pure were really good picks for me, cuz their teams were forced to play them.
next round i won't make the same mistakes =\
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United States3443 Posts
Every trade I made was a catastrophic mistake. I'm like minus 30 from trades; I decided to fuck it and pick up GoRush and yellOw, at least now I can cheer for my players...
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Good amount of games coming for this week, and with great, HiyA and newly added Stork and Kwanro, I'll be targetting at top 30 . If CJ and great perform as expected this will be just sweet.
If only flonking Stork can take wins...
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On May 08 2009 08:33 KingPants wrote:
The current adjusted trade values don't make sense to me.
For great who has 24 points, 7 matches played, an original cost of 5, and 4 matches left:
((24 / (4.56 / 11)) / 7 * 7/11 + 5 * (11 - 7)/11)*4 = 28.3253589
The listed atv is 28.28
For Piano who has 7 points, 3 matches played, an original cost of 4, and 4 matches left:
((7 / (4.56 / 11)) / 3 * 3/11 + 4 * (11 - 3)/11)*4 = 17.7767145
The listed atv is 11.95
For Nada who has 4 points, 2 matches played, an original cost of 3, and 4 matches left:
((4 / (4.56 / 11)) / 2 * 2/11 + 3 * (11 - 2)/11)*4 = 13.3269537
the listed atv is 7.86
Am I doing something wrong? I think they worked out correctly last week.
Matches played is the number of matches their Team has played thus your calculations for Piano & NaDa are incorrect; the .04 difference is probably just floating point math being slightly off.
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On May 08 2009 08:49 cujo2k wrote:
picking forgg was just the biggest mistake for me. even though he did well at the beginning of the season, ktf decided not to play him - so i had to trade him for nada. Then nada didn't win a single game, and now wemade isn't playing him, so I had to trade him for modesty.. who will probably suck completely =[
I think it's really helpful to choose players that teams will be forced to play everytime... for example, jaedong//horang2//pure were really good picks for me, cuz their teams were forced to play them.
next round i won't make the same mistakes =\
i did the same thing lol, but still i think the mistake was trading for NaDa...fOrGG performed above expectations until the tading point
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On May 08 2009 14:43 bugus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 08:49 cujo2k wrote:
picking forgg was just the biggest mistake for me. even though he did well at the beginning of the season, ktf decided not to play him - so i had to trade him for nada. Then nada didn't win a single game, and now wemade isn't playing him, so I had to trade him for modesty.. who will probably suck completely =[
I think it's really helpful to choose players that teams will be forced to play everytime... for example, jaedong//horang2//pure were really good picks for me, cuz their teams were forced to play them.
next round i won't make the same mistakes =\ i did the same thing lol, but still i think the mistake was trading for NaDa... fOrGG performed above expectations until the tading point
Yeah I made the mistake of trading forgg for nada too, i figured that 2 games against mediocre opponents was better than no games at all, and even if he won 1 game or earned teamwin points i might be able to trade back if forgg started getting played again and come out ahead.
Unfortunately, being the only terran on my team, there is literally noone worth trading for(imo) below nada's adj trade value now, whereas if i hadn't traded I'd not only have not lost the 1 point on trading, but would actually be able to snag one of several terrans that could actually remotely look like winning a game.
In the end the downgrade of adj trade value was a huge killer and I basically have a dead slot on my team now
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dont you talk about dead slots please. talk about paying 5 points for Luxury.
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On May 08 2009 23:01 Malongo wrote:
dont you talk about dead slots please. talk about paying 5 points for Luxury.
No, talk about paying 5 points for Luxury and having him be your Captain!!
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On May 09 2009 00:18 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 23:01 Malongo wrote:
dont you talk about dead slots please. talk about paying 5 points for Luxury. No, talk about paying 5 points for Luxury and having him be your Captain!!
hahaha, and I thought I was unlucky to stick with him all this time even after what happened in last round's fantasy. He's the best zerg they got, he'll play for sure everymatch, he's talented and just got off an MSL gold. T_T
Hopefully he actually earns some this week since the aforementioned reasons keep me from trading him.
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There should be more mention of the epic race for last place that has been going on imo.
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On May 09 2009 00:18 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 23:01 Malongo wrote:
dont you talk about dead slots please. talk about paying 5 points for Luxury. No, talk about paying 5 points for Luxury and having him be your Captain!!
