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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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RETURN OF  GGPLAY
YESSSS
Nada gonna wreck that protoss ezpz
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United States7488 Posts
 Nbs.... Really?
I trust the CJ staff on this, but they need a win and if they get they guarantee a spot in the WL Finals without having to play to get there. Though if Luxury All-Kills, KTF might get the first seed (or even Hwaseung.
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CJ coach on crack rofl. If KTF wins and drop more than 1 game than CJ has a higher seed than them. CJ auto seeded into championship if they win.
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Well, the two playoff days indicates that there will be no "seeds" for the teams that make the cutoffs, so no harm in playing Nbs.
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What the hell is up with eSTRO and Wemade sending a terran out for the opener when it's played on Medusa?.. And it's not even like a cannon fodder terran, it's Nada and Up.
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damn, ggplay has to play against his return game against kal, a known zerg killer. ggplay has been doing really poorly as of late and could've used a few easy games to get his confidence back on track. ggplay's a pimp and seems like a nice guy, it'll suck to see him go down on his second winner league's game.
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Its 3rd seed vs 4th seed, then winner vs 2nd seed, then winner vs 1st seed. So yes harm in playing NBS.
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Bisu will trounce Nada unfortunately, the only Terran on the planet who can beat Bisu there is Flash.
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is awesome32274 Posts
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On March 05 2009 13:45 RainmanMP wrote:
Its 3rd seed vs 4th seed, then winner vs 2nd seed, then winner vs 1st seed. So yes harm in playing NBS.
Could I get a source on that? Or more confirmation by other people?
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On March 05 2009 13:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2009 13:45 RainmanMP wrote:
Its 3rd seed vs 4th seed, then winner vs 2nd seed, then winner vs 1st seed. So yes harm in playing NBS. Could I get a source on that? Or more confirmation by other people?
it's the way it was with the last proleague, we can only assume it'll be the same this time
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On March 05 2009 13:54 brjdrb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2009 13:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:On March 05 2009 13:45 RainmanMP wrote:
Its 3rd seed vs 4th seed, then winner vs 2nd seed, then winner vs 1st seed. So yes harm in playing NBS. Could I get a source on that? Or more confirmation by other people? it's the way it was with the last proleague, we can only assume it'll be the same this time
Yes, but the regular proleague this season is different from last proleague, so I don't see why you would make that leap.
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United States13896 Posts
On March 05 2009 13:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2009 13:45 RainmanMP wrote:
Its 3rd seed vs 4th seed, then winner vs 2nd seed, then winner vs 1st seed. So yes harm in playing NBS. Could I get a source on that? Or more confirmation by other people?
Avid, that's the correct format.
I think it's clear Coach Cho doesn't care as much about what seed he gets as he just wants to get in his veterans who have not played in quite some time. This was already apparent when he played Much to lead off against ACE. May not be the smart thing to do in regards to the playoffs, but I don't mind. Classy move in my opinion.
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Okay, CJ is almost guaranteed the first seed at this point anyways.
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Bisu vs Nada- What an epic matchup. New Guard v. Old Guard.
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Bisu, Nada, Upmagic, Reach, and Luxury all starting off their respective matches? I don't know why but that makes me feel really uneasy. Estro, ACE, and KTF arguably only have on other solid player to get them out if they fall in trouble.
Losing train of though...epic matches! Show me epic matches!
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Ugh, GGPlay's gonna get wrecked by Kal.
If Stars and SKT both end up at 7-4 tied for 4th, is the tiebreaker head to head (Stars win) or game differential (SKT wins)? If multiples teams are tied for 4th, I assume the tiebreaker is game differential? Any game differential breaker hurts Stars, sadly...
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United States13896 Posts
On March 05 2009 14:20 Jaksiel wrote:
Ugh, GGPlay's gonna get wrecked by Kal.
If Stars and SKT both end up at 7-4 tied for 4th, is the tiebreaker head to head (Stars win) or game differential (SKT wins)? If multiples teams are tied for 4th, I assume the tiebreaker is game differential? Any game differential breaker hurts Stars, sadly...
