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Kennigit
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On December 09 2008 06:29 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2008 05:31 Kennigit wrote:
Attention sc2gg, iccup, gosugamers......when you do a countdown (sc2gg countdown, new icc, carrier) you are going ALL IN. That means, if you fuck it up you fail and deserve the wraith you receive. It's just part of the game - getting people hyped up for a week TSL style and then flopping is unacceptable. I can appreciate that its hard and that sometimes not everything goes to plan but if you can't handle the heat of your own week long count down and then deliver.....very very disappointing. I don't agree with this at all. In SC2GG's case, the project was ready to go and at the very last moment; something came up and it threw everything off. I don't remember if it was Chill or Plexa, but in the TL vs YG English cast, one of them said something along the lines of: My suggestion to SC2GG & iCCup would be to finish the project entirely, then create the hype, then release the product; it's apparent you guys cannot handle time lines. If SC2GG or iCCup had something they made for their community and it was 100% done, why would either site create a countdown or start hype threads then? Why not just release the project and let people use it? IMO, the entire point of hyping something up is to let people know something big is in the works and that it will be coming soon. TeamLiquid has had cases of failing to start their broadcasts on time and having to delay many times. If someone is doing something for free and circumstances out of their control result in their project having to be delayed, no one deserves any shit at all. For you to say, "If you can't handle the heat.." is fucking retarded. Unk already posted that something happened with optic cables. There is nothing he could have done. I think before you start to point your finger in the direction of other sites, you should look at this whole fucking thread and realize that there hasn't been anything on any rival site that compares to the ignorance that has piled up here.
People are smart and understanding when you are straight up with them. When you change your front page and create glorious amounts of hype and then it just disappears without any real explanation there's a serious issue. The sc2gg zealot thing just disappeared, whether it was explained deep in the forum or on irc, no one really knew what happened. This is the same case....putting it over as "we never said which monday" is a total joke. There is little relevant comparison between weeks of planned hype to a 30 minute broadcast delay and days of delay with no explanation.
The zealot thing is one thing and i appreciate that theres problem issues which is why sc2gg was smart and didn't set a date on it. When you set a PUBLIC deadline for yourself its one you should be able to meet if you are promoting it to the levels that this launch has been.
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On December 09 2008 07:17 Samsung-Lzuruha wrote:I agree. 
Did some fast research, You need to install this program PvPGN
+ Show Spoiler +What is PvPGN?
PvPGN (Player vs Player Gaming Network) is a bnetd based gaming network server emulation project. It currently supports all Battle.net games (such as StarCraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III), and most Westwood Online clients (Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2, Yuri's Revenge). It gives you the power to run your own server, manage your own users, run your own tournaments, etc.
Some common uses of a PvPGN server:
* When wanting to have a small community with local users and small ladders (lots of internet cafes do that)
* For people who want to play on a LAN but with Battle.net-like statistics
* For people who find Battle.net too slow or laggy and want to play on a local server with no lag
It puts you as a "System Administrator" in control. Use a PvPGN server to host your own LAN parties or put the server online and on the internet for everyone. You can run tournaments, have your own local competition ladders. The power is in your hands.
Its about 50kb/s UPLOAD for 30-50 people so that would be 1000Kb/s Upload for a 1000man server.
The server system requirements are pretty low. I dunno how much it would cost a month to run a 1000Kb/s upload, with rather low system requirements.
Besides this the main problem is thats it is a shitload of work too set it up hack free ect ect.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Comparing a countdown that disappears to a 30 minute broadcast delay is laughable
That being said I still support iccup; rock that shit out
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On December 09 2008 07:28 Ziph wrote:Did some fast research, You need to install this program PvPGN + Show Spoiler +What is PvPGN?
PvPGN (Player vs Player Gaming Network) is a bnetd based gaming network server emulation project. It currently supports all Battle.net games (such as StarCraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III), and most Westwood Online clients (Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2, Yuri's Revenge). It gives you the power to run your own server, manage your own users, run your own tournaments, etc.
Some common uses of a PvPGN server:
* When wanting to have a small community with local users and small ladders (lots of internet cafes do that)
* For people who want to play on a LAN but with Battle.net-like statistics
* For people who find Battle.net too slow or laggy and want to play on a local server with no lag
It puts you as a "System Administrator" in control. Use a PvPGN server to host your own LAN parties or put the server online and on the internet for everyone. You can run tournaments, have your own local competition ladders. The power is in your hands. Its about 50kb/s UPLOAD for 30-50 people so that would be 1000Kb/s Upload for a 1000man server. The server system requirements are pretty low. I dunno how much it would cost a month to run a 1000Kb/s upload, with rather low system requirements. Besides this the main problem is thats it is a shitload of work too set it up hack free ect ect.