Still having Action as captain and still no playtime
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anti team is really making me shit my pants. Sea, i love you, but please lose. You are worth too much to trade
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My team is bugged, I only have two players on my antiteam. I can't trade away hiya because he's not showing up.
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Didn't get answer to my questions. So does B teamers get team wins even though they shouldn't. I think TT got point when Samsung did win.
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finally, all my players brought points who had to.
Even though Backho could have taken 2 more, and Stork 1 more, i'm fully satisfied with my FPLteam performance today
Too_MuchZerg
i'm quit sure they do
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damn coulda been first today if great didnt fail in ace match =/
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On May 09 2009 00:18 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 23:01 Malongo wrote:
dont you talk about dead slots please. talk about paying 5 points for Luxury. No, talk about paying 5 points for Luxury and having him be your Captain!!
LOOOOL i didnt see that coming. Lets hope this guy can get at least a win zvz on battle royal.
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On May 09 2009 15:09 fOrTT wrote:
damn coulda been first today if great didnt fail in ace match =/
6 wins in a row, one more it would equal turning water to wine.
I am glad because great was the first player I picked on my team, and only one I was sure I wanted, because I had feeling he would do well. This I didn't expect :D.
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On May 10 2009 02:27 dranjam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2009 15:09 fOrTT wrote:
damn coulda been first today if great didnt fail in ace match =/ 6 wins in a row, one more it would equal turning water to wine. I am glad because great was the first player I picked on my team, and only one I was sure I wanted, because I had feeling he would do well. This I didn't expect :D.
Great is the only person with a 6 game win streak so far.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
God my anti-team is raping me
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On May 10 2009 10:33 Plexa wrote:God my anti-team is raping me
your main team is also raping you. your ranking by main team total points is almost same as your rank by total points
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It was either Guemchi or Great...that didn't turn out so well. >.<
At least I have the consolation prize of trading YellOw for GoRush just in time to see GoRush get some points.
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On May 10 2009 10:33 Plexa wrote:God my anti-team is raping me
mee too. Effort...
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Ha, I sold effort after he took first 7 points. Before season started I was thinking he would continue to fail, but changed my mind just in time.
4 games, 1 team game behind me, +23 points so far, 5 more games, 1 team game, and 2 anti team games to come, I expect to net about 50 points this week, so far so good .
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it wasn't really smart to put great on my anti-team
-30
yay!
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It made sense to trade KTF for Wemade since they were about to play ACE and Estro, how did this go so wrong.
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On May 11 2009 20:00 KingPants wrote:
It made sense to trade KTF for Wemade since they were about to play ACE and Estro, how did this go so wrong.
The smart trade was trading KTF for Hwaseung since they are playing Ace and MBC and i did just that .
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On May 11 2009 20:00 KingPants wrote:
It made sense to trade KTF for Wemade since they were about to play ACE and Estro, how did this go so wrong.
Trading KTF -> OZ this week for similar reasons paid off so far
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Yeah Estro
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Yeah, incredible that there is one guy who made points on selling Wemade for Ace. Who would think this happens...
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can we see after each trading period is done something like the trade done by most users? and the outcome that week.
for example because i didnt had ktf - i wasnt interested about this trade for oz..
Trades i done in the past and I think many others had done the same are:
forgg for nada
stork for hwasin
and so on..
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I just made one stupid mistake. I told myself no trades, no watching fantasy.. grab your team and go with it.
Picked everyone I wanted.
I was torn between Oz and SKT1 -- obviously I made the wrong choice. I'd have 125 points with SKT1 and 2 more points to remove Xellos and pick someone better.
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United States3705 Posts
Another big day coming up for me ^^
trading FBH for Hwasin was bad, but KHAN for Oz was good
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On May 11 2009 22:25 bugus wrote:
can we see after each trading period is done something like the trade done by most users? and the outcome that week.
for example because i didnt had ktf - i wasnt interested about this trade for oz..
Trades i done in the past and I think many others had done the same are:
forgg for nada
stork for hwasin
and so on..
Theres a bunch of trade statistics on the "Misc" tab.
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yes..but is hard to spot the most common
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Any more daily blogs coming out?