At least in regular season the tiebreaker is #1) Game differential, #2) if GD is tied, then a 1-game playoff match is held for the spot. I don't know the exact rule on tiebreakers though since WL doesn't necessarily go by the overall PL rules.
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MBC's decided that Jaehoon is better than Pusan >.>
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On March 05 2009 14:48 malongo wrote:
good work rainman.
Thanks I try hehe. I pride myself in being the first person on the planet to know PL/WL lineups.
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even before kespa? hmm.. that's good work.
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United States13896 Posts
On March 05 2009 14:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Okay, CJ is almost guaranteed the first seed at this point anyways.
Not quite. Here the scenario breakdown:
CJ Takes #1 Seed outright if ...
... CJ wins.
... OZ loses.
... CJ loses 2-4 and OZ wins 4-3.
... CJ loses 3-4 and OZ wins 4-3 or 4-2.
OZ Takes #1 Seed outright if ...
... CJ loses 0-4 and OZ wins.
... CJ loses 1-4 and OZ wins 4-2, 4-1, or 4-0.
... CJ loses 2-4 and OZ wins 4-1 or 4-0.
... CJ loses 3-4 and OZ wins 4-0.
Tiebreaker needed to determine #1 Seed if ...
... CJ loses 1-4 and OZ wins 4-3.
... CJ loses 2-4 and OZ wins 4-2.
... CJ loses 3-4 and OZ wins 4-1.
So clearly if CJ loses 2-4 or worse then they could be in serious trouble.
Edit: Crap, KTF being in striking distance kind of messes this up even more. Give me a second to go through this again taking them into account.
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Why would they send out Nada on Medusa vs. SKT.
Whyyyy
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United States13896 Posts
Screw it, I don't have the energy to work KTF into the equation when it comes to seeding. All I know is that CJ better not lose 1-4/0-4 because bad things can happen, and if CJ loses 1-4 and OZ wins 4-3 then we're gonna have a three-way clusterfuck to see who gets the number one seed.
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Braavos36375 Posts
lol for fantasy proleague, the #1 guy has Kal and Savior, the #2 guy has Free and Yellow, and STX is playing Woongjin and we might actually see Kal vs Free, which could decide the winner of it because they are only separated by one point.
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Stats are fine, but when you "give" CJ a game advantage for the first spot, they're most likely going to keep it for a week of games, even if they start with Nbs.
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Isn't the first place for WL solely dependent on the CJ/KTF game? In the case that KTF wins, they'll hold the head-to-head tiebreaker over both CJ and Oz. Oz doesn't have a chance unless ties are broken by points and not by head-to-head: their three losses have been to CJ, KTF, and SKT1.
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On March 05 2009 15:18 EvoChamber wrote:
Isn't the first place for WL solely dependent on the CJ/KTF game? In the case that KTF wins, they'll hold the head-to-head tiebreaker over both CJ and Oz. Oz doesn't have a chance unless ties are broken by points and not by head-to-head: their three losses have been to CJ, KTF, and SKT1.
Which is great for Oz since ties are broken by game differential. It really depends on how fast KTF sends out Flash and how well he does.
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what are you nerds talking about
nbs gonna all kill ez
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I wanna see free vs july and hero.
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CJ vs. KTF will be interesting, hoping Luxury takes 2-3 games and then having Flash clean up. If Luxury fails.... o god.
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CA10828 Posts
hey guys it's not an epic nada vs bisu matchup...
it's nada vs medusa
T_T
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Oh fuck. Bisu vs Nada on Medusa. Couldn't get much worse for Nada T.T
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this is unbelievable why KTF send luxury when he play both starleague? they want methodicly overload their best players? :/
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United States20661 Posts
I want a Reach allkill at least once 
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On March 05 2009 13:46 RainmanMP wrote:
Bisu will trounce Nada unfortunately, the only Terran on the planet who can beat Bisu there is Flash.
well his last T loss was to iris...
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On March 05 2009 16:39 Rice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2009 13:46 RainmanMP wrote:
Bisu will trounce Nada unfortunately, the only Terran on the planet who can beat Bisu there is Flash. well his last T loss was to iris...
