High ground advantage - Page 3

On February 12 2009 12:06 Ellis wrote:
The sad thing is that I can see some Korean site having this investigation years ago.

;_; Foreign scene compared to Korea

On February 12 2009 10:36 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Nice work jtan. I always spouted the 70% hit statistic as gospel without ever checking to back it up.

Possible reasons which would fit within or near the margin of error:
- Double counting (70% hit rate counted twice or 49%, or possibly the reverse of 51%)
- Double counting out of 256 (179/256 = 70%, 179/256 * 179/256 = 48.9%, or possibly 51.1%, everything else in the game is /256 so this may be no different)
- 70/128 instead of 70/100 (54.6%, or if out of /256 it could be double counting additively)

More uncommon possibilities:
- 100-30/70 (57.2%)
- 70/130 (70/(100+100-70) = 53.8%, close result, but the reason for the numbers makes no functional sense)
- 69/130 (53.0%, this factors in a possible 1% chance a ranged shot will miss as we sometimes observe, but instead of 1/100 it is a 1/130 less chance)

I contend that it's probably a bug, but the reason for the bug is unclear since we have no way of viewing the code.

On February 12 2009 12:38 Funnytoss wrote:
I would really like to see this tested with other range units - maybe it's subjective, but I always feel that Tanks do not suffer all that much when firing uphill when compared to Dragoons - at least, it always feels nearly impossible to assault a Terran sieged on high ground.

On February 12 2009 12:38 Funnytoss wrote:
I would really like to see this tested with other range units - maybe it's subjective, but I always feel that Tanks do not suffer all that much when firing uphill when compared to Dragoons - at least, it always feels nearly impossible to assault a Terran sieged on high ground.

On February 12 2009 20:47 Racenilatr wrote:
50% does seem more accurate. What about when like a zealot attacks another zealot? is that 50^% too?

On February 12 2009 10:12 minus_human wrote:
That happens because the ramp is created by manually copy-pasting little patches of tileset to make it
a)walkable and
b) visually appealing

In the process, mappers use patches from high ground and/or low ground, whichever looks best. The only thing they try to respect is to make it as large as a normal ramp, and often a ramp like this is made out of patches of ground that would normally be 'low ground', so it doesn't give a high ground advantage.

On February 12 2009 23:30 IntoTheWow wrote:


I believe this is the same reason why when you block one of these ramps with a marine, scv, probe, etc sometimes you lose complete vision around it. It's like your unit is on a low ground patch surrounded by high ground patches, so it can't see anything.

On February 12 2009 23:23 errol1001 wrote:
Burrowed units don't take splash damage (it's not a hitbox thing).

That's why swarm + lurker works..

On February 12 2009 23:49 arbiter_md wrote:

Are you sure about the burrowed and splash?
I'm sure I played some UMS where the reaver was killing 2-3 burrowed units with one hit.