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aagh having great on my anti team from the start really fucked me up
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looking at my anti-team trades, I just realized...
Week 1: PianO > keke
Week 4: keke > PianO
I've come full circle.
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Man...first couple of weeks I thought Iris/July on my anti-team would really screw me but at this point I still haven't traded them away and my anti-team score is actually pretty okay. Pleasant surprise.
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On May 13 2009 07:05 I8PP wrote:
looking at my anti-team trades, I just realized...
Week 1: PianO > keke
Week 4: keke > PianO
I've come full circle.
Hahahaha
On May 13 2009 07:14 Rostam wrote:
Man...first couple of weeks I thought Iris/July on my anti-team would really screw me but at this point I still haven't traded them away and my anti-team score is actually pretty okay. Pleasant surprise.
I picked Iris to start with and I just traded oov for July (SKT is winning too much :O)
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China3334 Posts
I have to trade KTF with another team. Terrible, just terrible >_<
Good thing is....Captain my captain + Show Spoiler +
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On May 13 2009 15:14 Emlary wrote:I have to trade KTF with another team. Terrible, just terrible >_< Good thing is....Captain my captain + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, I just checked that... KTF can't be traded
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China3334 Posts
On May 13 2009 15:14 Abydos1 wrote:Yeah, I just checked that... KTF can't be traded
T_T I should have traded KTF with Oz few weeks ago when Oz were doing really bad.
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On May 13 2009 15:17 Emlary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2009 15:14 Abydos1 wrote:On May 13 2009 15:14 Emlary wrote:I have to trade KTF with another team. Terrible, just terrible >_< Good thing is....Captain my captain + Show Spoiler + Yeah, I just checked that... KTF can't be traded T_T I should have traded KTF with Oz few weeks ago when Oz were doing really bad.
Me too, except the whole rest of my team sucked, wasn't playing, and needed to be traded too
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Ha, who really could have called that anti team? Thats insaneeee
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United States10328 Posts
On May 13 2009 15:40 Pizzown wrote:
Ha, who really could have called that anti team? Thats insaneeee
who would've thought a guy with 5 posts can be on top of fantasy proleague :O props to you
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On May 13 2009 15:45 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2009 15:40 Pizzown wrote:
Ha, who really could have called that anti team? Thats insaneeee who would've thought a guy with 5 posts can be on top of fantasy proleague :O props to you
im a lurker, get some obs and you can see me!!
but ehh typo on what i said up 2, i meant perfect team not anti team
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Uh, I'm pretty sure they were generated so people could ooh and awe at them.
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What if the SKT1 team actually wins? We wouldn't have a winning person then. And it's not even an unrealistic scenario as SKT has two matches left.
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I believe Hot_Bid added the 12 pro teams into this for fun. So I guess he would win FPL if that happens :S
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When will the new lineups arrive? Im leaving in a couple of hours. :p
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 13 2009 17:08 ZoW wrote:
I believe Hot_Bid added the 12 pro teams into this for fun. So I guess he would win FPL if that happens :S
Yes.
HB created the 12 "team-teams". Don't worry about it, they shouldn't count towards the final ranking.
On May 13 2009 17:17 LorDo wrote:
When will the new lineups arrive? Im leaving in a couple of hours. :p
They are always released on Thursdays.
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On May 13 2009 17:52 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2009 17:08 ZoW wrote:
I believe Hot_Bid added the 12 pro teams into this for fun. So I guess he would win FPL if that happens :S Yes. HB created the 12 "team-teams". Don't worry about it, they shouldn't count towards the final ranking.
Yeah, HotBid made those; they won't count for the "real" rankings. I don't think he expected them to do this well either lol. SKT is dominating this round O.O
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nvm some1 posted already about lineups
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I think I bugged one of my players by trading him away for 1 week and then getting him back :<
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On May 14 2009 05:29 Yiruru wrote:
I think I bugged one of my players by trading him away for 1 week and then getting him back :<
Skyhigh >>> Yarnc then Yarnc >>> Skyhigh? Looks fine to me.
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I have a bug with that too: I bought Stork, then traded him away, then bought him again later. In the detailed team view, it only shows Stork's points from when I first had him in my team. The more recent points seem to be calculated correctly towards the total standings, but they are not displayed in the detailed team view.