He meant Medusa, where the only Terran Bisu has lost to is Flash. Also looks like the only Protoss that can beat Flash on Medusa is Bisu haha.
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Will Hiya allkill MBC that's the question
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Reach vs. Tazza?
Reach has been playing some very young players lately...
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protoss much? lol every match has at least 1 P starting
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Wait what teams still have a shot at the playoffs?
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United States12607 Posts
On March 06 2009 06:42 Darkblade2519 wrote:
BISU MEDUSA WIN!!!!!!!!!
Not so fast...NaDa on this map makes me think he has some sort of tricky build up his sleeve 
Should be an exciting game!
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On March 05 2009 16:45 Lockon Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2009 16:39 Rice wrote:On March 05 2009 13:46 RainmanMP wrote:
Bisu will trounce Nada unfortunately, the only Terran on the planet who can beat Bisu there is Flash. well his last T loss was to iris... He meant Medusa, where the only Terran Bisu has lost to is Flash. Also looks like the only Protoss that can beat Flash on Medusa is Bisu haha.
Ya.
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On March 06 2009 06:45 JWD wrote:Not so fast...NaDa on this map makes me think he has some sort of tricky build up his sleeve Should be an exciting game!
Well Flash already pulled the behind the base proxy last OSL so I dunno.
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Hiya will all-kill.
On March 06 2009 03:14 amorpheus wrote:
Will Hiya allkill MBC that's the question
if he gets past Jaehoon, I'd give him about an 80% chance
all of the maps afterward are T favored
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This is the last week right ? In my opinion the winners league has been a huge success that should seriously be considered as the permanent style.
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Hiya probably wont beat Light, if Sea decided to "show up", he wont win him either. And strangely Jaehoon has actually won atleast 1 match his last 2 outings.
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Will be interesting if UpMagic can beat a Khan toss on Medusa thats not Stork or Jangbi.
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KTF knows they're within striking distance, which means they shouldn't just be trying to win, but rather should be trying to win ASAP. KTF coaches may be retarded but they should be able to do simple math. If Luxury gets beat, they should send out Flash. They should be aiming for 4-0 or 4-1 here.
CJ should be smart and realize this as well, which means we'll see some Lux/Flash sniper preparation, possibly even in the early rounds (if they expect Flash to go second like I do).
CJ vs KTF is going to be reaaaaaaally interesting.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Is this the last week of the Winners League only or of the whole ShinHan Bank ProLeague?
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How does the WL playoff relate to the bigger picture? Is it just like a separate league altogether, or does it give an advantage when the Proleague playoffs come around.
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United States13896 Posts
On March 06 2009 08:09 3 Lions wrote:
Is this the last week of the Winners League only or of the whole ShinHan Bank ProLeague?
It's just the last week of the Winners League, there's two whole round of the overall ProLeague season left.
On March 06 2009 08:21 SimonB wrote:
How does the WL playoff relate to the bigger picture? Is it just like a separate league altogether, or does it give an advantage when the Proleague playoffs come around.
The Winners League playoffs mean nothing in relation to the rest of the ProLeague season. Games are not counted into team game differentials, they aren't added to overall season stats, and winning the WL playoffs gives no advantages later on in the PL season.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On March 06 2009 08:09 3 Lions wrote:
Is this the last week of the Winners League only or of the whole ShinHan Bank ProLeague?
WL is the third out of five rounds for the PL 08-09 season.
On March 06 2009 08:21 SimonB wrote:
How does the WL playoff relate to the bigger picture? Is it just like a separate league altogether, or does it give an advantage when the Proleague playoffs come around.
WL playoffs should only be relevant to WL. The wins/losses and game differential of the regular non-playoff WL games will count towards the ranking at the end of the PL season though.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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On March 06 2009 06:41 Ideas wrote:
Wait what teams still have a shot at the playoffs?
CJ 8-2
KTF 7-3
Oz 7-3
Stars 7-3
SKT 6-4
Top 4 make it.
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SKT doing the right thing and sending out their best players against a sub par WeMade team, SKT needs to win to have any hope of playoffs.
