High ground advantage - Page 5

mrdx

Vietnam1555 Posts

April 07 2009 11:09 GMT

#81

On April 07 2009 20:02 ghermination wrote:
perhaps when they tested their RNG they came up with a result of about 70%? Who knows, when the hits are completely random like that, you have to do thousands of trials to nail down a good average. This is why they have super computers.

Lol no, they can just run to the next room to ask the game coders.

StrikerX22

United States41 Posts

April 07 2009 20:13 GMT

#82

High Ground:
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SirNukes

18 Posts

April 07 2009 21:19 GMT

#83

I recently came back to Starcraft to play with some people from my Diablo 2 guild (The Amazon Basin) and we had a little confusion about the chance to miss in general, so I set up some tests for it. My results agree with the OP but using Siege-mode Tanks instead of Dragoons: 3819 misses and 4400 hits when attacking a high ground target for a ~53.5% chance to hit. This test used two spider mines separated by one grid square with the tank targeting the far mine, so that a hit would damage the far mine for 1 point and a miss would damage the near mine for 1 point.

Some additional info: for targets without cover, Siege-mode Tanks had a ~0.337% chance to miss (31 misses, 9206 hits), Marines had a ~3.5% chance to miss (384272 hits out of ~398000 shots), all ranged units I looked at had a visible chance to miss attacks (Tank, Marine, Mutalisk, Vulture, Dragoon), and melee units seem to have a random chance to pause between attack animations similar to a miss chance.

mrdx

Vietnam1555 Posts

April 07 2009 23:35 GMT

#84

On April 08 2009 06:19 SirNukes wrote:
Some additional info: for targets without cover, Siege-mode Tanks had a ~0.337% chance to miss (31 misses, 9206 hits), Marines had a ~3.5% chance to miss (384272 hits out of ~398000 shots), all ranged units I looked at had a visible chance to miss attacks (Tank, Marine, Mutalisk, Vulture, Dragoon), and melee units seem to have a random chance to pause between attack animations similar to a miss chance.

This is also an interesting trivia - most units have random pauses when they attack. The reason is if, say a group of marines, attack a building with the same rate (without random pauses), there will be a shooting pattern that make it look and sound really unnatural. I think I read it somewhere that the Blizzard programmers realized that from Warcraft 2, so they decided to add the random pauses in.

SirNukes

18 Posts

April 08 2009 01:52 GMT

#85

On April 08 2009 08:35 mrdx wrote:
This is also an interesting trivia - most units have random pauses when they attack. The reason is if, say a group of marines, attack a building with the same rate (without random pauses), there will be a shooting pattern that make it look and sound really unnatural.

Ya, I noticed this as well. However, rather than random pausing, it seems to be a slight cooldown offset or somesuch that causes units to spread out their attacks. I call it an offset because it did not affect attack rate over time; at the end of one of my siege tank tests with 20 separate tanks I checked how many attacks each one did: 17 tanks had taken 462 shots while 3 had taken 461 shots. However, the melee unit pausing I mentioned did cause attack differences over time: a pack of 20 Ultralisks varied by about 5 attacks out of 100 and 20 Dark Templar varied by about 5 attacks out of 1000.

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