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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-08 22:24:17
December 08 2008 22:22 GMT
#1101
On December 09 2008 06:29 Salv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2008 05:31 Kennigit wrote:
Attention sc2gg, iccup, gosugamers......when you do a countdown (sc2gg countdown, new icc, carrier) you are going ALL IN. That means, if you fuck it up you fail and deserve the wraith you receive. It's just part of the game - getting people hyped up for a week TSL style and then flopping is unacceptable. I can appreciate that its hard and that sometimes not everything goes to plan but if you can't handle the heat of your own week long count down and then deliver.....very very disappointing.


I don't agree with this at all. In SC2GG's case, the project was ready to go and at the very last moment; something came up and it threw everything off. I don't remember if it was Chill or Plexa, but in the TL vs YG English cast, one of them said something along the lines of:

My suggestion to SC2GG & iCCup would be to finish the project entirely, then create the hype, then release the product; it's apparent you guys cannot handle time lines.

If SC2GG or iCCup had something they made for their community and it was 100% done, why would either site create a countdown or start hype threads then? Why not just release the project and let people use it? IMO, the entire point of hyping something up is to let people know something big is in the works and that it will be coming soon.

TeamLiquid has had cases of failing to start their broadcasts on time and having to delay many times. If someone is doing something for free and circumstances out of their control result in their project having to be delayed, no one deserves any shit at all. For you to say, "If you can't handle the heat.." is fucking retarded. Unk already posted that something happened with optic cables. There is nothing he could have done. I think before you start to point your finger in the direction of other sites, you should look at this whole fucking thread and realize that there hasn't been anything on any rival site that compares to the ignorance that has piled up here.


People are smart and understanding when you are straight up with them. When you change your front page and create glorious amounts of hype and then it just disappears without any real explanation there's a serious issue. The sc2gg zealot thing just disappeared, whether it was explained deep in the forum or on irc, no one really knew what happened. This is the same case....putting it over as "we never said which monday" is a total joke. There is little relevant comparison between weeks of planned hype to a 30 minute broadcast delay and days of delay with no explanation.

The zealot thing is one thing and i appreciate that theres problem issues which is why sc2gg was smart and didn't set a date on it. When you set a PUBLIC deadline for yourself its one you should be able to meet if you are promoting it to the levels that this launch has been.
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-08 22:31:06
December 08 2008 22:28 GMT
#1102
On December 09 2008 07:17 Samsung-Lzuruha wrote:
I agree.


Did some fast research, You need to install this program PvPGN

+ Show Spoiler +
What is PvPGN?

PvPGN (Player vs Player Gaming Network) is a bnetd based gaming network server emulation project. It currently supports all Battle.net games (such as StarCraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III), and most Westwood Online clients (Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2, Yuri's Revenge). It gives you the power to run your own server, manage your own users, run your own tournaments, etc.

Some common uses of a PvPGN server:

* When wanting to have a small community with local users and small ladders (lots of internet cafes do that)
* For people who want to play on a LAN but with Battle.net-like statistics
* For people who find Battle.net too slow or laggy and want to play on a local server with no lag

It puts you as a "System Administrator" in control. Use a PvPGN server to host your own LAN parties or put the server online and on the internet for everyone. You can run tournaments, have your own local competition ladders. The power is in your hands.


Its about 50kb/s UPLOAD for 30-50 people so that would be 1000Kb/s Upload for a 1000man server.
The server system requirements are pretty low. I dunno how much it would cost a month to run a 1000Kb/s upload, with rather low system requirements.

Besides this the main problem is thats it is a shitload of work too set it up hack free ect ect.
Starcraft 2 - Beta
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 08 2008 22:29 GMT
#1103
Comparing a countdown that disappears to a 30 minute broadcast delay is laughable

That being said I still support iccup; rock that shit out
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Samsung-Lzuruha
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada47 Posts
December 08 2008 22:39 GMT
#1104
On December 09 2008 07:28 Ziph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2008 07:17 Samsung-Lzuruha wrote:
I agree.


Did some fast research, You need to install this program PvPGN

+ Show Spoiler +
What is PvPGN?

PvPGN (Player vs Player Gaming Network) is a bnetd based gaming network server emulation project. It currently supports all Battle.net games (such as StarCraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III), and most Westwood Online clients (Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2, Yuri's Revenge). It gives you the power to run your own server, manage your own users, run your own tournaments, etc.

Some common uses of a PvPGN server:

* When wanting to have a small community with local users and small ladders (lots of internet cafes do that)
* For people who want to play on a LAN but with Battle.net-like statistics
* For people who find Battle.net too slow or laggy and want to play on a local server with no lag

It puts you as a "System Administrator" in control. Use a PvPGN server to host your own LAN parties or put the server online and on the internet for everyone. You can run tournaments, have your own local competition ladders. The power is in your hands.


Its about 50kb/s UPLOAD for 30-50 people so that would be 1000Kb/s Upload for a 1000man server.
The server system requirements are pretty low. I dunno how much it would cost a month to run a 1000Kb/s upload, with rather low system requirements.

Besides this the main problem is thats it is a shitload of work too set it up hack free ect ect.


Thanks! :O I'm sure you'd have to pay a programmer too? :S
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eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
December 08 2008 22:46 GMT
#1105
The easy part is installing the PvPGN, the hard part would be coding a personal launcher, antihack and whatever else was needed. Combine that with coding a massive webpage that updates with the server, and has a huge database, along with hiring tons of admins for free , and all that other stuff, and wow it becomes a huge undertaking!
Jaskwith
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States197 Posts
December 08 2008 22:46 GMT
#1106
hmm changbed to access forbidden
sMi.jaSK
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
December 08 2008 22:47 GMT
#1107
oooh
+ Show Spoiler +
Access forbidden!