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It would be so horribly disappointing if Hiya goes from beating Jangbi and Stork to losing to Jaehoon of all people.
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On March 06 2009 08:37 Jaksiel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 06:41 Ideas wrote:
Wait what teams still have a shot at the playoffs? CJ 8-2 KTF 7-3 Oz 7-3 Stars 7-3 SKT 6-4 Top 4 make it.
FUCK STX!
Lose 3 matches 3-4 and now I dont get to see you guys play in the playoffs
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Who the fuck is Nbs?
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
On March 06 2009 12:07 eatmyshorts5 wrote:Who the fuck is Nbs?
The ownage 2v2er from CJ. Have faith in the Nbs.
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United States3241 Posts
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Baa?21243 Posts
Nbs also sucked it up in PGL compared to the other Koreans who went =O
Reach All-Kill would make me happy. YellOw playing and winning would make me happier. YellOw All-Kill will make me jizz my pants.
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On March 06 2009 13:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Nbs also sucked it up in PGL compared to the other Koreans who went =O
Reach All-Kill would make me happy. YellOw playing and winning would make me happier. YellOw All-Kill will make me jizz my pants.
Nbs didnt play much though, HERO VULTURE RAPED ALL ALMOST
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United States10328 Posts
nbs is in [gm] so he's obviously good ;P
maybe he's been performing well in practice?
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United States13896 Posts
His practice performance probably had little to no bearing on him playing this week. Quite simply CJ is guaranteed a playoff spot, and Coach Cho is willing to play a veteran who never sees the light of day anymore at the cost of dropping down a seed.
Round 5 of Proleague is going to be interesting for this same reason because some teams may be locked into a playoff seed/eliminated long before the end of the season. The last few weeks may be filled with old veterans who we never thought would play a match again or total neophites who are just in to get some experience.
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On March 06 2009 12:19 JIJIyO wrote:The ownage 2v2er from CJ. Have faith in the Nbs.
capable of winning a 1v2. capable of losing a 2v1
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On March 06 2009 13:49 p4NDemik wrote:
His practice performance probably had little to no bearing on him playing this week. Quite simply CJ is guaranteed a playoff spot, and Coach Cho is willing to play a veteran who never sees the light of day anymore at the cost of dropping down a seed.
Round 5 of Proleague is going to be interesting for this same reason because some teams may be locked into a playoff seed/eliminated long before the end of the season. The last few weeks may be filled with old veterans who we never thought would play a match again or total neophites who are just in to get some experience.
Well I think its safe to say that Ace is done.
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To begin, a win puts CJ in the finals outright.
2 individual games won puts CJ ahead of KTF.
A loss less than 4:3 and an OZ win better than 4:3 puts OZ ahead of CJ, a loss and an OZ loss puts CJ ahead of OZ.
CJ is ahead of Woongjin no matter what.
CJ is ahead of SKTT1 no matter what.
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Poor  NaDa vs. Map imbalance
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On March 06 2009 15:51 nataziel wrote:Poor NaDa vs. Map imbalance
+ Show Spoiler +Nada gave JangBi one hell of a fight, this game's been thrown wide open imho. + Show Spoiler +Or not. I just double checked the map stats
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Who can tell me ???? When SPL will end ? I think round 4 and round 5 will take 2-3 month.
What is WL playoff ?
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Now now, don't bash Nbs like that. He was a pretty solid 2v2 player, but I don't know how he's going to handle 1v1. Especially vs Luxury.
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rofl nbs hijacked this thread
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United States13896 Posts
On March 06 2009 20:41 monstar123 wrote:
Who can tell me ???? When SPL will end ? I think round 4 and round 5 will take 2-3 month.
What is WL playoff ?
Each Round = 7 weeks. That's 14 more weeks to play when the WL playoffs conclude. This would mean the PL regular season would conclude in early July, barring any break periods (I'd be willing to bet there may be a week off after the Starleagues finish and WL playoffs finish though). Anyways, after that you would have four more weeks for the actual PL playoffs, putting the end of the '08-'09 PL season in early August.
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