Also, when sorting the trades in the misc tab by a column, it links to Trades.php (with some parameters) instead of Misc.php and thus doesn't work without manually changing the URL.
Only very minor bugs though, no problem at all
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On May 14 2009 07:42 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2009 05:29 Yiruru wrote:
I think I bugged one of my players by trading him away for 1 week and then getting him back :< Skyhigh >>> Yarnc then Yarnc >>> Skyhigh? Looks fine to me.
Skyhigh is crossed out in W5, I only have 5 players for W5 in the detailed team scoring breakdown
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People that play twice this week (game 4 games in italics), sorted by Adjusted Trade Value:
Leta (GoRush, HyuN) - 27.71
ZerO (Light, OversKy) - 21.16
fantasy (Pure, SangHo) - 19.85
HoGiL (OversKy, Sea) - 18.70
EffOrt (Pure, UpMaGiC) - 18.53
hyvaa (Thezerg, sKyHigh) - 18.36
YellOw[ArnC] (Anytime, Peace) - 18.04
HyuN (GuemChi, Leta) - 14.77
sKyHigh (hyvaa, RorO) - 14.59
UpMaGiC (Hyuk, EffOrt) - 14.43
Really (Iris, BeSt) - 13.44
Horang2 (Casy, Jaehoon) - 13.29
free[gm] (Jaehoon, Reach) - 13.11
Casy (Horang2, GuemChi) - 11.48
Pure (EffOrt, fantasy) - 11.48
SangHo (Much, fantasy) - 11.15
Hyuk (keke, UpMaGiC) - 10.83
RorO (Bisu, sKyHigh) - 10.33
Jaehoon (free[gm], Horang2) - 9.51
OversKy (HoGiL, ZerO) - 9.35
GoRush (Leta, PianO) - 9.19
GuemChi (HyuN, Casy) - 6.39
BaBy (Canata, Movie) - 2.79
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On May 14 2009 23:07 Abydos1 wrote:People that play twice this week (game 4 games in italics), sorted by Adjusted Trade Value: Leta ( GoRush, HyuN) - 27.71 ZerO ( Light, OversKy) - 21.16 fantasy ( Pure, SangHo) - 19.85 HoGiL ( OversKy, Sea) - 18.70 EffOrt ( Pure, UpMaGiC) - 18.53 hyvaa ( Thezerg, sKyHigh) - 18.36 YellOw[ArnC] ( Anytime, Peace) - 18.04 HyuN ( GuemChi, Leta) - 14.77 sKyHigh ( hyvaa, RorO) - 14.59 UpMaGiC ( Hyuk, EffOrt) - 14.43 Really ( Iris, BeSt) - 13.44 Horang2 ( Casy, Jaehoon) - 13.29 free[gm] ( Jaehoon, Reach) - 13.11 Casy ( Horang2, GuemChi) - 11.48 Pure ( EffOrt, fantasy) - 11.48 SangHo ( Much, fantasy) - 11.15 Hyuk ( keke, UpMaGiC) - 10.83 RorO ( Bisu, sKyHigh) - 10.33 Jaehoon ( free[gm], Horang2) - 9.51 OversKy ( HoGiL, ZerO) - 9.35 GoRush ( Leta, PianO) - 9.19 GuemChi ( HyuN, Casy) - 6.39 BaBy ( Canata, Movie) - 2.79
Shouldn't every fantasy team owner figure it all out himself? But i guess not many want to waste extra time scanning the lineups thread for the sake of their team.
Luxury -> Baby, hell yeah. Bye Lux, i sure as hell won't miss you.
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I heaved GGPlay for BaBy and feel happy about it. finally found a cool player who I could get in exchange for poor old GGPlay who doesnt get any playtime anymore.
