• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:15
CEST 05:15
KST 12:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League36Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1375.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Stellar Fest 2 Replay Pack Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
SOOP Announces New Women's Monthly Tournament BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9522 users

Winners League - The 'all-kill' Proleague - Page 6

Forum Index > BW General
148 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 13 2009 13:16 GMT
#101
whats reverse all-kill?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 13:30:37
January 13 2009 13:26 GMT
#102
On January 13 2009 22:16 29 fps wrote:
whats reverse all-kill?


i think coming back from 0-3 to win 4-3

And KESPA should add some wildcard action too. Giving 1 wildcard for whole 7 week and giving teams chance to use player again. Kinda like KTF is behind 0-3 and they used Z P and T player (T was Flash) and they choosed to revive Flash back. Kinda gives payback possibilities
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
January 13 2009 13:27 GMT
#103
jaedong is gonna get sniped by FBH im callin it
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 13 2009 13:59 GMT
#104
mrmin123 f i g h t i n g

(¯o¯ )
( ¬_¬)
s(-_- )z
s( -_-)z
Q(-_-Q)
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 13 2009 14:02 GMT
#105
after thinking about it, i have come up with some pros and cons about all-kill

pros:

- progamers can display their raw skill. before, they could practice for a specific matchup on a specific map. now, they can at most prepare for only one or the other. they can prep for a map, but their teammate might win, so then the teammate stays. they can prep for a player, but that's only as a snipe. (good for team ACE?)
- more interesting matches, since teams will send their better players and we wont have to watch two crappy players fight.

cons:
- up and coming players have less chance to prove themselves.
- less playtime for team members
- maybe fewer map-specific strategies and mindgames (if the players have a history/rivalry with each other)
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
January 13 2009 14:37 GMT
#106
One important thing is going to be stamina. Imagine Flash wins a 40 min chess TvT vs Fantasy, then faces BeSt in an exhausting macro war that goes on for 45 min. Then when he has to face BiSu, he is going to be pretty tired.
HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
January 13 2009 14:41 GMT
#107
The format is interesting the timezone sux.
Team name: Borussia Dortmunds Star(craft) Team (10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P)JangBi (2) (T)Bogus (2) (Z)sAviOr (2) (P)BackHo (0) (Z)YellOw (7) Lecaf Oz
7itachi7
Profile Joined June 2007
15 Posts
January 13 2009 15:12 GMT
#108
will there be a playoffs for the proleage round that just ended? if so how many teams advanced?
aLmOst
Profile Joined January 2009
United States13 Posts
January 13 2009 15:55 GMT
#109
whoa all kill, can't wait.
trying to get my d wet
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 13 2009 16:30 GMT
#110
No-ones mentioned that this significantly weakens players who are not balanced in their MUs.

Firebathero, for instance, is much weaker in this format since even if he wins his game, he's going to get a Protoss next.
Same goes for Kal.

Jaedong is going to excel in this format. As soon as the opposition play a Zerg he can come out and kill them, plus he's not weak in other MUs.
Flash should also be very strong.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
orangeshines
Profile Joined September 2008
United Kingdom204 Posts
January 13 2009 16:33 GMT
#111
I dont get it.. how can a new progleague start when the ''old'' one hasnt ended yet??
Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 is still not finished
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 18:52:30
January 13 2009 16:36 GMT
#112
On January 14 2009 01:33 orangeshines wrote:
I dont get it.. how can a new progleague start when the ''old'' one hasnt ended yet??
Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 is still not finished

Edit: I misread the article.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
January 13 2009 18:48 GMT
#113
Maybe I missed that point somewhere. You say Winner's League WILL count towards Proleague standings? Maybe I am mistaken but I thought GTR said it would NOT count and Proleague would resume after.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
January 13 2009 20:53 GMT
#114
On January 13 2009 21:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2009 18:48 baubo wrote:
On January 13 2009 13:56 mog87 wrote:
On January 13 2009 12:02 Jyvblamo wrote:
On January 13 2009 12:00 mog87 wrote:
cj is the deepest team in the league.

Savior, Effort, Iris,Xellos (lol? hes still there for like a month or so right?) Skyhigh, Movie, Much.

they also have up and comers and soso players like azang, memory, and darkelf.

Xellos is gone.

And no, Khan, MBC, SKT, Oz all have deeper line-ups than CJ (Azang and memory? They've never been good in PL).

Stork-Jangbi-FBH-Frozean-Great
Best-Bisu-Fantasy-Canata-Midas-Thezerg
Pusan-Sea-Light-Saint-Ruby
Jaedong-Forgg-Lomo-Backho-Hiya-Young


Oh yea MBC is up there definetely.