You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected.

If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
Error 403
www.iccup.com
Tue Dec 9 01:46:32 2008
Apache

somthings happening
I feel like pwning noobs
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
December 08 2008 22:47 GMT
#1108
On December 09 2008 07:09 Chill wrote:

Are you seriously comparing a 30 minute delay to cancelling a project?

People don't like to be baited, even if it's free. If there's a countdown, there's some respsonsibility to be on time with it. I think 30 minutes is long enough that we deserve some shit for always doing it, despite try out best, but it's certainly not on the same order of magnitude as this.

People aren't giving him shit for the optical cables, they're (justifiably) giving him shit for saying "we never said THIS monday."


No, I'm not comparing thirty minute delays to a cancelled project; because the project isn't cancelled. Am I comparing two delays? Yes.

It's not a matter of whether people have the right to be miffed or angry that it wasn't up. I was angry that the site wasn't up this morning as well. I didn't make a post saying how angry I was and how the iCCup admins suck and such, because that would be ignorant and unwarranted.

Your last point about people giving him shit over his statement about, 'THIS monday' is irrelevant. When I spoke about how it isn't right to complain, I was replying to when Kennigit said:

On December 09 2008 05:31 Kennigit wrote:
Attention sc2gg, iccup, gosugamers......when you do a countdown (sc2gg countdown, new icc, carrier) you are going ALL IN. That means, if you fuck it up you fail and deserve the wraith you receive.


He doesn't mention anything about Unk's quote; he is simply saying if a plan fucks up and you can't launch it at the end of your countdown; you deserve all the shit you get and I think that's wrong.

On December 09 2008 07:20 Hot_Bid wrote:

Refer to my earlier post, this situation should've been handled with a "we have optical cable trouble outside of our control at our server location, sorry for the inconvenience we will update you as soon as we can get the site up and running" instead of jokes, hidden information, and arguing with complainers.


Yes, I agree with this completely, but this has nothing to do with Kennigit's post. Kennigit wasn't saying that iCCup shouldn't be surprised it got shit for not being more professional; his post was saying that if you hype something or do a countdown and it has to be delayed for whatever reason, people are warranted to give you shit about it. Like I said in response to Chill, I don't agree with that at all. Things happen that are out of peoples control; hence my point about the optic cables. Kennigit's post would imply that Unk deserves shit for not delivering the site after something totally external prevented him from doing so; regardless or whether he was unprofessional or not.

On December 09 2008 07:22 Kennigit wrote:


People are smart and understanding when you are straight up with them. When you change your front page and create glorious amounts of hype and then it just disappears without any real explanation there's a serious issue. The sc2gg zealot thing just disappeared, whether it was explained deep in the forum or on irc, no one really knew what happened. This is the same case....putting it over as "we never said which monday" is a total joke. There is little relevant comparison between weeks of planned hype to a 30 minute broadcast delay and days of delay with no explanation.

The zealot thing is one thing and i appreciate that theres problem issues which is why sc2gg was smart and didn't set a date on it. When you set a PUBLIC deadline for yourself its one you should be able to meet if you are promoting it to the levels that this launch has been.


The front page issue at SC2GG was explained to the staff and to anyone else who inquired about it. Most people just curiously wondered what it was all about and then forgot about it. It was unfortunate what happened.

Once again though, your bringing up things Unk said later and using that as a basis for your argument that iCCup deserves the shit they are now getting. In your original post, you just said that if you hype something or do a countdown and it fucks up (Which could be for total external factors or a situation out of your control; optic cables, anyone?) then you will get shit and deservedly so. I don't agree with that at all and that's what my entire post was about.

Just to clear this up, if your post had said you think it was unprofessional the way this was handled and that it's no wonder why people are angry; then I would agree with you, but that wasn't your original point, now was it?
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
December 08 2008 22:47 GMT
#1109
iCCup homepage completly down so i guess they are adding the new layout and features ! keep the good work up!
Officially the founder of Team Property (:
Samsung-Lzuruha
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada47 Posts
December 08 2008 22:48 GMT
#1110
Could mean that they're about to switch over, or that they changed the CMOS on the site. Hmm.
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rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
December 08 2008 22:55 GMT
#1111
!!! somethings up
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
December 08 2008 22:55 GMT
#1112
its all russian, cant read it =[
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
December 08 2008 22:55 GMT
#1113
It's up, but I'm having troubles finding all the new features that they must have been hyping.;;;
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
Dewis
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Finland344 Posts
December 08 2008 22:55 GMT
#1114
There is a new site up?!
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
December 08 2008 22:56 GMT
#1115
omg, ICCUP i Love you guys.,,,
thnx soo much for all your hard work!!!!
I feel like pwning noobs
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
December 08 2008 22:56 GMT
#1116
OMG NEW SITE !!!
www.memoryexpress.com
z]Benny
Profile Joined April 2006
Romania253 Posts
December 08 2008 22:58 GMT
#1117
Oh, by the way, ICCUP SERVER UP AS WELLL!!!!!!!!!!
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
December 08 2008 22:58 GMT
#1118
sites up and server is up
Shadowfury333
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada314 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-08 23:01:21
December 08 2008 22:59 GMT
#1119
Site's up, but after trying to log in, I'm just getting Redirect loop errors. They're probably still tweaking it.
Darkness called...but I was on the phone, so I missed him. I tried to *69 darkness, but his machine picked up. I yelled "Pick up the phone, Darkness", but he ignored me. Darkness must have been screening his calls.
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
December 08 2008 23:00 GMT
#1120
i just see white light! wierd is the site up in that case i cant see it
Officially the founder of Team Property (:
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