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On May 15 2009 06:29 Magic84 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2009 23:07 Abydos1 wrote:People that play twice this week (game 4 games in italics), sorted by Adjusted Trade Value: Leta ( GoRush, HyuN) - 27.71 ZerO ( Light, OversKy) - 21.16 fantasy ( Pure, SangHo) - 19.85 HoGiL ( OversKy, Sea) - 18.70 EffOrt ( Pure, UpMaGiC) - 18.53 hyvaa ( Thezerg, sKyHigh) - 18.36 YellOw[ArnC] ( Anytime, Peace) - 18.04 HyuN ( GuemChi, Leta) - 14.77 sKyHigh ( hyvaa, RorO) - 14.59 UpMaGiC ( Hyuk, EffOrt) - 14.43 Really ( Iris, BeSt) - 13.44 Horang2 ( Casy, Jaehoon) - 13.29 free[gm] ( Jaehoon, Reach) - 13.11 Casy ( Horang2, GuemChi) - 11.48 Pure ( EffOrt, fantasy) - 11.48 SangHo ( Much, fantasy) - 11.15 Hyuk ( keke, UpMaGiC) - 10.83 RorO ( Bisu, sKyHigh) - 10.33 Jaehoon ( free[gm], Horang2) - 9.51 OversKy ( HoGiL, ZerO) - 9.35 GoRush ( Leta, PianO) - 9.19 GuemChi ( HyuN, Casy) - 6.39 BaBy ( Canata, Movie) - 2.79 Shouldn't every fantasy team owner figure it all out himself? But i guess not many want to waste extra time scanning the lineups thread for the sake of their team. Luxury -> Baby, hell yeah. Bye Lux, i sure as hell won't miss you.
I was doing it anyways and figured I'd save everyone the trouble; its not like this information isn't available :p Besides, even seeing this list some trades still aren't easy choices. I imagine there will be a lot of trades for BaBy this week though.
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will someone please post how many games each team has left or post a link to where I can find out? I know each team has 2-3 games, but I want to see which teams have 3. Thanks ^^
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All teams have 3 games remaining except for KTF, STX, KHAN and OZ wich have 2.
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On May 15 2009 06:29 Magic84 wrote:
Luxury -> Baby, hell yeah. Bye Lux, i sure as hell won't miss you.
I made that trade as well. Luxury was such a bust.
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On May 16 2009 07:35 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2009 06:29 Magic84 wrote:
Luxury -> Baby, hell yeah. Bye Lux, i sure as hell won't miss you. I made that trade as well. Luxury was such a bust.
I would've made that trade in an instant if Lux wasn't my captain
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The misc page has been updated to only show trades made by more than one person and the sorting links have been fixed.
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Holy **** on a **** sandwich, EPIC COMEBACK INCOMING!!!
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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Hmm are there any more games after this week? I'm looking in pretty good shape if not. I just hope i can beat the skt1 team.
It would be pretty lol if that won
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so close to top 10
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highest climber today :D and most points won - tks really and sangho
whau 38 users aquired baby for this week
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Damn, CJ and upmagic losing . At least the trade for Baby paid off and Best lost, so a small gain.
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On May 16 2009 16:24 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Hmm are there any more games after this week? I'm looking in pretty good shape if not. I just hope i can beat the skt1 team. It would be pretty lol if that won
Every team plays once next week.
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Yay, graphs 
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is awesome32274 Posts
hahahaha fucking luxury owned me
also, lol @ T1 raping everybody.
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Braavos36374 Posts
lol @ skt1
the anti team is supposed to be a joke, and it turned out awesome
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China3334 Posts
On May 17 2009 12:59 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol @ skt1
the anti team is supposed to be a joke, and it turned out awesome
I was freaking out when SKT1 sent out Best to the ace game yesterday. I want SKT1 to win but I have Best on my anti list! God, the anti team makes this Fantasy PL more fun (the depth of "gameplay").
Bisu must be jealous that Flash/Leta/Jaedong always play ace games. To secure his No.1 spot on the most-victories ranking, he needs to play ace games -_________-
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I'm still in the top 200! Sort of!
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Wk Traded Acquired Pt+-
4 Air Force ACE Woongjin Stars -6
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
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Stars had the easiest schedule for the last few games =/
On the plus side, Guemchi got his first point since I traded for him, for being on the lineup but not playing.
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Yes, I also did the Guemchi trade, thinking that he might win a few games given that he'll play a lot ... He managed to get a losing streak instead.
I kinda blew my chances when I traded Stork for Nada, that was a horrible mistake. Oh well, I'll look forward to the next season.
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On May 18 2009 04:29 SonuvBob wrote:
Stars had the easiest schedule for the last few games =/
On the plus side, Guemchi got his first point since I traded for him, for being on the lineup but not playing.