KHan...lol no they have the 3 big guns and the rest are mehhhhh..

SKT...SKT1 would have like 5 monsters if they actually played well. Current Midas is almost laughable considering how good he was just last season. Canata has the same problem. Fantasy is good...but a bit overrated and still a little green. Best..is vulnerable to a good zerg.

Oz... has Jaedong and forgg(where has he been?), backho...is weird and sucks balls vs zerg, who knows what he will bring. Lomo hasnt been doing anything lately. Hiya is solid but in an average sort of way. Young..has barely done anything.


CJ is definitely deeper than KHAN and Oz, but with people like Jaedong, Forgg Stork, and Jangbi they can all kill teams potentially, but my statement was that CJ had the deepest roster, which I believe is rivaled/surpassed only by MBC hero and an SKT1 with alot of its players back in form namely iloveoov, boxer, midas, and canata.


Your idea of "depth" is pointless. Because when you only need 4 wins, you'll never send more than 4 players.

For example, Khan's "big 4" are 49-24(67%). Who cares if the rest of their players are all worse than CJ's(if that is indeed the case)?


It matters cause BeSt can rip through Samsung's line up for example. The more players you have the more option you have to snipe someones weakness.


great is more of a favorite against Best then any SKT1 would be against Stork. Judging from our last starleague Stork all-killing SKT is more likely tho i very much doubt any team will be sweeping either SKT1 nor Khan.

I think Samsung will be the team to beat here, they've got such power against Z/T in FBH/Stork that only very protoss-heavy teams should be a threat and its not like Jangbi or Stork are weak in that area either.
Julyzerg, Jaedong and perhaps some other top zerg have decent chances of 4-0ing SKT on a good day. I would even go so far that Jaedong is likely to do it given the effort he seems to put into the game atm.
h e l l o e
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 21:25:18
January 13 2009 21:24 GMT
#115
Imo all-kill format is completely meaningless. The PL standing show that the current old school format is doing great job with team balance. Besides KHAN and OZ all other teams are pretty close in their performance. The new all-kill will screw it up... I fear
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
January 14 2009 00:14 GMT
#116
On January 13 2009 07:51 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2009 07:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 13 2009 05:16 Athos wrote:
On January 13 2009 05:08 Hot_Bid wrote:
is there a race rule?

If there isn't wouldn't you have to reset fantasy proleague?

why would we have to reset it, the signups are still open

Well, can people still change submitted teams before the deadline? Because if not and you decide to not enforce all races anymore (now that we know it won't be enforced in PL for the all-kill round), it would be unfair to those who already submitted their teams.

Edit: found the answer to the first question in another post of yours, so what is left to answer is whether you still want to enforce all-race-teams or not.

Yes each team will still need a player from each race. Fantasy is like making your own mock team... like what it would be like if you were a team manager for a proteam of Starcraft players. Not having a Protoss player in your lineup would be like not having a Point Guard on a basketball team or no Quarterback on you football team.

You can build your team to be stronger in one race or weak in one race, actual proteams are like that, but all teams have players from all races.
Moderator
FMGustave
Profile Joined February 2008
United States81 Posts
January 14 2009 01:36 GMT
#117
I'm really excited for this new format. I think this might curb off all the map specific races and mirror matches that I've noticed start to come up in Proleague. Either way it'll definitely be exciting to have the possibility of seeing top players go more than once. Maybe even a couple of 4-0's =)
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 14 2009 01:40 GMT
#118
On January 14 2009 00:12 7itachi7 wrote:
will there be a playoffs for the proleage round that just ended? if so how many teams advanced?

There will be some sort of "special playoff/final" for the all-kill round, but the real playoffs/finals will be after the end of round 5. All matches of all rounds will count for the ranking leading into those playoffs, including the all-kill round. At least that's what I've gathered.
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 14 2009 03:24 GMT
#119
YES!!! ALL-KILL FORMAT WINS!!
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 03:52:24
January 14 2009 03:52 GMT
#120
Having a weak matchup can be a used intelligently to lure out a player you want to get rid of on the opposing team as a priority. I.e Use fbh to lure out free or something.

edit: Poor casy...
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 208
Nina 174
WinterStarcraft159
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3224
Light 191
ProTech121
NaDa 38
sOs 12
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm214
Counter-Strike
summit1g7911
taco 374
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox621
Other Games
shahzam561
JimRising 519
PiGStarcraft380
C9.Mang0355
Livibee171
Maynarde109
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick810
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta22
• Mapu3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1399
• Lourlo692
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
7h 45m
PiGosaur Cup
20h 45m
The PondCast
1d 6h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 7h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
FEL
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.