• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:13
CEST 18:13
KST 01:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202542Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced58
StarCraft 2
General
Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Bitcoin discussion thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 9/11 Anniversary
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 783 users

No more bullshit [No MBS] - Page 9

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 02 2008 19:07 GMT
#161
On November 03 2008 04:05 liger13 wrote:
eVEYTIME you use MBS, a kitten dies


I hope it`s not that kitten that plays protoss :s..oh, and btw, GREAT article !
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 02 2008 19:10 GMT
#162
Someone voted No. Blasphemy.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
November 02 2008 19:12 GMT
#163
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]



Now put stalker blink on "G", and they also can gosu micro with that.
Resistance ain't futile
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
November 02 2008 19:13 GMT
#164
On November 03 2008 03:39 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
What Nony wrote here is in contrast to what Artosis wrote in a somewhat recent thread (about the ability to follow the most solid standard build orders and great mechanics being the most important thing).
Also, progamers often gamble with BOs, that is definitely true, we see some really crazy openings sometimes which rarely make sense, and it's all because they think they can get away with it (because they hope the opponent doesn't think they'd do that particular BO). It's basically a blind guess, although TL users will call this amazing psychological tricks.
TL users might confuse BO gambling with having ingenious strategy (but only if a progamer is doing it).
But really, strategy is incredibly shallow in SC. Tactics, on the other hand, is *theoretically* complex in SC, but in practice it's also quite shallow (but still a lot deeper than strategy) since the high speed forces the players to only do the absolutely most important tasks and ignore a lot of other tasks which *could* give them an advantage *if* they had additional time for them, but since they do not, they are ignored in favor of the more important tasks. Unfortunately though, the most important tasks are rather shallow ("clicky macro" (I like that term) and all related stuff ... all part of mechanics, which the spectators also don't see (another negative aspect)).
And these discussions are always running into a dead end anyway since players will only listen to who is the most skilled player at this very moment. Which is the reason why gameplay discussion on TL is so goddamn awful - players don't use common sense, don't use intelligence, don't use good arguments to discuss gameplay - they just look at how skilled the player who's arguing is at this very moment, not realizing that a lot of gameplay discussion is unrelated to skill (best example: the Blizzard employees, they're all SC noobs, but know a shit ton more about gameplay than any wannabe here from TL)



EXACTLY

Freedom is the most contageous virus known to men.
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
November 02 2008 19:21 GMT
#165
On November 03 2008 04:12 Murlox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]



Now put stalker blink on "G", and they also can gosu micro with that.



hahahaha
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
November 02 2008 19:27 GMT
#166
I used to love intotheWow cuz he is argentinian, now I love him cuz he says with humour what I've been thinking since the day I saw the first presentation of SC2.

17/5
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 02 2008 19:32 GMT
#167
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]

LOL

Nice article, I agree completely, MBS will ruin SC2!!
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
November 02 2008 19:34 GMT
#168
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]


lol what's G for..
Hikou Shinketsushuu
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
November 02 2008 19:35 GMT
#169
On November 03 2008 04:34 ilovehnk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]


lol what's G for..

r you serious ?
Starcraft 2 - Beta
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 19:40:18
November 02 2008 19:38 GMT
#170
@DeadBeef
i don believe u werent baned cause tl staff thinks ur right, when most of the time, even tl staff are complaining about lack of macro in sc2, what u seem to love
but if thats the problem, if u want ur precious sc2 to have zero macromanagement u can stick with it, brood war proscene wont die to a n00b game
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
November 02 2008 19:40 GMT
#171
Good article and good sense of humour
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 02 2008 19:49 GMT
#172
On November 03 2008 04:34 ilovehnk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2008 03:28 IzzyCraft wrote:
Shame you didn't include the protoss concept keyboard for sc2
[image loading]


lol what's G for..

"gg"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
November 02 2008 20:03 GMT
#173
--- Nuked ---
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
November 02 2008 20:22 GMT
#174
rofl pics were awesome ^^
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
November 02 2008 20:31 GMT
#175
awesome article... if they noobify SC2 i will cry.

i know this is a strange example.. but the whole reason I got into Starcraft was because super smash brothers brawl came out. I played super smash brothers melee really competitively and it was (still is) awesome. Brawl basically ruined the series by removing almost every technique that made the game difficult into something that is automatically done for you or just not in the game, and now the tournament scene for the game is stagnating and dying. I hope they don't do the same to SC2...

I just do not understand the logic of making a game easier to play to attract noobs... Giving everyone OOV macro does not really make the game more fun for a noob, all it does is limit the depth of the game as all of the mechanical techniques will be mastered within months of release.

shuriken93
Profile Joined September 2008
United States13 Posts
November 02 2008 20:40 GMT
#176
This thread is amazing
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2008 20:48 GMT
#177
WHO WAS THE ONE GUY WHO VOTED NO
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
November 02 2008 20:50 GMT
#178
who the fuck voted no
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
November 02 2008 20:56 GMT
#179

who the fuck voted no

I think is time to vote
[image loading]

Poll: Who the fuck voted no
(Vote): IntoTheWow himself cuz everybody like paradoxes
(Vote): Some random n00b
(Vote): An offended Blizzard staff member
(Vote): WC8 in a new desperate attempt to ruin TL
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
November 02 2008 20:58 GMT
#180
obviously, some random noob, that think he knows anything about evolution/gameplay/mechanics
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
15:00
Open Qualifier #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .334
Codebar 100
ProTech59
BRAT_OK 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4903
Rain 3683
Bisu 2874
Shuttle 2305
Flash 1854
firebathero 1647
Horang2 1132
Mong 827
Larva 675
Mini 648
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 620
ggaemo 349
Soulkey 309
Hyuk 249
ZerO 228
Snow 185
Soma 163
Barracks 132
hero 128
PianO 101
TY 90
Rush 84
Dewaltoss 74
Movie 58
sSak 58
Sea.KH 53
Killer 46
sorry 46
Aegong 41
Sharp 39
[sc1f]eonzerg 38
sas.Sziky 27
JYJ27
scan(afreeca) 16
Terrorterran 13
IntoTheRainbow 11
SilentControl 7
ivOry 3
Stormgate
TKL 184
Dota 2
Gorgc6781
qojqva3587
Dendi1365
syndereN384
XcaliburYe235
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2165
fl0m466
flusha388
oskar165
markeloff106
kRYSTAL_61
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox73
Other Games
singsing2118
hiko1082
Beastyqt858
Lowko439
crisheroes417
Fuzer 226
XaKoH 160
KnowMe73
Trikslyr60
QueenE51
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 93
• poizon28 48
• davetesta35
• iHatsuTV 19
• Dystopia_ 10
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3140
• WagamamaTV675
• Shiphtur186
League of Legends
• Nemesis5999
• TFBlade1189
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
7h 48m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
18h 48m
Stormgate Nexus
21h 48m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
23h 48m
The PondCast
1d 17h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.