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On May 18 2009 04:04 SonuvBob wrote:
Wk Traded Acquired Pt+-
4 Air Force ACE Woongjin Stars -6
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
Hahaha.
Baby > Guemchi
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On May 18 2009 04:42 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:29 SonuvBob wrote:
Stars had the easiest schedule for the last few games =/
On the plus side, Guemchi got his first point since I traded for him, for being on the lineup but not playing.
wow awesome gif there
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I am KTF. That is, in free-fall right now.
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That .gif is mesmerizing.
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On May 18 2009 04:34 klizzer wrote:
I kinda blew my chances when I traded Stork for Nada, that was a horrible mistake. Oh well, I'll look forward to the next season.
Wk ▲Traded Acquired Pt ±
2 HoGiL NaDa -19
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Wellll...
My Horang2 -> Flash and Pure -> Casy trades this week didn't...work out so well..
Luckily my GuemChi -> Backho and Light -> Jaedong trades from last week are doing great!
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I'm sure I traded someone for baby last week. Oh well.
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man my anti-team is hurting me so much more than skt1's is hurting it .
Well, I still have 2 more players playing tomorrow, both with not particularly hard opponents (guemchi playing casy lol).
Hoping for them not to epic fail so I come out of this week ahead :D
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The points system is a little weird this round though, i don't understand why Hyvaa scored 9 points today while Jaedong only scored 8 yesterday... It's getting to difficult to follow !
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because hyvaa didnt score 9 points today
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On May 20 2009 00:56 ~chut~ wrote:
The points system is a little weird this round though, i don't understand why Hyvaa scored 9 points today while Jaedong only scored 8 yesterday... It's getting to difficult to follow !
He got 9 this week, 4 for match vs CJ and 5 today.
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On May 19 2009 04:53 Yiruru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:34 klizzer wrote:
I kinda blew my chances when I traded Stork for Nada, that was a horrible mistake. Oh well, I'll look forward to the next season. Wk ▲Traded Acquired Pt ± 2 HoGiL NaDa -19
worst trade?
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On May 20 2009 01:56 Hyperionnn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 04:53 Yiruru wrote:On May 18 2009 04:34 klizzer wrote:
I kinda blew my chances when I traded Stork for Nada, that was a horrible mistake. Oh well, I'll look forward to the next season. Wk ▲Traded Acquired Pt ± 2 HoGiL NaDa -19 worst trade?
Anti team: 1 Shine[kaL] hyvaa 5 -20 (1 point worse)
Note that the misc tab right now is only showing trades made by more than 1 person so there might be some worse trades that aren't showing up.
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Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team.
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I'm sure the FPL will be given a thorough shakedown before the next round to make sure it remains playable.
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On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team.
The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs.
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On May 21 2009 02:13 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team. The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs.
Sounds reasonable. Thanks!
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On May 21 2009 02:13 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team. The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs.
If you're doing this you need to reduce how many points teams give by the same amount or the more expensive teams will be significantly better value.
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Wk ▲Traded Acquired Pt ±
2 HoGiL Hwasin -18
At least I recovered with:
Wk ▲Traded Acquired Pt ±
4 Hwasin Lomo +8
Man this week sucked for my team. Plus, they've devalued so much that I can't really trade for anyone decent anymore.
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On May 21 2009 02:13 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team. The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs.
So I hope players trade value end of this season will be what it is when round4 ends. For long time there wont be any 0 pointers.
I just hope there wont be this kind of round down: trade value 1.89 -> 1 for next round. But this would be better 1.45 -> 2. Gives more importance to player selection.
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On May 21 2009 03:49 Cesar2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:13 Abydos1 wrote:On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team. The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs. If you're doing this you need to reduce how many points teams give by the same amount or the more expensive teams will be significantly better value.
On the contrary, we boosted team scoring to counteract instances where players may decide to pick a very cheap team to field better players (ex. KTF last round). Because each person has to pick 1 (and only 1) team we wanted to put a little more weight into that decision. Thus, the top team should under the new scoring net about the same number of points as the top player (note however that there is a cost difference there ~10 vs ~7) however, as you can see with Oz this round, there is still a lot of risk. Teams have shown more variance than players have in their performance; thus you get a higher risk reward scenario. Also, as evidenced this round, overall team and player scoring are inversely related with the large number of 3-0 victories we have seen massive point gains for teams but little gain for players with the lack of key ace matches to boost the top level player's scores. However, if we have a round were most matches go to an ace game we'll see the opposite; player scoring will increase with the extra games played and team scores will be lower because of all the 3-2 matches.
