i think coming back from 0-3 to win 4-3

And KESPA should add some wildcard action too. Giving 1 wildcard for whole 7 week and giving teams chance to use player again. Kinda like KTF is behind 0-3 and they used Z P and T player (T was Flash) and they choosed to revive Flash back. Kinda gives payback possibilities

Rice

United States1332 Posts

January 13 2009 13:27 GMT

#103

jaedong is gonna get sniped by FBH im callin it

Heyoka

Katowice25012 Posts

January 13 2009 13:59 GMT

#104

mrmin123 f i g h t i n g

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29 fps

United States5725 Posts

January 13 2009 14:02 GMT

#105

after thinking about it, i have come up with some pros and cons about all-kill

pros:

- progamers can display their raw skill. before, they could practice for a specific matchup on a specific map. now, they can at most prepare for only one or the other. they can prep for a map, but their teammate might win, so then the teammate stays. they can prep for a player, but that's only as a snipe. (good for team ACE?)
- more interesting matches, since teams will send their better players and we wont have to watch two crappy players fight.

cons:
- up and coming players have less chance to prove themselves.
- less playtime for team members
- maybe fewer map-specific strategies and mindgames (if the players have a history/rivalry with each other)

RamenStyle

United States1929 Posts

January 13 2009 14:37 GMT

#106

One important thing is going to be stamina. Imagine Flash wins a 40 min chess TvT vs Fantasy, then faces BeSt in an exhausting macro war that goes on for 45 min. Then when he has to face BiSu, he is going to be pretty tired.

HanN00b

Germany1441 Posts

January 13 2009 14:41 GMT

#107

The format is interesting the timezone sux.

7itachi7

15 Posts

January 13 2009 15:12 GMT

#108

will there be a playoffs for the proleage round that just ended? if so how many teams advanced?

aLmOst

United States13 Posts

January 13 2009 15:55 GMT

#109

whoa all kill, can't wait.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

January 13 2009 16:30 GMT

#110

No-ones mentioned that this significantly weakens players who are not balanced in their MUs.

Firebathero, for instance, is much weaker in this format since even if he wins his game, he's going to get a Protoss next.
Same goes for Kal.

Jaedong is going to excel in this format. As soon as the opposition play a Zerg he can come out and kill them, plus he's not weak in other MUs.
Flash should also be very strong.

orangeshines

United Kingdom204 Posts

January 13 2009 16:33 GMT

#111

I dont get it.. how can a new progleague start when the ''old'' one hasnt ended yet??
Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 is still not finished

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

January 13 2009 16:36 GMT

#112

On January 14 2009 01:33 orangeshines wrote:
I dont get it.. how can a new progleague start when the ''old'' one hasnt ended yet??
Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 is still not finished

Edit: I misread the article.

Fzero

United States1503 Posts

January 13 2009 18:48 GMT

#113

Maybe I missed that point somewhere. You say Winner's League WILL count towards Proleague standings? Maybe I am mistaken but I thought GTR said it would NOT count and Proleague would resume after.

Dealer

Sweden1368 Posts

January 13 2009 20:53 GMT

#114

On January 13 2009 21:57 IntoTheWow wrote:

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It matters cause BeSt can rip through Samsung's line up for example. The more players you have the more option you have to snipe someones weakness.

great is more of a favorite against Best then any SKT1 would be against Stork. Judging from our last starleague Stork all-killing SKT is more likely tho i very much doubt any team will be sweeping either SKT1 nor Khan.

I think Samsung will be the team to beat here, they've got such power against Z/T in FBH/Stork that only very protoss-heavy teams should be a threat and its not like Jangbi or Stork are weak in that area either.
Julyzerg, Jaedong and perhaps some other top zerg have decent chances of 4-0ing SKT on a good day. I would even go so far that Jaedong is likely to do it given the effort he seems to put into the game atm.

disciple

9071 Posts

January 13 2009 21:24 GMT

#115

Imo all-kill format is completely meaningless. The PL standing show that the current old school format is doing great job with team balance. Besides KHAN and OZ all other teams are pretty close in their performance. The new all-kill will screw it up... I fear

semioldguy

United States7488 Posts

January 14 2009 00:14 GMT

#116

On January 13 2009 07:51 Carnac wrote:

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Well, can people still change submitted teams before the deadline? Because if not and you decide to not enforce all races anymore (now that we know it won't be enforced in PL for the all-kill round), it would be unfair to those who already submitted their teams.

Edit: found the answer to the first question in another post of yours, so what is left to answer is whether you still want to enforce all-race-teams or not.

Yes each team will still need a player from each race. Fantasy is like making your own mock team... like what it would be like if you were a team manager for a proteam of Starcraft players. Not having a Protoss player in your lineup would be like not having a Point Guard on a basketball team or no Quarterback on you football team.

You can build your team to be stronger in one race or weak in one race, actual proteams are like that, but all teams have players from all races.

FMGustave

United States81 Posts

January 14 2009 01:36 GMT

#117

I'm really excited for this new format. I think this might curb off all the map specific races and mirror matches that I've noticed start to come up in Proleague. Either way it'll definitely be exciting to have the possibility of seeing top players go more than once. Maybe even a couple of 4-0's =)

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

January 14 2009 01:40 GMT

#118

On January 14 2009 00:12 7itachi7 wrote:
will there be a playoffs for the proleage round that just ended? if so how many teams advanced?

There will be some sort of "special playoff/final" for the all-kill round, but the real playoffs/finals will be after the end of round 5. All matches of all rounds will count for the ranking leading into those playoffs, including the all-kill round. At least that's what I've gathered.

Seraphim

United States4467 Posts

January 14 2009 03:24 GMT

#119

YES!!! ALL-KILL FORMAT WINS!!

mog87

United States1586 Posts

January 14 2009 03:52 GMT

#120

Having a weak matchup can be a used intelligently to lure out a player you want to get rid of on the opposing team as a priority. I.e Use fbh to lure out free or something.

edit: Poor casy...