Thanks! :O I'm sure you'd have to pay a programmer too? :S
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The easy part is installing the PvPGN, the hard part would be coding a personal launcher, antihack and whatever else was needed. Combine that with coding a massive webpage that updates with the server, and has a huge database, along with hiring tons of admins for free , and all that other stuff, and wow it becomes a huge undertaking!
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hmm changbed to access forbidden
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oooh
+ Show Spoiler +Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 403 www.iccup.comTue Dec 9 01:46:32 2008 Apache
somthings happening 
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On December 09 2008 07:09 Chill wrote:
Are you seriously comparing a 30 minute delay to cancelling a project?
People don't like to be baited, even if it's free. If there's a countdown, there's some respsonsibility to be on time with it. I think 30 minutes is long enough that we deserve some shit for always doing it, despite try out best, but it's certainly not on the same order of magnitude as this.
People aren't giving him shit for the optical cables, they're (justifiably) giving him shit for saying "we never said THIS monday."
No, I'm not comparing thirty minute delays to a cancelled project; because the project isn't cancelled. Am I comparing two delays? Yes.
It's not a matter of whether people have the right to be miffed or angry that it wasn't up. I was angry that the site wasn't up this morning as well. I didn't make a post saying how angry I was and how the iCCup admins suck and such, because that would be ignorant and unwarranted.
Your last point about people giving him shit over his statement about, 'THIS monday' is irrelevant. When I spoke about how it isn't right to complain, I was replying to when Kennigit said:
On December 09 2008 05:31 Kennigit wrote:
Attention sc2gg, iccup, gosugamers......when you do a countdown (sc2gg countdown, new icc, carrier) you are going ALL IN. That means, if you fuck it up you fail and deserve the wraith you receive.
He doesn't mention anything about Unk's quote; he is simply saying if a plan fucks up and you can't launch it at the end of your countdown; you deserve all the shit you get and I think that's wrong.
On December 09 2008 07:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
Refer to my earlier post, this situation should've been handled with a "we have optical cable trouble outside of our control at our server location, sorry for the inconvenience we will update you as soon as we can get the site up and running" instead of jokes, hidden information, and arguing with complainers.
Yes, I agree with this completely, but this has nothing to do with Kennigit's post. Kennigit wasn't saying that iCCup shouldn't be surprised it got shit for not being more professional; his post was saying that if you hype something or do a countdown and it has to be delayed for whatever reason, people are warranted to give you shit about it. Like I said in response to Chill, I don't agree with that at all. Things happen that are out of peoples control; hence my point about the optic cables. Kennigit's post would imply that Unk deserves shit for not delivering the site after something totally external prevented him from doing so; regardless or whether he was unprofessional or not.
On December 09 2008 07:22 Kennigit wrote:
People are smart and understanding when you are straight up with them. When you change your front page and create glorious amounts of hype and then it just disappears without any real explanation there's a serious issue. The sc2gg zealot thing just disappeared, whether it was explained deep in the forum or on irc, no one really knew what happened. This is the same case....putting it over as "we never said which monday" is a total joke. There is little relevant comparison between weeks of planned hype to a 30 minute broadcast delay and days of delay with no explanation.
The zealot thing is one thing and i appreciate that theres problem issues which is why sc2gg was smart and didn't set a date on it. When you set a PUBLIC deadline for yourself its one you should be able to meet if you are promoting it to the levels that this launch has been.
The front page issue at SC2GG was explained to the staff and to anyone else who inquired about it. Most people just curiously wondered what it was all about and then forgot about it. It was unfortunate what happened.
Once again though, your bringing up things Unk said later and using that as a basis for your argument that iCCup deserves the shit they are now getting. In your original post, you just said that if you hype something or do a countdown and it fucks up (Which could be for total external factors or a situation out of your control; optic cables, anyone?) then you will get shit and deservedly so. I don't agree with that at all and that's what my entire post was about.
Just to clear this up, if your post had said you think it was unprofessional the way this was handled and that it's no wonder why people are angry; then I would agree with you, but that wasn't your original point, now was it?
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iCCup homepage completly down so i guess they are adding the new layout and features ! keep the good work up!
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Could mean that they're about to switch over, or that they changed the CMOS on the site. Hmm.
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its all russian, cant read it =[
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It's up, but I'm having troubles finding all the new features that they must have been hyping.;;;
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omg, ICCUP i Love you guys.,,,
thnx soo much for all your hard work!!!!
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Oh, by the way, ICCUP SERVER UP AS WELLL!!!!!!!!!!
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sites up and server is up
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Site's up, but after trying to log in, I'm just getting Redirect loop errors. They're probably still tweaking it.
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i just see white light! wierd is the site up in that case i cant see it
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