Of course, everything isn't set in stone and we're going to review this round and possibly make some small changes. Overall we're pleased with the format as is and I think the increased team score makes for a tougher decision when picking your one and only team each round.
On May 21 2009 07:10 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:13 Abydos1 wrote:On May 20 2009 22:29 Scorch wrote:
Will teams be costed according to their current trade values? That's incredibly expensive. Teams' trade values are inflated by 70% from their original cost. (sum of trade values / sum of costs)
If everybody is required to buy a team, they should be cheaper, or maybe we should get 2 to 4 more starting credits next round to compensate. I like having some credits left after selecting a team. The ratio of points scored to costs needs to be adjusted for teams, their price range will be similar to what it was at the beginning of this round. Team trade value for this round was just using the same constant as players (which results in inflated trade values but its fine since its all relative). So look forward to around a 40% (rough estimate) reduction in team costs. It should be something like WeMade 2, SKT 7 for the high and low costs. So I hope players trade value end of this season will be what it is when round4 ends. For long time there wont be any 0 pointers. I just hope there wont be this kind of round down: trade value 1.89 -> 1 for next round. But this would be better 1.45 -> 2. Gives more importance to player selection.
No, we won't be rounding values down.
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On May 21 2009 09:55 Abydos1 wrote:
On the contrary, we boosted team scoring to counteract instances where players may decide to pick a very cheap team to field better players (ex. KTF last round).
But now it would have the opposite effect. (lets say the next round would start tomorrow) If you set SKT to cost 7 points, you will score an 'expected' 58 points for a cost of 7. If you wanted to buy Bisu however, you would get an 'expected' score of 42 for a cost of 11 points. Where is the fairness there?
I understand that all teams will be more attractive than players of the same price with this system, but the more expensive teams will net a bigger bonus.
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So get the best team and not so good players next time, that's a fair choice for all. Not everyone has to have bisu and jaedong on the team.
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On May 21 2009 18:07 Cesar2000 wrote:Where is the fairness there?
I understand that all teams will be more attractive than players of the same price with this system, but the more expensive teams will net a bigger bonus.
It's fair because everybody has the same choices to make, has to make the same gambles, etc. Everyone plays by the same rules makes it fair, the "rules" aren't fair or unfair by themselves.
Alternatively, bearing in mind that teams are less predictable in general than players, there really ought to be a higher risk/reward for the teams anyway.
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On May 23 2009 15:36 Musoeun wrote:
Alternatively, bearing in mind that teams are less predictable in general than players, there really ought to be a higher risk/reward for the teams anyway.
I feel the exact opposite. The unpredictability of teams coupled with their high point returns makes the game a crap shoot. The top of the fantasy standings are dominated by SKT and CJ owners because of how many points those teams have earned; if you didn't pick one of them, you had very little chance to compete this round, even with good player selections. Every choice on your roster should be important, and no one pick should be capable of tanking your chances of winning.
This problem occurred mainly because of all the 3-0 and 3-1 victories. You'd expect 3-2 matches to be the most common with 3-0 the least common, but the opposite actually happened. 8 points for a 3-0 victory sounded like a good idea until SKT, CJ, and Oz all rolled off 4 of them in 10 chances.
If anything, the team win points should be reduced back to levels comparable with rounds 2 and 3.
And the record, I'm very happy with my ACE squad's performance.
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fuck yah 6th place.
now only if shine[kal] doesn't screw me over for the last time.
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I now have last place locked up. It's mathematically impossible for me to lose it. :D
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
only zero can screw me over now.
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On May 23 2009 16:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:This problem occurred mainly because of all the 3-0 and 3-1 victories. You'd expect 3-2 matches to be the most common with 3-0 the least common, but the opposite actually happened. 8 points for a 3-0 victory sounded like a good idea until SKT, CJ, and Oz all rolled off 4 of them in 10 chances. If anything, the team win points should be reduced back to levels comparable with rounds 2 and 3. And the record, I'm very happy with my ACE squad's performance.
Note that CJ was only worth 5 points - and so was KHAN. I'm a happy CJ owner, but I seriously considered picking KHAN and then I'd be screwed. Now, I'm just barely in the top 100 and probably won't stay there so who knows how valid my conclusions are.
There is one reason to reduce team points - teams are guaranteed 11 matches a round, while most players aren't guaranteed 11 games (Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, hyvaa, and Leta are your exceptions). Eh, I don't know. This was my first round playing so I can't really compare, but it seems okay to me the way it is, while reducing team point costs would make the team matter that much less.
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Just saying, I'm in 6th instead of 60th~ if I take SKT1 instead of OZ and I have 2 more points to pick someone better than Xellos.
I never made any trades. /shrug.
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I'm at #31 starting with KTF (later OZ and now Stars), so it certainly is possible to score reasonably high with a good anti-team and smart trading even if you don't have CJ or SKT1.
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Odd: I currently lost points for both Anytime and Hyun (antiteam) even though they both lost today... no other results seem to be updated at all. I'm mildly confused. I assume fantasy just hasn't been updated for real yet?
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On May 24 2009 15:43 Musoeun wrote:
Odd: I currently lost points for both Anytime and Hyun (antiteam) even though they both lost today... no other results seem to be updated at all. I'm mildly confused. I assume fantasy just hasn't been updated for real yet?
I updated and screwed up, we'll have to wait for Abydos to fix it. Sorry everyone!
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someone make a mistake in the update...anytime lost his game instead gorush!
give the points to gorush. thanks :D
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Same goes for Jaedong no pts were given
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Fantasy Round 4 winner due to latest proleague results
+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2009 00:20 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
only zero can screw me over now. zero lost, congrats
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GG! I hope Abydos can repair Hot_Bid's screwup () so we can see the final results. When does round 5 start?
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On May 25 2009 20:13 integral wrote:Fantasy Round 4 winner due to latest proleague results + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2009 00:20 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
only zero can screw me over now. zero lost, congrats
Thanks, although i'm holding my breath to make sure. I wasn't expecting the rest of my fpl to fail THAT spectacularly today, it might actually be possible a human player beat me( I havn't looked carefully) if they scored a heap today or something. Although i'm sure I beat skt1.
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You should have it, congrats!
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Sorry for the delay, been busy around here. I should have the results fixed soon. Sign ups for next round should be up shortly too.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On May 25 2009 21:56 Abydos1 wrote:
Sorry for the delay, been busy around here. I should have the results fixed soon. Sign ups for next round should be up shortly too.
No hurry. Thumbs up for the great work on this by the way :D
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On May 25 2009 22:01 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 21:56 Abydos1 wrote:
Sorry for the delay, been busy around here. I should have the results fixed soon. Sign ups for next round should be up shortly too. No hurry. Thumbs up for the great work on this by the way :D
Congratulations for your first place.
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Congrats doubleupgradeobbies!
And congrats to LTT on last place with -73!
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gorush still doesn't have points and samsung/oz somehow has 12 games played
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Yeah, also why is that Jaedong has 43 in stats but in teams he's only got 38 pts.
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Should be fixed in a sec
edit: Player scores should be fixed. A couple matches got added wrong and ended up being harder than expected to fix.
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So it's final then? Huge thanks for organizing all of this, I'm sure it was a lot of work.
I'm very satisfied with coming in 24th, after ranking 635th in Fantasy Winner's League. The anti-team (7th) and mass trading (6th) did the trick for me.
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Thank's Bob.
Sorry for the delay, I've had a busy weekend here (sister's graduation and family up here). Signups should be up sometime later tonight.
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China3334 Posts
Thanks Abydos1, you did a great job :D
I will definitely beat Hot_Bid next season!
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Braavos36374 Posts
Congrats doubleupgradeobbies!
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when does new round start?
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On March 22 2010 09:20 oskuboi wrote:
when does new round start?
wrong thread to bump D:
I think the next R1? I havent seen anything after winnersleague before so i cant tell if its long enough to make a good fantasy round
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Braavos36374 Posts
Signups will start about 1 week before the next round, which will probably be after WL playoffs is over (in 2 more weeks).
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